Libertarian National Convention

[rockandrollsouls]

I wasn't preaching and I had no idea what you meant. Maybe you need to stop taking short cuts lol. Chill out, take a breath. Quit being so oversensitive.

I'm fine. I'm just stating that I don't like when people try to twist new meaning out of what I say or manipulate it. You know what I meant by gay rights, you didn't need to go off on a tangent and give me an entire theory behind why I shouldn't say gay rights. I don't tell you how to do your job, so please don't tell me how to do mine

Maybe I should overanalyze your statement as well. Don't use "lol" in a sentence. It's not proper grammar. By using lol you are misreading the reader. blah blah blah come on it's unnecessary.

 

[familydog]

I'm fine. I'm just stating that I don't like when people try to twist new meaning out of what I say or manipulate it. You know what I meant by gay rights, you didn't need to go off on a tangent and give me an entire theory behind why I shouldn't say gay rights. I don't tell you how to do your job, so please don't tell me how to do mine

Once again, I have no idea what you're talking about. But I'll play along

 

[acroso]

gay

Should 2 male farm animals also be called a mating pair?

The issue that people, including me, have against gay marriage, is that marriage is something between a man and a woman. Period. There is nothing wrong with choosing a different word. Why can't gays, who demand respect, have enough respect for heterosexuals, that they create and use their own special word, instead of purposefully causing offense to those that hold the word so dear. The world has not run out of useful words, go make your own, "marriage" belongs to heterosexual couples only. Stop being such damned hypocrites demanding the world show you the same respect when you fight so hard to redefine something so special to others.

Are you basing that on a religious belief of some sort? Christians don't go around trying to protect the "sanctity of tort law" or "sanctity of the 1040W."


Otherwise all marriage is is an economic contract, and a VERY strong one at that.. Why shouldn't gays be able to participate. We redefine and broaden laws on economic contracts all the time especially ones that are unjust and discriminatory like our marriage laws.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Once again, I have no idea what you're talking about. But I'll play along

I'm basically telling me don't lecture me on word choice. Got it?

 

[forsmant]

I thought it was called monogamy.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Are you basing that on a religious belief of some sort?

Otherwise all marriage is an economic contract, and a VERY strong one at that.. Why shouldn't gays be able to participate. We redefine and broaden laws on economic contracts all the time especially ones that are unjust and discriminatory like our marriage laws.

Then your argument simply reinforces mine. Not that I agree with you in any degree whatsoever. But if you truly believe marriage is nothing more than an economic contract, then there is no issue with gays using a different word. Ford, Chevy, they're both vehicles, cars, transports, but only CERTAIN ones are TRUCKS, or CARS etc...

The word marriage has a definition. We should keep it that way.

And if you're truly a follower of Ron Paul, you'd know that he does not buy your argument. Nor do I.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Your point was that immigration was not a big issue for Arizonans. I have overwhelmingly refuted that. Live in the state for a year, then talk. It's talked about in the news and among people all the time.

Ok, ok....I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I don't live in Arizona....although I still can't figure out why the Arizonans who hate illegal immigration so much keep re-electing McAmnesty.

Anyway....what do you and the rest of members reading this post think about what BJ Lawson said and my comments?

http://blog.lawsonforcongress.com/category/bj-lawson/

Folks, gas will not stop at $3.50. It will not stop at $4.00. Your grocery bill is not done going up. It’s not that the gas and food are that much more valuable, it’s that your dollars buy a lot less gas and food. Our government is borrowing and printing so much money that the green stuff in your pocket doesn’t buy as much on global markets. Maybe your standard of living isn’t affected yet — great, that’s fantastic for you. But get your concealed carry permit, and prepare to absorb the cost of increased police protection when increasingly desperate members of society turn to crime to satisfy basic needs.

My comments

I don't know about you but I would rather let the illegal immigrants keep their jobs than to have more criminals out on the street...which is what will inevitably happen to many illegals who lose their job, become increasingly desperate as BJ says and refuse or can't afford to go back home.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Please cite your sources. Bob Barr has admitted to his past mistakes. The fact of the matter is your precious Libertarian party has never gotten anything done, and this is a contributing reason as to why the country is spiraling out of control. Bob Barr is a godsend because he will create progress in the party. You can hate him all you want, but don't ignorantly lie about his positions. It's rude and uncalled for. As for me, I'm looking forward to seeing the Lib. Party actually accomplish something.

It's better to get NOTHING ACCOMPLISHED than to give up your principles!

Bob Bar is a neo-con who supports the idea of a huge sales tax, refuses to state if he still supports the War on Drugs (no mention of it on his website), and refuses to speak up about countless important issues.

His nomination just killed the Libertarian Party.

Now it's not about Liberty, but pragmatism.

