Libertarian Party Options

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QUESTION:

Why is it reprehensible to saddle future Others with our self-assumed Debt, which can NEVER can be repaid, if it is NOT reprehensible to saddle them with our self-imposed Broken System, which prevents EVER putting a stop to saddling future Others with accumulated unpayable Debt = Bondage?

 

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MOST UNPOPULAR GOV'T IN 15 YEARS


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75666.html

 

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Apr 26, 2012 3:01pm

Young People May Not Bother to Vote for Obama: Poll


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/young-people-may-not-bother-to-vote-for-obama-poll/

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

In my view, it is utterly stupid for Ron Paul TO wait for Tampa.

Whereas Ron Paul has WHAT to lose by joining them . . . the "favor" of Republican Party Bosses?

Like saying Ron Paul hasn't gotten anywhere all this while.

IF Ron Paul doesn't get the GOP nomination? IF?!?!

It makes sense for Ron Paul to PISS OR GET OFF THE POT.

This year is a "huge boon" for the Libertarian Party ALREADY . . . one man's disappointment being another man's opportunity. Finder's keeper, Loser's weeper.

Libertarian Party has ballot access in all 50 states.

UNLIKE the ol' write-in option.

There have been many polls where Ron Paul beats Obama as a REPUBLICAN while the max he's got as a 3rd-party candidate is about 20% or so with Obama at 40-45%; that should make it clear to any rational person where he has a better chance & why he's taken that path!

And you're disregarding the countless hours & money that many have spent on the delegate-process & to push Ron Paul within the Republican Party with their blood, sweat & tears, may be you don't care about such things but Ron does & he even mentioned it in the recent interview

Information questions for cheapseats:
Can the libertarian party nominate Gary Johnson and then Gary Johnson have the option of handing the baton to ron Paul if Paul desires to run after he loses GOP nomination?
Can the LP nominate GJ as VP and leave top spot open or can GJ after being nominate drop down to VP slot to make room for RP?
Can the LP make a deal with the Green party and nominate Jill Stein as GJ's running mate?
Can the LP nominate RP andGJ for P?VP and then if RP says no move GJ up to P and offer VP to Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson or Buddy Roemer?

I know those are lots of questions. Some are based on ideas I have heard here and elsewhere. Some are based on my desire to find a way to form a coalition ticket. The inability of the RP campaign staff to adjust tactically is very troublesome. Do you think nepotism has anything to do with it? Hard to fire your son-in-law especially if his in cahoots with your son. Maybe I should make that thread happen next and watch this place go bat $#!+ crazy. if you want ot beat me to it you're welcome.

The issue has always been whether Paul would pursue the third party option as an ADDITIONAL avenue for advancing his candidacy in 2012 and the liberty movement past this year. An LP nomination would enhance Paul's ability to gain the GOP nomination, but the LP does not have to delay its deliberations for the sake of the latter.

Yes, bring LP nominee while running GOP would help him within GOP as they wouldn't want to split the GOP vote but some felt that it might also antagonize the Republican voters so I don't know

cheapseats, Do me a favor and stop making so much sense. I'm not use to it very much around here. All these libertarian folks proclaiming their non conformist ways but everyone is in lock step with self destruction. The the previous poster.... I refuse to post the link again that i have posted more than a dozen times. Find it yourself....RON PAUL CANNOT WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE GOP CONVENTION TO RUN INDY OR 3RD PARTY BECUASE THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 6 OR 7 STATES THAT WILL ALLOW HIM TO FILE AS SUCH AFTER AUGUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you think Ron Paul is an idiot? He's someone who knows first-hand how much the political machine is geared to obliterate competition so I'm sure he understands that
So IF HE WANTS to run 3rd-party then he'll choose that path in the near future if Romney continues to secure bound-delegates, it's up to him I guess

 

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Maybe he should have run directly against Obama as a democrat.

