Libertarian national convention May 27–30 in Orlando (Official thread)

[r3volution 3.0]

It's like a significant faction in the LP wants to lose and never be taken seriously.

That's exactly how it is.

And it's a problem in the liberty movement generally, not just the LP.

A lot of people want to be edgy lifestyle libertarians more than they care about actual political change.

We all know the liberty movement needs to attract new members...

...but it also needs to shed some existing ones.

This stupid shit reflects on all of us and undermines serious political activity.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Sad I guess this site really will become Trump Forums.

You mean it's not already?

 

[cajuncocoa]

The republican party controls who is in the debates. The LP is not allowed in the debates. Until that happens it doesn't matter what the LP does.

Exactly. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[William Tell]

It's like a significant faction in the LP wants to lose and never be taken seriously.

The majority it seems. A gun grabber for VP? I mean really???

 

[cajuncocoa]

Darrell Castle 2016!

This!

Nope. Sticking with LP ...my reasons match torch's. I'm not a party-over-principle voter, but (1) GJ isn't going to even win one state, and (2) this is about moving things forward for the future. Maybe if the liberty-minded people had stayed in the LP instead of trying (in vain) to take over the GOP there would have been a better candidate than GJ for the past 2 cycles, but this is what you get (there are only so many of us, after all)...Liberty-minded people abandoned the LP for the GOP; we got Bob Barr once and Gary Johnson for the LP twice, and didn't even get Ron or Rand for the GOP nomination in 3x trying.

I tried to tell y'all 4 years ago: the GOP doesn't want us.

 

[afwjam]

stripper chairman was the highlight of todays proceedings

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Nope. Sticking with LP ...my reasons match torch's. I'm not a party-over-principle voter, but (1) GJ isn't going to even win one state, and (2) this is about moving things forward for the future. Maybe if the liberty-minded people had stayed in the LP instead of trying (in vain) to take over the GOP there would have been a better candidate than GJ for the past 2 cycles, but this is what you get (there are only so many of us, after all)...Liberty-minded people abandoned the LP for the GOP; we got Bob Barr once and Gary Johnson for the LP twice, and didn't even get Ron or Rand for the GOP nomination in 3x trying.

I tried to tell y'all 4 years ago: the GOP doesn't want us.

Grab the Guns and Bake the Cakes; I'm tired of loosing. Dempublicarian party 2016!

The "Libertarian" party really missed the boat though, they should have been nominating Bush and Obama so they could get into the debates.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

stripper chairman was the highlight of todays proceedings

Sad but true.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If you can't debate without being personally-insulting, you have no argument at all.

Imitation is such flattery. Cute of you to copy what I sent you in the neg-rep you earned, both here, and in the retaliatory neg-rep you gave me. Difference is, I did not insult you; you cannot say the same.

Calling someone a POS isn't an "argument" and it's not a "fact". It's your opinion, but it's an incredibly goofy one, considering the authoritarian who you're supporting.

I have stated numerous times, and given links, to substantiate that opinion of Johnson and Weld.

Yes you are. You've been pimping Trump for months. You pimp Trump, and you call other candidates names, all under the guide of "correcting lies" and "telling the truth".

No guise. I recall that recent interview in which many here were claiming Trump held a position that was not proven by the interview at all. So yeah, to refute them was telling the truth.

Case in point.

Exhibit A.

Exhibit A of what? You lost.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Grab the Guns and Bake the Cakes; I'm tired of loosing. Dempublicarian party 2016!

The "Libertarian" party really missed the boat though, they should have been nominating Bush and Obama so they could get into the debates.

I agree they missed the boat, but I don't get your sarcasm about Obama and Bush. We're going to get another ObamaBush even if the LP didn't field a candidate in 2016.

 

[69360]

The majority it seems. A gun grabber for VP? I mean really???

I think his credibility as a governor brings more to the ticket than one past policy you don't agree with. He's not going to be vpotus, we all know that, so the whole he's gonna take yer guns thing is a moot point.

I agree they missed the boat, but I don't get your sarcasm about Obama and Bush. We're going to get another ObamaBush even if the LP didn't field a candidate in 2016.

But maybe, 4 or 8 years from now we won't. A legitimate third party ticket is at least a step in the right direction.

 

[Matt Collins]

This fat guy has every right to strip at the convention.

