Libertarian Presidential Candidates Champion 'Open Borders'

[Anti Federalist]

1. Demographic changes won't significantly affect political outcomes one way or the other; the problem is a matter of human nature.

(This is demonstrably false, as we watch places like CA - VA and TX turn blue right before our eyes due to migrant invasion - AF)

2. Peaceful immigration isn't invasion.

(This is not peaceful immigration. This is illegal invasion, sponsored and orchestrated by enemies of this nation and it's people. These people are an invading army, regardless of whether they have arms or not. - AF)

3. Having hamburger joints displaced by taco stands isn't a problem warranting a political solution.

(There is more to Western Civilization than MacDonald's - AF)

4. One population being outbred by another isn't genocide.

("The problem with Scotland is that it is full of Scots. Therefore I intend to re-instate the law of prima nocte, first night, where our nobles will have exclusive rights to the marriage beds newly wedded Scots women. If we can't kick them out, we'll breed them out." - Edward Longshanks)

You're in favor of One World Government ruled by a King.

Therefore, being skewed thusly, every point you made is wrong.

And I don't put much stock in them.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I agree, and it can indeed get a hell of a lot worse. Those who spout that utopia have never personally been there to see the "worse" and how bad it truly is and have no clue. They have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the globalist media who hides the reality of it.

I've been around the world more than once and this is very true.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You're in favor of One World Government ruled by a King.

Therefore, being skewed thusly, every point you made is wrong.

And I don't put much stock in them.

I think we can give him #3 as long as the owners and employees are from our culture and don't spread disease through poor hygiene or vote for communism.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

No. The Venezuelans were in that mess because they elected Bernie Sanders' brother of another mother, Hugo Chavez. Carolinians would not do that. 20 years ago, even Californians would not do that. Now a days, Californians would elect a Hugo Chavez and it is the direct result of immigration.

It's only a difference of degree and timing. We're moving toward the same kind of crisis as they've experienced, with people (native born, mostly white people) voting for ever-larger government, every election. Each country's politics are a little different for random reasons: some particularly charismatic politician happens to born there rather than there, that country happens to have some exogenous crisis while this country doesn't, whatever. The basic trend is the same.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's only a difference of degree and timing. We're moving toward the same kind of crisis as they've experienced, with people (native born, mostly white people) voting for ever-larger government, every election. Each country's politics are a little different for random reasons: some particularly charismatic politician happens to born there rather than there, that country happens to have some exogenous crisis while this country doesn't, whatever. The basic trend is the same.

LOL

As if we haven't been flooded with those people since 1968.

 

[ATruepatriot]

I've been around the world more than once and this is very true.

They watch too much PBS glorifying these inhumane failed states...

 

[RJB]

It's only a difference of degree and timing. We're moving toward the same kind of crisis as they've experienced, with people (native born, mostly white people) voting for ever-larger government, every election. Each country's politics are a little different for random reasons: some particularly charismatic politician happens to born there rather than there, that country happens to have some exogenous crisis while this country doesn't, whatever. The basic trend is the same.

That's talk with no backing of facts. You sound like Brian Stelter reading a teleprompter for CNN. California elected Ronald Reagan as governor. He wasn't perfect, but he wouldn't stand a chance against Bernie Sanders in an election in CA in modern times. That is totally due to demographic changes.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

That's talk with no backing of facts. You sound like Brian Stelter reading a teleprompter for CNN. California elected Ronald Reagan as governor. He wasn't perfect, but he wouldn't stand a chance against Bernie Sanders in an election in CA in modern times. That is totally due to demographic changes.

Reagan vastly increased government spending, so I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[RJB]

Reagan vastly increased government spending, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Can you see the difference between Hugo Chavez's regime in Venezuela and Ronald Reagan's Regime in the US? As big government as Reagan may have been, modern California would prefer Bernie Sanders over Reagan.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Reagan vastly increased government spending, so I'm not sure what your point is.

50=/=50,000 even though both are greater than 5.

You are comparing crab apples to watermelons.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Can you see the difference between Hugo Chavez's regime in Venezuela and Ronald Reagan's Regime in the US? As big government as Reagan may have been, modern California would prefer Bernie Sanders over Reagan.

50=/=50,000 even though both are greater than 5.

You are comparing crab apples to watermelons.

Meh, see posts above.

 

[RJB]

Meh, see posts above.

So I take it Rev33 would be as happier living in Saudi Arabia or Venezuela, because the USA is too oppressive for him. Because all governments are the same, unless they are monarchies, of course.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I never get an answer to this...I know why of course.

World weary and cynical globatarians and leftarians of all stripes don't care.

They know what is going to happen...and many of them celebrate it, cheer it on.

