LIST: Countries Caving to Trump’s Tariffs

[acptulsa]

If you reply, I'm not, so don't bother.

What makes you think it's a bother to the bot? I haven't seen it take any particular trouble to carefully craft its spam.

 

[nikcers]

Selling more oil has always equated to more stable amounts of oil on the global oil market and lower gas prices and lower gas prices mean almost everything I buy especially food is cheaper.

It doesn't matter where the oil comes from as long as the global prices remain low.

Otherwise OPEC countries get to decide the price of oil by determining how much supply is in the market and If they decided to they can make the supply go away and the gas prices go up or we have gas shortages.

It's never a bad thing that everything becomes more affordable.

 

[idiom]

Theoretically all that does is make oil cheaper especially as demand goes down. Until there is a more reliable alternative that will be the case. Trump has said any country that goes off the dollar will get tarrifs.

The USA will be around for another 250 years nobody wants to piss us off because you never want to be on our bad side, even 100 years from now.

Oh noes not tariffs on top of the trade ending tariffs already applied to every country.

Trump is deliberately disconnecting the USA from global tradem to force Americans to buy locally no matter the price. Cuz his economics are from the 1800's.

 

[nikcers]

Oh noes not tariffs on top of the trade ending tariffs already applied to every country.

Trump is deliberately disconnecting the USA from global tradem to force Americans to buy locally no matter the price. Cuz his economics are from the 1800's.

It would be one thing if there weren't failed states all over the world as examples.

South Korea isn't looking over the border at North Korea and saying well that doesn't look so bad maybe pissing off the Americans is a good idea.

142,000 American casualties and 80 years later the USA still holds a grudge.

Oh the Russians armed North Korea? Better arm Ukraine then because fuck you that's why.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh noes not tariffs on top of the trade ending tariffs already applied to every country.

Trump is deliberately disconnecting the USA from global tradem to force Americans to buy locally no matter the price. Cuz his economics are from the 1800's.

Yes, and he's right, globalist.
Our economics and liberty were much better in the 1800s, before the Fed, the Income tax, and Free Trade.

 

[acptulsa]

Our economics and liberty were much better in the 1800s, before the Fed, the Income tax, and Free Trade.

That's not what the CSA said when the Union blockaded the cotton shipments.

I can't believe there was no free trade in the nineteenth century in your la-la land. That's asinine

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's not what the CSA said when the Union blockaded the cotton shipments.

I can't believe there was no free trade in the nineteenth century in your la-la land. That's asinine

LOL

Tariffs were how the government was funded at the time, and the level of tariffs was a major point of contention between the North and South that contributed to secession.

It's almost sad watching you make a fool of yourself like this, if it wasn't so funny.

 

[acptulsa]

Tariffs were how the government was funded at the time,

Simpleton.

The government was also selling a gazillion acres of land. They were moonlighting on your tariffs. This isn't either/or.

There were tariffs in the twentieth century too, but you want to twist those into The Tariffs That Made Trade Free And Built Globalism.

You're a cultist and a propaganda. You wouldn't pay a dime a dozen for the facts of the matter.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Simpleton.

The government was also selling a gazillion acres of land. They were moonlighting on your tariffs. This isn't either/or.

There were tariffs in the twentieth century too, but you want to twist those into The Tariffs That Made Trade Free And Built Globalism.

You're a cultist and a propaganda. You wouldn't pay a dime a dozen for the facts of the matter.

LOL

You are the free trade cultist.
Tariffs provided almost all of the revenue, that's one of the main reasons Lincoln wouldn't let the South leave, they paid most of the tariffs and the feds would go broke without them.

Tariffs were continuously reduced and nearly eliminated after the Fed and the Income tax were created, especially in the openly globalist post WWII era, and even more so after the fall of the USSR.

You make up "facts" out of thin air.

 

[acptulsa]

You make up "facts" out of thin air.

Back your bullshit up.

Fact: In the nineteenth century the federal government sold a bunch of land.

Fact: The US did levy tariffs during the twentieth century.

Which one did I pull out of thin air, O Mighty Hysterian -- er, I mean Historian?

You're just like the progs. You accuse everybody of your own sins.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Back your bullshit up.

Fact: In the nineteenth century the federal government sold a bunch of land.

Fact: The US did levy tariffs during the twentieth century.

Which one did I pull out of thin air, O Mighty Hysterian -- er, I mean Historian?

You're just like the progs. You accuse everybody of your own sins.

Land was literally dirt cheap, the fact you are trying to make up is that it contributed any significant amount to the budget.
You are also trying to imply into existence that tariffs weren't nearly eliminated in the name of your free trade cult.

It's long been discussed and is a well known fact that tariffs went from the vast majority of federal revenue to a footnote in the budget.
You pretending to have historical amnesia won't get you anywhere.