 

[DrSpock]

Should 2 male farm animals also be called a mating pair?

The issue that people, including me, have against gay marriage, is that marriage is something between a man and a woman. Period. There is nothing wrong with choosing a different word. Why can't gays, who demand respect, have enough respect for heterosexuals, that they create and use their own special word, instead of purposefully causing offense to those that hold the word so dear. The world has not run out of useful words, go make your own, "marriage" belongs to heterosexual couples only. Stop being such damned hypocrites demanding the world show you the same respect when you fight so hard to redefine something so special to others.

Surely you understand that the system gives married couples financial benefits. Do you believe that gay couples are not entitled to the same benefits as other couples?

 

[rajibo]

His nomination just killed the Libertarian Party.

The Libertarian Party was already dead.

 

[Menthol Patch]

You are right! It was almost dead when the platform was gutted a while back.

The LP has been taken over by neo-cons.

 

[majinkoola]

So long as the relatively few who come here send money back home (and we're not stupid enough to follow policies retarding remittances), the relative imbalances would narrow and the marginal change would be to ameliorate the factors encouraging immigration here.

That would work if Mexico were a free society. People could have sent trillions upon trillions of dollars into the Soviet Union and everyone would have still remained poor.

And this also assumes that Mexicans believe that Americans have a right to the Southwest. With the way we took it, I know many who believe the land is rightfully theirs (which they have a point but I don't want to give up the land).

I know there'd be a ton of tension, as there already is even though immigration isn't near what it would be. A lot of people in Arizona were pissed about those marches a couple years back. And a lot of immigrants are pissed off at people like Arpaio for deporting so many illegal immigrants. There's a very good chance it would spiral into Mexican-American War v. II.

 

[qh4dotcom]

It's better to get NOTHING ACCOMPLISHED than to give up your principles!

Bob Bar is a neo-con who supports the idea of a huge sales tax, refuses to state if he still supports the War on Drugs (no mention of it on his website), and refuses to speak up about countless important issues.

His nomination just killed the Libertarian Party.

Now it's not about Liberty, but pragmatism.

It's a tough choice.....but the Democrats and Republicans have nominated the wrong candidate in the past and they're still very popular....My guess is that few people will remember this Libertarian Party mistake in 2012 and will focus more on who the candidate is in 2012, not who the candidate was in 2008.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You are right! It was almost dead when the platform was gutted a while back.

The LP has been taken over by neo-cons.

Wrong. Simply your opinion. Bob Barr is a great vehicle for spreading liberty and freedom. Again, I'd say you are just as bad for letting the neocons and socialists transform the country. Bob Barr can prevent it from happening further.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Bob Barr is nothing but a neo-con. He cannot spread liberty and freedom when he does not believe in it! He believes in throwing people in prison for putting substances into their own body!

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Bob Barr is nothing but a neo-con. He cannot spread liberty and freedom when he does not believe in it! He believes in throwing people in prison for putting substances into their own body!

Wrong. Please research his position on this issue. I'd appreciate you not preaching about something you have not researched. This is simply your opinion based on "things you've heard". Please provide sources that support your opinion of Barr currently supporting the imprisonment of drug users.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Surely you understand that the system gives married couples financial benefits. Do you believe that gay couples are not entitled to the same benefits as other couples?

No, I absolutely believe they are entitled to equally have whatever benefits are around. But when woman fought for equal rights, they never asked to be called MEN! Marriage is a man and a woman. If a man and a man want to get together, I have no issue with it, but please don't call it something it is not. It is not marriage and we shouldn't call it that.

 

[Menthol Patch]

I found this article.

He still supports the drug war. He just wants to change strategies.

http://www.mpp.org/states/district-of-columbia/news/marijuana-project-parties-1.html

He is still an absolute neo-con. True Libertarians support legalizing all drugs immediately.

Also, he says NOTHING about the RIGHT of every citizen to put whatever they want to into their own bodies.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Until he states on his website that he supports the legalization of all drugs I'm going to keep on saying that he supports putting innocent people in prison.

 

[majinkoola]

Ok, ok....I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I don't live in Arizona....although I still can't figure out why the Arizonans who hate illegal immigration so much keep re-electing McAmnesty.

Sorry I got worked up. I respect open borders opinions, I just don't agree with them. The one thing that frustrates me is when people dismiss closed borders ideas as just racist talk or something (I'm not saying you did). I think like the pro-life/pro-choice issue, there's principled arguments on both sides. That's why the party of principle isn't unanimously open borders or pro-choice. And that's why a lot of open borders, pro-choice people can support Paul; he stands on principle.

And look at Ruwart's book. She avoided the immigration and abortion issues, for good reason. Those issues aren't as clear cut as the others.