LIST: Countries Caving to Trump’s Tariffs

[acptulsa]

Wait, wasn't the idea here to husband our resources so we can kick ass at will?

 

[idiom]

Ad hom all you got buddy?

 

[Swordsmyth]

But bad for all those other countries that import our stuff?

Potentially, if they allow it to disrupt their own industries and become dependent on it.

That's their concern, and it's up to them to mind it in the negotiations.

 

[Swordsmyth]

..

LOL

Negotiations aren't over yet.
The other side is using up their ammunition, but we will win in the end, we're already winning.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Ad hom all you got buddy?

It's more than you had in what I replied to.

I have put lots more substance in the rest of the thread.

 

[acptulsa]

...but we will win in the end...

No matter what Trump does, you will declare victory. He could fall down the steps to his airplane and break his neck and you'd talk about how triumphal he was doing it.

but we will win in the end, we're already winning.

You're as coke-addled as Charlie Sheen.

 

[Voluntarist]

The whole reason that I tolerate tariffs (in lieu of more favorable trade bans) is to reduce trade.

I don't want to use tariffs as a bargaining tool to negotiate more trade with other nations

Tariffs are a less than half-assed approach for achieving that. Don't beat about the bush here, what you really want are trade bans.

China orders airlines to suspend Boeing jet deliveries amid trade war​

China has ordered its airlines not to take any further deliveries of Boeing (BA.N), opens new tab jets in response to the U.S. decision to impose 145% tariffs on Chinese goods, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter.
Shares of Boeing — which looks at China as one of its biggest growth markets and where rival Airbus (AIR.PA), opens new tab holds a dominant position — were down 2% in early trading.
The global aerospace industry is in the middle of a full-blown tariff war, with planemakers, airlines and suppliers reviewing contracts worth billions of dollars, after U.S. supplier Howmet Aerospace (HWM.N), opens new tab ignited an debate over who should bear the cost of the tariffs.
China's top three airlines - Air China (601111.SS), opens new tab, China Eastern Airlines (600115.SS), opens new tab and China Southern Airlines (600029.SS), opens new tab - had planned to take delivery of 45, 53 and 81 Boeing planes, respectively, between 2025 and 2027.

 

[nikcers]

Wait, wasn't the idea here to husband our resources so we can kick ass at will?

Well that's just the easiest way to end the war in Ukraine- without firing a shot.

You can't end the war in Europe without getting the EU to stop funding Russia.

One of the EU's goals being to permanently get out from underneath the United States's thumb.

Without Russia there keeping the EU in check they don't need us anymore and they will start going against our interests even more.

 

[TheTexan]

Tariffs are a less than half-assed approach for achieving that. Don't beat about the bush here, what you really want are trade bans.

Yea I've been pretty consistently clear on that lol

 

[Snowball]

If he was America First he wouldn't ship our energy to Europe at all.

Keep it here to lower prices.

Scam Rolls On.

 

[nikcers]

If he was America First he wouldn't ship our energy to Europe at all.

Keep it here to lower prices.

Scam Rolls On.

There is no reason to produce energy if it costs more to produce than it makes to sell it. We get to produce energy in bulk and it lowers the prices we pay if we sell it.

 

[Snowball]

There is no reason to produce energy if it costs more to produce than it makes to sell it. We get to produce energy in bulk and it lowers the prices we pay if we sell it.

You are wrong. Depeletion of domestic supply via exportation to foreigners reduces the energy available to Americans, rising our prices on our own damn gas.

On our public lands, in most cases. It's ours. Damn it.

 

[acptulsa]

On our public lands, in most cases. It's ours. Damn it.

A sense of place is too much to expect from an AI bot.

 

[nikcers]

You are wrong. Depeletion of domestic supply via exportation to foreigners reduces the energy available to Americans, rising our prices on our own damn gas.

On our public lands, in most cases. It's ours. Damn it.

We have 10s of thousands of years worth of supply even with projected increases in usage. Probably even unlimited energy with modernized methods.

Even then we don't benefit from crashing the economy and 100 million dying in a depression because 140,000 years from now energy might not be as cheap as it is now.

There has never been a supply problem we just always chase the lowest cost.

Our dollars are valid because they are convertible to commodities like energy.

The dollar is the reserve currency of the world because of our energy dominance in the market place.

 

[Snowball]

We have 10s of thousands of years worth of supply even with projected increases in usage. Probably even unlimited energy with modernized methods.

Even then we don't benefit from crashing the economy and 100 million dying in a depression because 140,000 years from now energy might not be as cheap as it is now.

There has never been a supply problem we just always chase the lowest cost.

Our dollars are valid because they are convertible to commodities like energy.

The dollar is the reserve currency of the world because of our energy dominance in the market place.

No, that's not why or how the dollar became dominant. It happened by policy with Bretton Woods after the war victory.
Had nothing to do with energy then. Zero.

Later, it was Saudi oil. We made the world buy SAUDI and Arab sheikdoms' (and Iranian) oil with our dollars. Not OUR domestic oil.
It was a replacement for gold and silver.

You really have a lot of learning to do.

America's Petrodollar System: A Timeline of the Rise and Fall of the U.S. Dollar Followthemoney.com

Here's a brief timeline that summarizes the rise and fall of the U.S. Dollar. It also details the decline of the dollar due to the petrodollar collapse.

followthemoney.com

 

[nikcers]

No, that's not why or how the dollar became dominant. It happened by policy with Bretton Woods after the war victory.
Had nothing to do with energy then. Zero.

Later, it was Saudi oil. We made the world buy SAUDI and Arab sheikdoms' (and Iranian) oil with our dollars. Not OUR domestic oil.
It was a replacement for gold and silver.

You really have a lot of learning to do.

America's Petrodollar System: A Timeline of the Rise and Fall of the U.S. Dollar Followthemoney.com

Here's a brief timeline that summarizes the rise and fall of the U.S. Dollar. It also details the decline of the dollar due to the petrodollar collapse.

followthemoney.com

Yes it is. We have had a defacto OIL standard since the 70s. Even before World War 2 our country got rich from oil.

Richard Nixon closed the gold window and Ronald Reagan created defense deals with oil producing countries to sell their oil for dollars.

This was originally started under president Jimmy Carter when he threatened 2 dollar barrels of oil.

This meant we were able to get the price of oil down to such a level that the Soviet Union's economy crashed and their country broke up and we won the cold war against communism.

 

[acptulsa]

You really have a lot of learning to do.

It's programmed to learn how to spam the Official Narrative better, not how to learn the truth. Inside a server truth means nothing. Programming means everything.

 

[nikcers]

We literally shut down Imperial Japan with an oil embargo and ended their conquest in Manchuria before World War 2.

That's why the EU refuses to buy energy from us.

They don't want us to shut their economy off if they go and try to do imperialism and build an empire.

 

[Snowball]

Yes it is. We have had a defacto OIL standard since the 70s. Even before World War 2 our country got rich from oil.

Richard Nixon closed the gold window and Ronald Reagan created defense deals with oil producing countries to sell their oil for dollars.

This was originally started under president Jimmy Carter when he threatened 2 dollar barrels of oil.

This meant we were able to get the price of oil down to such a level that the Soviet Union's economy crashed and their country broke up and we won the cold war against communism.

I don't know if you're actually reading what you've said and my reply.

This argument is only about the exportation of domestic oil. I said that the petrodollar used Arabian oil.

Exporting our native oil and gas does nothing but raise prices for Americans. That's all I have to say.

 

[acptulsa]

I don't know if you're actually reading what you've said and my reply.

It's programmed to generate spam, not sense.