Libertarian National Convention

acroso said:
I support state's rights anyway and sovereignty. If people want to ban oral sex at the state level, I support their right to do that. That goes for gay marriage too. I am personally for gay marriage but I have no problem with people determining their own laws.

All of this is better done at the state level.
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Umm, banning oral sex on the state level or any level is not, and should not be, a right that can be legislated away. The government has no place in our bedrooms!

As for the LP Convention, I think I can back Barr since he is now the candidate, but I would like to hear more from him. I like Root as he is dynamic and articulate and wish he would have won. Ruwart would have been interesting as a nominee as Clinton is fading fast and feminists would like to vote for a woman - but I suspect Clinton voters would not tend to vote for any Libertarian.

Just my thoughts. I love the Ron Paul write in votes at the LP convention and the fellow with the V for vendetta mask on.
 
I am grateful for Barr's ringing endorsement of Ron Paul during his intro at the PAC
 
Yom said:
Forget the VP, s/he'll be irrelevant, really. It's Barr who's going to get all the media coverage and have all the influence. Third party VPs get almost no coverage. I wish Ruwart would take the spot to unite the party, but she's passed the buck to Kubby. I like him, but he could hurt the party because of his strong record on marijuana. I'm all for its legalization, but Republicans who don't want to support McCain may hesitate supporting Barr because of him.
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Wait, I thought Barr was all pro-marijuana now? I thought he lobbied for the Marijuana Policy Project? Oh right, that's all just an act.
 
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Hurricane Bruiser said:
Umm, banning oral sex on the state level or any level is not, and should not be, a right that can be legislated away. The government has no place in our bedrooms!

As for the LP Convention, I think I can back Barr since he is now the candidate, but I would like to hear more from him. I like Root as he is dynamic and articulate and wish he would have won. Ruwart would have been interesting as a nominee as Clinton is fading fast and feminists would like to vote for a woman - but I suspect Clinton voters would not tend to vote for any Libertarian.

Just my thoughts. I love the Ron Paul write in votes at the LP convention and the fellow with the V for vendetta mask on.
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"should not" or "can't be"

I imagine Scalia would let them do it!
 
I really hope Daniel E. Williams steals the VP nomination, he endorsed Barr and has written two excellent books on the War on Drugs.
 
Peace&Freedom said:
Ah, memories. I was on that LP stage four years ago, making one of the nominating speeches for Aaron Russo for President (where I asked the convention to 'take the red pill,' and go with a different-than-usual choice). This year I leaned towards Ruwart at the end, but can't say I'm displeased with the choice of Barr. His nomination practically helps the Paul Revolution tremendously in 5 ways:

One, it virtually insures a McCain defeat in November, which will make it MUCH easier for the Ron Paul Republicans to start transforming the GOP, IF that's possible. A McCain election victory would have given that movement no real chance for party reform; now it does have a chance.

Two, it sets up a 1-2 punch to the Republican Party to move it in a pro-liberty direction, with libertarian pressure being applied to it from both within (from the RPRs) and without (the spoiler role the LP will have this year).

Three, because it will be the LP taking the heat for playing spoiler, it accordingly takes the heat OFF the Paulites within the GOP from being scapegoated if/when McCain loses.

Four, Barr will continue many or most of the Paul themes through the election, thus keeping the Paul movement's impact on politics going strong through the end of 2008.

And Five, the Barr nomination partially revives the theoretical possibility Republicans could toss over McCain as their nominee by or at the GOP convention, since the writing should already be on the wall for rank and file Republicans that Mac is dead s a doornail.

Not a bad day for liberty at all. Barr/Root LP08!!
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+1
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect_Arizona_Now

Passed with 56% of the vote even though both Senators, the Governor, AZ GOP, AZ Democratic Party all opposed it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_187

Passed with 58.8% of the vote in California.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/04/28/daily31.html?ana=from_rss

Arpaio is known throughout the state for deporting illegal immigrants. Has an approval rating of 59%. The mayor opposes his actions and has a 42% approval rating.

http://hr.blr.com/news.aspx?id=76167

The liberal governor of Arizona signed into law the immigration bill. If she hadn't she knew she would be voted out.

