Libertarian Party Selects Gary Johnson As Presidential Nominee

[nasaal]

We will continue to support Liberty uncompromising and where it is really needed locally and up. Republican, Libertarian, Democratic Party does not matter, those are their rules. McAfee despite not being versed in libertarian principle, seems to be the candidate that got this. I loved watching the convention, the future is promising, the compromise will fail as it always has.

They aren't "their" rules. They are THE rules. Until something can be done to actually alter the function of that system then we will continue to get the same as we have for longer than either of us have been alive. I applaud you and any others for being uncompromising in your approach. Go for it. I do not see it as being effective at any point in the future. Not even the off chance. I compromised by voting for Ron Paul as I do disagree with him on some things. I saw him as being by far the best chance we had in the United States in 2008, and 2012 to alter the common perception of the system though. Something to get meaningful debate out there from an angle that wasn't even being thought of by the majority.

Do what you feel is best for you and yours. I'll do the same for me. Hopefully one of us gets the change that we are looking for!

 

[nasaal]

In other words, the libertarian party is already infiltrated and taken over?

arghh..... why the $#@! did they vote for Johnson when he chose such a jackass as his VP?

I don't get it...

If anything, he should have chosen Peterson - to unite the libertarian front. Instead, he chooses a friggin knucklehead..... <shakes head>

Exposure, Like it or not he has one short term goal. Be in the media enough to make it to 15%. That's it. He doesn't accomplish that as easily with Peterson as he does with Weld. We may not like them very much. The people watching it on TV however won't be sitting there saying "Well I don't think that they are very Libertarian. Their records indicate that they are shills for big government." They'll see. "Two former governors running for the whitehouse against a witch of a woman and a psychopath with no history in office?" Then they do some surface research on who they are, and they find some speeches about doing what you want to do as long as you don't infringe upon someone else's right to do the same. They eventually even stumble upon places like this through the magic of google(like I did once upon a time).

The wool isn't pulled from the eyes of America on Liberty and coercion through the threat of force and whatnot. Instead the idea that they can look a bit further than the red and blue teams creeps into the minds of Americans.

Long shot, but a shot that the LP does not realistically have with Peterson as the VP. Not even Mcaffee as the VP given the constant connotations that he would carry with him. Well....unless someone like a Koch happens to bankroll the campaign. Then it wouldn't much matter WHO they trotted out there.

 

[afwjam]

They aren't "their" rules. They are THE rules. Until something can be done to actually alter the function of that system then we will continue to get the same as we have for longer than either of us have been alive. I applaud you and any others for being uncompromising in your approach. Go for it. I do not see it as being effective at any point in the future. Not even the off chance. I compromised by voting for Ron Paul as I do disagree with him on some things. I saw him as being by far the best chance we had in the United States in 2008, and 2012 to alter the common perception of the system though. Something to get meaningful debate out there from an angle that wasn't even being thought of by the majority.

Do what you feel is best for you and yours. I'll do the same for me. Hopefully one of us gets the change that we are looking for!

Ron Paul did not want to "win" he did not want to be president, he was not trying to get things "done", he accomplished real change, you don't have to agree with him, that's the point.

 

[adam220891]

Drug dealer? Like a liquor store owner, or a store that sells cigarettes?

He owns or is invested in some sort of pot business, seriously.

 

[nasaal]

He owns or is invested in some sort of pot business, seriously.

No. I am aware. Makes him no more a drug deal than the owner of liquor store, coffee company, or Advil.

 

[nasaal]

Ron Paul did not want to "win" he did not want to be president, he was not trying to get things "done", he accomplished real change, you don't have to agree with him, that's the point.

What change? Inflation is as bad as ever, government intervention is worse than ever, and the candidates did little more than pay lip service to anything he spoke about. Speaking of candidates, we have 2 psychopaths with their party's nominations. He did not bring about actual change. He certainly did everything he could though, and for that he had and will always have some level of my support.

 

[afwjam]

What change? Inflation is as bad as ever, government intervention is worse than ever, and the candidates did little more than pay lip service to anything he spoke about. Speaking of candidates, we have 2 psychopaths with their party's nominations. He did not bring about actual change. He certainly did everything he could though, and for that he had and will always have some level of my support.

have you seen the way they talk? What trump is saying? Cruz? Did you watch the libertarian convention? Who do you think brought us to this point and changed the conversation? He did it without winning, because he always wins.

 

[nasaal]

have you seen the way they talk? What trump is saying? Cruz? Did you watch the libertarian convention? Who do you think brought us to this point and changed the conversation? He did it without winning, because he always wins.

The way they talk? What difference in the world is that? Obama talked about being supportive of whistle blowers, and he has been worse than even Bush was on the subject. Words are wind. The reality of the nation has not changed for the better. His victory was one of an individual nature. He woke many of us up to recognizing that reality. We then grew the Liberty community and worked to poke holes in the insanity that is spouted on a regular basis through the media and by the political elite.

