Libertarian Presidential Candidates Champion 'Open Borders'

[RJB]

I keep hearing from the globaltarians that "education" is the answer.

Well, fine, I agree...but education takes a long time...and it's pointless to educate one and have ten more that think just the opposite invade across the border.

Shut it down.

Ten year moratorium...give us a chance to get our shit together and do that educating.

Hell. They must never have had kids. I have a hard enough time passing it down to my own kids and they expect us to go door to door like Jehovah Witnesses and proselytize free markets to people who don't speak English and received 12 years of indoctrination about how evil Americans are as they scramble to live here to change us.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I never get an answer to this...I know why of course.

It's been explained to you innumerable times that immigration doesn't entail slaughter of the natives, despite this being so obvious that it shouldn't require explanation. Can you possibly imagine a situation in which a person travels from point A on the globe to point B without killing whoever lives at point B? I don't know about you, but when I drive to another town for work or pleasure, I don't slaughter everyone I meet.

Shocking, I know.

World weary and cynical globatarians and leftarians of all stripes don't care.

They know what is going to happen...and many of them celebrate it, cheer it on.

Having no posterity, for any number of reasons from bone idleness to adopting sodomy as a lifestyle choice, to pass on the blessing of liberty to, they are out of the fight.

They don't care if coming generations of people like them are reduced to third class citizen status...it won't hurt them in the here and now.

They are the perfect embodiment of the disconnected, unknowing, unthinking, cosmopolitan, "Atomized Man"...hapless, hopeless and helpless with no idea of who they are, other than a trace remnant of a vile, repressive, racist past, with no discernible future, just an endless "present" of pseudo authoritarian control and rigid rules.

People such as yourself, who I appreciate are well intended, simply don't understand the nature of the problem.

It isn't about moral decline or demographics or anything of that sort.

It's just basic economics as applied to politics.

This political system generates socialism.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's been explained to you innumerable times that immigration doesn't entail slaughter of the natives, despite this being so obvious that it shouldn't require explanation. Can you possibly imagine a situation in which a person travels from point A on the globe to point B without killing whoever lives at point B? I don't know about you, but when I drive to another town for work or pleasure, I don't slaughter everyone I meet.

Shocking, I know.

Conquests by communists always do.

People such as yourself, who I appreciate are well intended, simply don't understand the nature of the problem.

It isn't about moral decline or demographics or anything of that sort.

It's just basic economics as applied to politics.

This political system generates socialism.

That's nonsense.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

clueless LiBROtarians, the great ideological isolationists of our time.

Look what open borders did to the Europeans.

Yea, that's Europe problem: contra, for instance, the birth of socialism, nationalism, and two world wars (with not a foreigner in sight).

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yea, that's Europe problem: contra, for instance, the birth of socialism, nationalism, and two world wars (with not a foreigner in sight).

What the invaders will bring will make all of that look small.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

To revisit @Anti Federalist's point about alleged "globatarian" indifference or aimlessness or cynicism, that's not my position anyway. I'm not saying it's hopeless, give up. I'm saying electoral politics are hopeless, give up on that, and focus on something that can actually produce results in the long-run: namely, building up a libertarian infrastructure in civil society. Create schools, think tanks, charities, fraternal organizations, etc, as the left has done with great success. This would be the alternative to pissing away one's time and energy supporting the ever so slightly lesser evil in the two party system. In other words, stop buying lottery tickets and make some long-term investments.

That would be actual chess, not the sort played in imaginary dimensions.

 

[Swordsmyth]

To revisit @Anti Federalist's point about alleged "globatarian" indifference or aimlessness or cynicism, that's not my position anyway. I'm not saying it's hopeless, give up. I'm saying electoral politics are hopeless, give up on that, and focus on something that can actually produce results in the long-run: namely, building up a libertarian infrastructure in civil society. Create schools, think tanks, charities, fraternal organizations, etc, as the left has done with great success. This would be the alternative to pissing away one's time and energy supporting the ever so slightly lesser evil in the two party system. In other words, stop buying lottery tickets and make some long-term investments.