No he doesn't... the most appalling thing about this is that Party leadership did not have the mic cut off and removed him from the stage immediately.

Every group of people have some that will pull a stunt like this. The LP's problem is that a large portion of their people don't understand basic human interaction and why this isn't a good idea. The even bigger problem is that the LP didn't have enough control over their convention to toss this guy.... I mean they even let him have the mic again when he was done.....


This is a private organization and it was well within their authority to toss him when he started this.

 

[cajuncocoa]

No he doesn't... the most appalling thing about this is that Party leadership did not have the mic cut off and removed him from the stage immediately.

Every group of people have some that will pull a stunt like this. The LP's problem is that a large portion of their people don't understand basic human interaction and why this isn't a good idea. The even bigger problem is that the LP didn't have enough control over their convention to toss this guy.... I mean they even let him have the mic again when he was done.....


This is a private organization and it was well within their authority to toss him when he started this.

Libertarians aren't stuffy like blue-haired Republicans. I'll bet most people in that room thought it was funny. Oh, wait...excuse me. Republican women would never dye their hair bright blue.

 

[cajuncocoa]

But maybe, 4 or 8 years from now we won't. A legitimate third party ticket is at least a step in the right direction.

That's what I'm hoping too.

 

[phill4paul]

I was quoting what a speaker said at the LP CONVENTION. If you don't like it, TOUGH! I have taken the time to listen; if all you can do is to insult me for doing it, then you can go to Hell.

Fine wit dat...Asking nothing, leave me be...

 

[phill4paul]

Amen. The people in that room have had the dedication to stay engaged. Those of us who tried to somehow meld into the Republican mob since 2007 can whine all we want to. But look now! - the LP actually means something and we kind of missed the boat.

Honestly, with a small amount of foresight we could have raised enough funds and awareness and Torchbearer could have been our presidential nominee.

 

[phill4paul]

If you didn't bother to participate in that process, and you are bitching about it, what does that make you?

She's not defending principles. She's defending her position for supporting Trump. Trying to antagonize you because she also chose a non-principled candidate. Non-principled candidates abound in this election cycle.

 

[phill4paul]

Will write in Ron Paul.

Again.

Looking more and more ^^^ THIS. At least one delegate in the first round had the balls to do so.

 

[opal]

This just in
copy/pasted from a FB post




Per Alicia Dearn:
"I learned that the poll companies and CPD stated that they wouldn't include libertarians without Weld. They've agreed to include us if he's the pick. No Weld, and we get shut out again.
The GJ campaign didn't ask me to quit or tell me that. I got that message directly from someone outside the party.
We can't fight for Liberty with our hands tied behind our backs. So I asked Weld to swear to me that he wouldn't screw us. And he did. He seemed sincere. I said real libertarians need a seat at the table and I got his, Gary's and Ron's word that we would not be shut out and that our principles would be protected.
I did it so that we can have ballot access and make gains for all down line libertarians.
It was force by non-libertarians but I took it so we can stop force and oppression going forward.
It was awful. I'm not bullish on Weld and I was honest about that. But we need to advance for the sake of liberty and the sake of our country. I'd like to add that I learned this over the lunch recess while I was working on my speech. I was fully prepared to move ahead and kick ass."


so.. stupidity AND blackmail

Gary.. get off the island!

 

[The Rebel Poet]

This just in
copy/pasted from a FB post




Per Alicia Dearn:
"I learned that the poll companies and CPD stated that they wouldn't include libertarians without Weld. They've agreed to include us if he's the pick. No Weld, and we get shut out again.
The GJ campaign didn't ask me to quit or tell me that. I got that message directly from someone outside the party.
We can't fight for Liberty with our hands tied behind our backs. So I asked Weld to swear to me that he wouldn't screw us. And he did. He seemed sincere. I said real libertarians need a seat at the table and I got his, Gary's and Ron's word that we would not be shut out and that our principles would be protected.
I did it so that we can have ballot access and make gains for all down line libertarians.
It was force by non-libertarians but I took it so we can stop force and oppression going forward.
It was awful. I'm not bullish on Weld and I was honest about that. But we need to advance for the sake of liberty and the sake of our country. I'd like to add that I learned this over the lunch recess while I was working on my speech. I was fully prepared to move ahead and kick ass."


so.. stupidity AND blackmail

Gary.. get off the island!

Oh, well if he gave his word.