 

[acptulsa]

Land was literally dirt cheap, the fact you are trying to make up is that it contributed any significant amount to the budget.

You don't know the first thing about land grant railroads. That was where the government got railroads to increase the value of the land tenfold or more just by giving a railroad half of a strip of it in a checkerboard pattern. Once again, you're simultaneously accusing me of ignorance while demonstrating your own.

Neither one of us can separate tariffs from land sales and say which produced more revenue in any particular year, as far as I've been able to determine so far. They're both considered ad valorum revenue. But the railroads certainly extended the tax base exponentially.

It's long been discussed and is a well known fact that tariffs went from the vast majority of federal revenue to a footnote in the budget.

Apples and oranges doesn't really describe your mistake here. Comparing nineteenth century federal budgets with late twentieth century budgets is more like comparing individual raspberries with watermelons.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You don't know the first thing about land grant railroads. That was where the government got railroads to increase the value of the land tenfold or more just by giving a railroad half of a strip of it in a checkerboard pattern. Once again, you're simultaneously accusing me of ignorance while demonstrating your own.

Neither one of us can separate tariffs from land sales and say which produced more revenue in any particular year, as far as I've been able to determine so far. They're both considered ad valorum revenue. But the railroads certainly extended the tax base exponentially.



Apples and oranges doesn't really describe your mistake here. Comparing nineteenth century federal budgets with late twentieth century budgets is more like comparing individual raspberries with watermelons.

 

[acptulsa]

Oh, look. He proved I was right about there being tariffs in the twentieth century.

Fluctuations happened, yes.

And tariffs are down, yes, though it still takes more than low tariffs to make trade free trade. But this doesn't back up your claim that "tariffs were how the government was funded at the time", which implies it had no other significant sources of revenue. And if you'll look back, you'll find that's what I was disputing.

As usual, you're just arguing and picking fights with yourself so as to spread your toxicity all over a libertarian forum. You just come here to find excuses to be triggered, just like a damned prog.

Behold Pepe le Prog! We've witnessed the invention of the prog frog!

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, look. He proved I was right about there being tariffs in the twentieth century.

Fluctuations happened, yes.

And tariffs are down, yes, though it still takes more than low tariffs to make trade free trade. But this doesn't back up your claim that "tariffs were how the government was funded at the time", which implies it had no other significant sources of revenue. And if you'll look back, you'll find that's what I was disputing.

As usual, you're just arguing and picking fights with yourself so as to spread your toxicity all over a libertarian forum. You just come here to find excuses to be triggered, just like a damned prog.

Behold Pepe le Prog! We've witnessed the invention of the prog frog!

LOL

The original dispute was your claim that we had free trade in the 1800s.

We absolutely did not, we had protectionist tariffs.

And I never said there were "NO" tariffs in the 20th century, I made it very clear that as that chart shows they were consistently removed in favor of the income tax and free trade until they were nearly nonexistent.

 

[CaptUSA]

 

[PAF]

Go along to get along? Take one for the team? We're all in this together? Accept a few little bones in exchange for all of the crap that he does?

Isn't that what got us into this mess in the first place???

The big mistake was after his first term, people voted for him - again. Because why? Because people are s_ _ _ _ _. Or have a vested interest at the expense of everybody else.


Folks are also complete hypocrites; you pounce on those of us who stand firm on principle. And then there is mention that "Massie votes with Globalists". Should Massie not stand firm, and instead cave down to around a 70% record, in order to get along to get along? Maybe buy in to eVerify, or support Israel, in exchange for a 1-3% tax cut, if there even is one after all of the added debt and rise in prices?

You non-principled folks are, well, I'll bite my freaking tongue.

 

[acptulsa]

The big mistake was after his first term, people voted for him - again. Because why?

Because they stuck Biden in there and deliberately fucked everything up, that's why.

It's a psyop. Trump was, at best, Gerald Ford II until Warp Speed, when he went full criminal. But aside from that, he was just another president, just another unremarkable crook in a string of unremarkable crooks. Nothing special about him unless you just like his third grade playground bully persona.

So how did Jerry Ford become a cult daddy? Our very own Quadrennio Rosso starring Joe the Pedo Biden.

It's a psyop. It worked. People screech at us not because we trash Trump, but because we think Trump 45 was just another president.

They're desperate for a savior, and silly enough to believe it when we're told we can't have someone like a Dr. Paul or Massie. So they try to make Trump better than he is by sheer force of will, prayer, whatever. And they want us to wish really really hard too, because somehow they think that'll help.

 

[CaptUSA]

Yep

 

[PAF]

They're desperate for a savior, and silly enough to believe it when we're told we can't have someone like a Dr. Paul or Massie. So they try to make Trump better than he is by sheer force of will, prayer, whatever. And they want us to wish really really hard too, because somehow they think that'll help.

Yep.