 

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Do you think Ron Paul is an idiot? He's someone who knows first-hand how much the political machine is geared to obliterate competition so I'm sure he understands that
So IF HE WANTS to run 3rd-party then he'll choose that path in the near future if Romney continues to secure bound-delegates, it's up to him I guess

I suggest, with respect due to Ron Paul, that he never believed he would actually come face-to-face with the real-life at-hand prospect of BEING President of the United States. I don't think that was ever HIS "I have a dream."

I KNOW WHERE ALL Y'ALL STAND ABOUT HIM BEING PRESIDENT.

Where he stands on it is less clear. "All the way to Tampa EVEN IF ROMNEY HAS 1144 DELEGATES." Does that sound like someone who wants to WIN? I ask, what are his chances of winning the GOP nomination if Romney goes in with the magic number?

ARE HIS ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORTERS DEMANDING ANSWERS? Or are they implicitly trusting not only HIM, but also an "official" campaign directed by OTHER (can't fill Ron's shoes) mortals? Is he being SHIELDED from this "tough choice", same as discussion HERE gets bounced into cyber-oblivion?

The Libertarian Party nominating convention begins in Las Vegas on May 2.

If Ron Paul does not at least make AN ACT OF PRESENCE, then I will not that say that he is an idiot...empirically, he is NOT an idiot..but I WILL say that he has come face-to-face with BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR, and does not WANT to win.

WANTING to lord over all is one of the things that is LEAST appealing about "Presidential Hopefuls". PICK ME! PICK ME!

Some of his personal strengths are political liabilities in the "new" millennium. Sadly, c'est la vie.

A critical mass of Americans, INCLUDING some Ron Paul Supporters "simply" revere Profits & Perks above Principles & Peace, Actors & Athletes above Philosophers & Scientists, and Tits & Ass above Smarts & Ethics.

 

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2h ImplausibleEndeavors ‏ @MindOfMo
@RonPaul: Does January headline perchance ring bell as MISSTEP? "Paul goes home to Texas just as campaign heats up": http://yhoo.it/IgVJCx

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ImplausibleEndeavors ‏ @MindOfMo
@RonPaul: You can make it home on eve of critical Caucus, seems you could make ACT OF PRESENCE at #LibertarianPartyConvention in #LasVegas.

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ImplausibleEndeavors ‏ @MindOfMo
@RonPaul: You should be dealing w/ #JOHNSON, not #Santorum. Even cameo appearance at #LibertarianPartyConvention...ELVIS IS IN THE BUILDING.
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BTW: Dan Gordon is a State Representative in Rhode Island who is a Libertarian. He switched from Republican a few months ago.

So, you're wrong again?

 

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Their convention has started.

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

QUESTION:

Why is it reprehensible to saddle future Others with our self-assumed Debt, which can NEVER can be repaid, if it is NOT reprehensible to saddle them with our self-imposed Broken System, which prevents EVER putting a stop to saddling future Others with accumulated unpayable Debt = Bondage?

Yes, passing on debt to future generations is a form of intergenerational slavery but I'd just like to point out that the debt is NOT "unpayble" as many conspiracy theorists claim; there's no such theoretical impediment at all, the problem is the unwilling to cut spending & save on the part of the Congress & the people themselves

For example, if public opinion could be influenced enough for people to agree to cutting massively & let's say 2.5 trillion is collected in revenue & 1.5 is spent & saved 1 trillion is used to pay off the debt then the debt can be brought down to nothingness in the future; so the real problem is that different factions of the population don't want to give up & cut their favorite spending, be it warfare or welfare

There are many conspiracy theorists out there who simply don't understand economics & the nature of money, interest & debt OR are simply lying to agitate people to make money off people or to gain fame; here's the basic understanding of it - http://mises.org/daily/4569

Another widespread MYTH amongst conspiracy theorists is that "government pays interest to Fed"
Well, yes, it does & what happens next? Well, the Fed hands over nearly all of its "profits" to Treasury/government so basically, interest "paid" to Fed comes right back to government anyway - http://mises.org/daily/4029