That would be actual chess, not the sort played in imaginary dimensions.

That's fine if you wish to pursue that angle.

But if some of us don't deal with politics and immigration you and your fellows will be killed and your books burned, everything you seek to create will be lost to the world and erased from history.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It's been explained to you innumerable times that immigration doesn't entail slaughter of the natives, despite this being so obvious that it shouldn't require explanation. Can you possibly imagine a situation in which a person travels from point A on the globe to point B without killing whoever lives at point B? I don't know about you, but when I drive to another town for work or pleasure, I don't slaughter everyone I meet.

I'm not talking about "a" person.

I'm talking about tens of millions, motivated by agents that are enemies of this nation and it's people.

I'm talking about tens of millions that have been taught that everything wrong in their lives is the fault of the ones who were already here.

That is a recipe for genocide that has been used thousands of times in history.

 

[Anti Federalist]

To revisit @Anti Federalist's point about alleged "globatarian" indifference or aimlessness or cynicism, that's not my position anyway. I'm not saying it's hopeless, give up. I'm saying electoral politics are hopeless, give up on that, and focus on something that can actually produce results in the long-run: namely, building up a libertarian infrastructure in civil society. Create schools, think tanks, charities, fraternal organizations, etc, as the left has done with great success. This would be the alternative to pissing away one's time and energy supporting the ever so slightly lesser evil in the two party system. In other words, stop buying lottery tickets and make some long-term investments.

That would be actual chess, not the sort played in imaginary dimensions.

I happen to do both...and work in the local political realm.

I'm all for it.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

That's fine if you wish to pursue that angle.

But if some of us don't deal with politics and immigration you and your fellows will be killed and your books burned, everything you seek to create will be lost to the world and erased from history.

If that's going to happen, it's going to be at the hands of one of the domestic socialist groups, GOP or Dem.

...or, as they will be known in future, the National Socialist American Workers Party and the Union of Soviet Socialist Shemales.

I'm not worried about the foreigners.

I'm not talking about "a" person.

I'm talking about tens of millions, motivated by agents that are enemies of this nation and it's people.

I'm talking about tens of millions that have been taught that everything wrong in their lives is the fault of the ones who were already here.

That is a recipe for genocide that has been used thousands of times in history.

I don't see how that describes reality.

I happen to do both...and work in the local political realm.

I'm all for it.

Glad to hear it, but I don't think most people can multi-task like that.

So long as Trump (or whoever it is next) is seen as reMAGAficating the country, that's going to be the focus for most people.

 

[devil21]

Look over there! Shiny thing!

Now that Donald and Congress are pushing out crap-loads of socialist legislation redistributing trillions of dollars, shutting down small businesses, implementing socialist police state measures, it's time to post a brown person scapegoating thread, warning about the dangers of immigrants supporting socialism!

Do some of you people hear yourselves??? It's the average American cheering on the vast redistribution of wealth, cheering on the increasing police state, etc. But it's immigrants that will bring us down??? Get real. It's our own people that are bringing this thing down while immigrants are scapegoated. Same as it ever was.

I don't understand "libertarians" who support open borders. Closed borders protects private property owners on the border from trespassing by foreigners. The constitution gives the federal government the responsibility to protect our rights. Including our property rights.

The Constitution also doesn't treat people themselves as property, either, but that's the legal basis of what makes someone a "legal" citizen or an "illegal" immigrant. A "legal" or "documented" citizen literally means someone is the jurisdictional property of the federal government corporation. The writers of the Constitution had no concept of what the federal legalese monster has become and the concept of a "citizen" is hugely different today than when the document was written.


eta: On the article itself, I'm very glad to see Hornberger catching some momentum. He's the right candidate for the LP nomination. A serious scholar that is actually electable and is a real Libertarian, not another fake Beltway controlled opposition candidate.