You can have different opinions on the issue of immigration, fine. But do NOT say it is not an important issue, especially to the people of the Southwest. I've lived here, I know it is. And it being an issue has basically zero to do with what someone says on Fox News or whatever. The state has changed drastically over the past couple decades because of illegal immigration, and a lot of people are mad about it.
 
crazyfingers said:
You're right. The issue that "matters" most is the Federal Reserve and the devaluation of the dollar. Unfortunately Bob Barr and his cronies don't care about that.
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Right, that's why Barr introduced an amendment to withdraw us from the IMF when we were debating their quota increase. :rolleyes:

Read the article in my sig why I like Barr. :)
 
We could get rid of our immigration laws like Ruwart wants and let 500 million Chinese immigrants in here in a week who will vote for liberals wanting to re-distribute our wealth immediately.

Some people just don't get it.

NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY.

Does she even want a county at all?

Maybe it can just be like giant hotel where whoever can just show up and live and leave whenever they want.

We have 6 billion people and almost all the wealth is concentrated here or in the EU....you don't think that the entire world would be here in a nano-second if we do the no border thing?

Protect property, enforce the law, that's what the government is for!
 
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Here's a quote from a Ruwart page I just found. The question was about a flood of immigrants coming in:

"Immigrants leave their culture behind and come to a land where the customs and language are often very different. They have a great deal of courage and perseverance to undertake such a move. They are more likely to be `makers' instead of `takers.' However, if our system rewards loafers rather than producers, our country will deteriorate as both native-born Americans and new immigrants choose welfare over work."

This tells me she understands what's at stake. What I see happening mostly with the illegals is, they want to work here, but really just want to send the money home. They don't even want to be citizens because they can have a better life back home with the money they've earned here.

I say, get the LP to be against illegal immigration and get her to adopt that. Then get her as VP.

FF
 
"Immigrants leave their culture behind and come to a land where the customs and language are often very different. They have a great deal of courage and perseverance to undertake such a move. They are more likely to be `makers' instead of `takers.' However, if our system rewards loafers rather than producers, our country will deteriorate as both native-born Americans and new immigrants choose welfare over work."

I generally agree with that statement in that they are good workers and that a limited amount of LEGAL immigrants are vaulable. Unfortunately they almost always vote for leftists.

Not to mention....when you can vote yourself "stuff" and they begin with nothing....OF COURSE THEY'LL VOTE TO GIVE THEMSELVES STUFF.

If we had no borders....we could get a 1 billion third worlders who want our money in a heart beat.




Protect property, kill known terrorists and criminals, cut taxes. That's the ticket!
 
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I agree, I don't want people to come in too fast. The problem is, new immigrants need to assimilate. They also need to understand that the government must take money from someone else to give to them, THERE IS NO FREE RIDE. Democrats need to understand this too, or anyone that wants something from the government.

FF
 
bobbarr2008.com video stream up for VP debate/votes

just started

Ruwart is endorsing Steve Kubby

Nevermind, I meant the feed from bobbarr2008.com
 
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majinkoola said:
Again, you have zero idea what you're talking about. Have you been to Arizona? 47% of legal Mexican-Americans voted for the bill outlawing business hiring illegal immigrants. That percentage was much higher in the rest of the population..
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So that means the majority of 53% of legal Mexican-Americans voted against the bill outlawing business hiring illegal immigrants.

Read what BJ Lawson says on his blog

http://blog.lawsonforcongress.com/category/bj-lawson/

Folks, gas will not stop at $3.50. It will not stop at $4.00. Your grocery bill is not done going up. It’s not that the gas and food are that much more valuable, it’s that your dollars buy a lot less gas and food. Our government is borrowing and printing so much money that the green stuff in your pocket doesn’t buy as much on global markets. Maybe your standard of living isn’t affected yet — great, that’s fantastic for you. But get your concealed carry permit, and prepare to absorb the cost of increased police protection when increasingly desperate members of society turn to crime to satisfy basic needs.
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I don't know about you but I would rather let the illegal immigrants keep their jobs than to have more criminals out on the street...which is what will inevitably happen to many illegals who lose their job, become increasingly desperate as BJ says and refuse or can't afford to go back home.
 
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