Having no posterity, for any number of reasons from bone idleness to adopting sodomy as a lifestyle choice, to pass on the blessing of liberty to, they are out of the fight.

They don't care if coming generations of people like them are reduced to third class citizen status...it won't hurt them in the here and now.

They are the perfect embodiment of the disconnected, unknowing, unthinking, cosmopolitan, "Atomized Man"...hapless, hopeless and helpless with no idea of who they are, other than a trace remnant of a vile, repressive, racist past, with no discernible future, just an endless "present" of pseudo authoritarian control and rigid rules.

Why don't you ask these guys how unlimited immigration, into a borderless world, of people hostile to them and their traditions and cultures and heritage...ask them how it worked out.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I never get an answer to this...I know why of course.

World weary and cynical globatarians and leftarians of all stripes don't care.

They know what is going to happen...and many of them celebrate it, cheer it on.

Having no posterity, for any number of reasons from bone idleness to adopting sodomy as a lifestyle choice, to pass on the blessing of liberty to, they are out of the fight.

They don't care if coming generations of people like them are reduced to third class citizen status...it won't hurt them in the here and now.

They are the perfect embodiment of the disconnected, unknowing, unthinking, cosmopolitan, "Atomized Man"...hapless, hopeless and helpless with no idea of who they are, other than a trace remnant of a vile, repressive, racist past, with no discernible future, just an endless "present" of pseudo authoritarian control and rigid rules.

If we lose they will be among the first to be actively genocided.

 

[eleganz]

Yeah, sure libertarians; start with the most pie-in-the-sky issue and see how many converts you make.

Many libertarians have no marketing or business sense. Focusing, or even addressing, this issue is a sure fire way for newcomers to instantly reject freedom.

There are plenty of other issues to address. Focus on something else.

clueless LiBROtarians, the great ideological isolationists of our time.

Look what open borders did to the Europeans.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So I take it Rev33 would be as happier living in Saudi Arabia or Venezuela, because the USA is too oppressive for him. Because all governments are the same, unless they are monarchies, of course.

Basically yes.

Stay out of his way to make a quick buck and, well so fucking what if kids are eating zoo animals to survive. Caracas or Cuyahoga...makes no difference to him.

And up goes the balloon: "WTF AF, that kid isn't mine to take of!"

No, he isn't, nor mine. But he is someone's kid. And that kid will grow up, assuming he survives. And before you know it, that kid is marching in the street with a Molotov cocktail. And that kid is eyeballing YOUR shit and figuring he'll just come and take it.

The fastest way to keep that from happening is free market capitalism.

But we can not keep free market capitalism when tens of millions of kids just like that have invaded and vote, in MASSIVE numbers for a communist in CA.

I keep hearing from the globaltarians that "education" is the answer.

Well, fine, I agree...but education takes a long time...and it's pointless to educate one and have ten more that think just the opposite invade across the border.

Shut it down.

Ten year moratorium...give us a chance to get our shit together and do that educating.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If we lose they will be among the first to be actively genocided.

I realize that as well, and they don't care about that either.

It's all part of this cult of death...like they would look forward to it, they are so bored with life.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Basically yes.

Stay out of his way to make a quick buck and, well so $#@!ing what if kids are eating zoo animals to survive. Caracas or Cuyahoga...makes no difference to him.

And up goes the balloon: "WTF AF, that kid isn't mine to take of!"

No, he isn't, nor mine. But he is someone's kid. And that kid will grow up, assuming he survives. And before you know it, that kid is marching in the street with a Molotov cocktail. And that kid is eyeballing YOUR $#@! and figuring he'll just come and take it.

The fastest way to keep that from happening is free market capitalism.

But we can not keep free market capitalism when tens of millions of kids just like that have invaded and vote, in MASSIVE numbers for a communist in CA.

I keep hearing from the globaltarians that "education" is the answer.

Well, fine, I agree...but education takes a long time...and it's pointless to educate one and have ten more that think just the opposite invade across the border.

Shut it down.

Ten year moratorium...give us a chance to get our $#@! together and do that educating.

Then review the situation and extend it each decade until we are much closer to where we should be than we are now.

And have sharp numerical and cultural limits when we open up again.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I realize that as well, and they don't care about that either.

It's all part of this cult of death...like they would look forward to it, they are so bored with life.

I was thinking off adding that perhaps that is what they want deep in the dark recesses of their minds.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I was thinking off adding that perhaps that is what they want deep in the dark recesses of their minds.

I'm convinced of it.

It's why so many of folks of that political stripe are so full of hate and anger...an I know that sounds hypocritical coming from me, but some of these people are off their rockers.