 

[TheCount]

I know plenty of Latinos that do not support more immigration of any kind. But yes, they are probably outnumbered by the La Raza segment, that wants immigration from south of the border, but not from Asia.

Like whites who want immigration from Europe and South Africa (but only the right kinds of Europeans and South Africans) but not from south of the border or from Asia (except maybe the right kinds of Asians)?

We have some of those right here on the forum. They're quite prolific posters.



Tribalists gonna be tribal.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Like whites who want immigration from Europe and South Africa (but only the right kinds of Europeans and South Africans) but not from south of the border or from Asia (except maybe the right kinds of Asians)?

We have some of those right here on the forum. They're quite prolific posters.

Tribalists gonna be tribal.

Human nature.

Some are more tribal than others. Some people are not very tribal at all. Some tribes are very open about their tribal preferences, and find it strange that other tribes don’t do the same. Some tribes are very tribal, but hide it. Some people like to virtue signal about how non-tribal they are, and range from honestly non-tribal to secretly super-tribal.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Look over there! Shiny thing!

Now that Donald and Congress are pushing out crap-loads of socialist legislation redistributing trillions of dollars, shutting down small businesses, implementing socialist police state measures, it's time to post a brown person scapegoating thread, warning about the dangers of immigrants supporting socialism!

Do some of you people hear yourselves??? It's the average American cheering on the vast redistribution of wealth, cheering on the increasing police state, etc. But it's immigrants that will bring us down??? Get real. It's our own people that are bringing this thing down while immigrants are scapegoated. Same as it ever was.

Can’t talk about Coronavirus all day, or the government response. Old issues remain the same. But most people here are adamantly opposed to government bailouts. We could try to organize a Congress feedback campaign. Call your Congresspeople kind of thing? Would you like to spearhead that?

eta: On the article itself, I'm very glad to see Hornberger catching some momentum. He's the right candidate for the LP nomination. A serious scholar that is actually electable and is a real Libertarian, not another fake Beltway controlled opposition candidate.

I tend to agree, Hornberger may be the best option, even if I don’t agree with him on one issue. That is not the only issue of importance.

 

[devil21]

Can’t talk about Coronavirus all day, or the government response. Old issues remain the same. But most people here are adamantly opposed to government bailouts. We could try to organize a Congress feedback campaign. Call your Congresspeople kind of thing? Would you like to spearhead that?

I think strongly worded letters are AF's and [MENTION=33245]TheTexan[/MENTION]'s pet projects, not mine.

I tend to agree, Hornberger may be the best option, even if I don’t agree with him on one issue. That is not the only issue of importance.

Absolutely not. Howls about the dangers of immigrants bringing socialism with them, while the politicians that were voted in by mostly non-immigrants pass, by far, the most socialist legislation seen since The New Deal, ring pretty hollow and reek of base scapegoating.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Absolutely not. Howls about the dangers of immigrants bringing socialism with them, while the politicians that were voted in by mostly non-immigrants pass, by far, the most socialist legislation seen since The New Deal, ring pretty hollow and reek of base scapegoating.

"Blue states" with high immigrant populations are the ones enacting the most Draconian of responses to the Corona Crazy.

Yes, I am well aware of the raw numbers voting.

I'm talking about ratios.

New migrant invaders vote overwhelmingly for bigger and more intrusive government.

This is a fact...ignore at your peril.

 

[devil21]

"Blue states" with high immigrant populations are the ones enacting the most Draconian of responses to the Corona Crazy.

Yes, I am well aware of the raw numbers voting.

I'm talking about ratios.

New migrant invaders vote overwhelmingly for bigger and more intrusive government.

This is a fact...ignore at your peril.

I don't feel any peril since I'm not easily manipulated by emotional triggers like racial identity fear.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't feel any peril since I'm not easily manipulated by emotional triggers like racial identity fear.

You peril metric may be higher.

YMMV