That's great. He served the role of teacher. He armed us with the knowledge and nuanced perspective to decide on our own(per individual) vision of what the cause of Liberty should really be. That's fantastic. He did not truly change anything in this nation however. Not yet. The seeds he planted however may grow into an unstoppable Liberty forest that in the end may truly win.

Upon reading over this post I just realized that I used the phrase Liberty Forest without remembering that it was the name of these forums.

 

[afwjam]

The way they talk? What difference in the world is that? Obama talked about being supportive of whistle blowers, and he has been worse than even Bush was on the subject. Words are wind. The reality of the nation has not changed for the better. His victory was one of an individual nature. He woke many of us up to recognizing that reality. We then grew the Liberty community and worked to poke holes in the insanity that is spouted on a regular basis through the media and by the political elite.

That's great. He served the role of teacher. He armed us with the knowledge and nuanced perspective to decide on our own(per individual) vision of what the cause of Liberty should really be. That's fantastic. He did not truly change anything in this nation however. Not yet. The seeds he planted however may grow into an unstoppable Liberty forest that in the end may truly win.

Upon reading over this post I just realized that I used the phrase Liberty Forest without remembering that it was the name of these forums.

Yes,I think you are agreeing with me. Government will change when we change, not the other way around.

 

[nasaal]

Yes,I think you are agreeing with me. Government will change when we change, not the other way around.

Yea, to a point. I think people remain roughly tthe same. We respond to perceived threats and stimuli much the we we always have. Oour perception however continues to change onn a societal level. The actions of our government will not change no matter how we rail against them. Even refusing to vote for them will accomplish nothing except to shrink the numbers at the exit polls. They respond to perceived threats as we have evolved to do. They do not see protests and rallies as big enough threats to change actual behavior. They adjust some verbage and continue on with their day.

Unless we are actually willing to vote elsewhere, they do not care. That is the only thing that they would perceive as a threat.

Reality being shared turns to a change in perception which turns to action. Enlightening people to the system accomplishes nothing without our own threat to change it.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Any libertarian who supports this ticket has sold their soul to the devil.

Hope the 30 pieces of silver were worth it, scumbag LPers. I hope the party is sunk for good after this disgrace, and I will be personally working toward those ends.

 

[nasaal]

Any libertarian who supports this ticket has sold their soul to the devil.

Hope the 30 pieces of silver were worth it, scumbag LPers. I hope the party is sunk for good after this disgrace, and I will be personally working toward those ends.

You go for it. Do what you feel is best for your life.

 

[bunklocoempire]

silver lining-
The liberty lip service gets better and better! The "truth ante" is upped! (thanks Ron!)

sh!t lining-
Mankind seems to be forever losing his grip on what words actually mean. Lip service doesn't do anything to help that.

A wash? lol

Resist as best you can, but resist!

FURTHER

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Bill Kristol joining the LP could bring some much needed establishment and MIC money. He could also bring in credible candidates. Imagine a Sasse/Cotton ticket. Or Rubio/Sasse. Or Rubio/Ayotte. Or Cotton/Cheney (Liz). The possibilities are endless. The LP would have more success than ever. A truly viable third Party.

Brian, please tell me you are being facetious.

Kennedy ("libertarian" on Fox) suggested today that Kristol was talking about Johnson/Weld in his mysterious Tweet...

 

[undergroundrr]

scumbag LPers. I hope the party is sunk for good after this disgrace, and I will be personally working toward those ends.

Yeah, you already were. Carry on with your fantasy about trumpMessiah.

 

[dannno]

Drug dealer? Like a liquor store owner, or a store that sells cigarettes?

More like an herbal doctor.

 

[dannno]

He owns or is invested in some sort of pot business, seriously.

That seems like a really smart idea.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Kennedy ("libertarian" on Fox) suggested today that Kristol was talking about Johnson/Weld in his mysterious Tweet...

Well, if they bring out a bunch of men in drag and say we're all libertarians now, it wouldn't get much better.

This is why Ron Paul encouraged working in the the GOP where we'd have more influence - which we have. It would be nice to have an organization still running on principles when that doesn't work - but this isn't the organization now.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Yeah, you already were. Carry on with your fantasy about trumpMessiah.

I guess you have to sort to lies and BS rather than defend the merits of your ticket. The LP has sold its soul for the unwanted GOP leftovers. A new low for the Party. The streaker was the least disgraceful thing about this weekend's convention.

 

[unknown]

Any libertarian who supports this ticket has sold their soul to the devil.

Hope the 30 pieces of silver were worth it, scumbag LPers. I hope the party is sunk for good after this disgrace, and I will be personally working toward those ends.

Its more a reflection of the lemons that we have to "choose" from.

Johnson > Trump or Hillary, fat cuck notwithstanding.

Not like anyone is suggesting LP over Rand...