Libertarian Julie Borowski vs. the Leftist-Libertarian Thought Police

OK, here's a criticism for the men here, and for all men in general. You guys may not make decisions based on emotions, as many women do. But at times, all of you CAN be bamboozled when sex appeal is used as a marketing tool. Hence, the drooling over Julie. :rolleyes:

Dunno if I'd drool over her; but I will say this, Julie seems to be a wonderful young lady.
 
Tom and Julie are right. Women's brains simply are wired differently...

Who cares?

Who cares, who cares, who cares?

We already know how to win over those of either sex who have a liberal bent. We know this. You tell them that the Ninth and Tenth Amendments guarantee that corporations that want to run the country need to buy fifty state legislatures, while centralized federal power means corporations that want to run the country can save time and money by going to Washington for one stop shopping. Therefore, we should minimize Washington and leave regulation and such up to the states whenever and wherever humanly possible. Why make it easy for the corporatists?

It works. Time and time again. In fact, you can tell a liberal troll from a liberal with an open mind by telling them this, and seeing if they agree or if they try to play it down any way they can. It works.

We don't have enough scientific knowledge to explain why and we're fools to attempt it anyway. We have an argument both logical and emotional that works on everyone who isn't trying to defend a dogma just to defend it. Instead of playing with these amusing age old, unanswerable questions and beating ourselves off, we should be busy spreading the argument proven to work. Don't make it easy for the corporatists. Insist Washington be minimized so they can't do one-stop shopping. Done.

Anything else is just attention whoring.
 
Tell me about it, I work for a cellular provider in my area, and I have to deal with upset males who purchased phones/plans from a pair of breasts and a flirtatious attitude everyday. (Please ladies of RPF, don't chew my head off, the girls I work with are very open about how they go about their sales practices, I'm not dramatizing.) I'm not saying every female that works for my company is like that, but most of them are, because it works unfortunately. It drives me up a wall because it may mean numbers now, but it causes so many headaches in the end. But, as the saying goes 'sex sells'.

Guys are hypnotized by flirtatious attractive females to do stupid things? Isnt this story as old as time?
 
Guys are hypnotized by flirtatious attractive females to do stupid things? Isnt this story as old as time?
Which is the counter point that was being made earlier, I was just adding my personal experience with the phenomena. LOL
 
OK, here's a criticism for the men here, and for all men in general. You guys may not make decisions based on emotions, as many women do. But at times, all of you CAN be bamboozled when sex appeal is used as a marketing tool. Hence, the drooling over Julie. :rolleyes:

You mean WILL be bamboozled? I bet her inbox is maxed out on a daily basis with messages from lonely pathetic guys trying to swoon her. She probably gets 20+ times more messages in one day than Ron Paul and Tom Woods combined.
 
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OK, here's a criticism for the men here, and for all men in general. You guys may not make decisions based on emotions, as many women do. But at times, all of you CAN be bamboozled when sex appeal is used as a marketing tool. Hence, the drooling over Julie. :rolleyes:

That's true, as well.
 
That's why this is a good site. We can speak the truth on stereotypes, and not be banned as 'haters' for it.
 
You mean WILL be bamboozled? I bet her inbox is maxed out on a daily basis with messages from lonely pathetic guys trying to swoon her. She probably gets 20+ times more messages in one day than Ron Paul and Tom Woods combined.
I'll bet you're right. And if the general population of men (as opposed to right-leaning libertarian guys who already agree with her) watched this video, 80% of them will drool in spite of not being able to answer questions about what she said.

And now you know why women want the expensive makeup and fashions. Many of us think that marketing can help us compete with the Julie's of the world.
 
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For example, the view that "Women buy the propaganda that the state is their daddy and that it will keep them safe. The state uses their biology against them" (an actual quote from someone on Facebook responding to the same article Tom is responding to) is patently insulting and does more to drive off women from this movement than "biological differences" ever could. It smacks of oversimplification, which is what a lot of libertarians do when forced to answer the tough questions about capitalism, race/gender relations, and even the nature of authority itself in a few cases.

I also find it mildly amusing how Caplan is using the Meyers-Briggs Test to confirm his views. That test is nothing more than pop psychology, and it is notoriously shoddy in methodology and a whole bunch of other things. It really should not be used for any serious psychological analysis. Some sources even fully categorize it as pseudoscience.

It is certainly true that libertarians tend to be "scientific" and over-analytical, and often ignore how someone will personally take another person analyzing them or making generalizations.

For example, people taking offense at the suggestion that woman may tend to look to the state to take care of them does not come to mind when making the observation. Lack of awareness of how others may take something is especially stereotypical of Myers-Briggs NT types. ;)

Back to the "analysis" again, if we look at the healthcare debate, I will go out on limb and say that it is an issue that is more important to woman. Ensuring that everyone has access to healthcare is going to resonate more with women than men. The party that promises to provide it to everyone is going to attract voters based on that. Obviously, government playing Santa Claus to constituents is usually a winning strategy for statists. It boils down to who gets the presents that they want. Welfare is another handout that generally targets woman, so much so that it's pretty much standard procedure in the "industry" to insist that men (husbands, fathers) not be part of the picture in order to receive benefits.

What do men like? They like to play soldier. They like to play cops and robbers. Even if they don't directly get jobs from the government in those areas, they will tend to support parties that cater to them with rhetoric and spending.

The idea that government shouldn't be doing any of these things probably doesn't have a male/female bias. It's the sales pitches (propaganda) for big government that cater to certain demographics.

Myers-Briggs is brought up with regard to these issues as it is basically a poll of certain preferences, and as with any poll, it can be broken down by demographics. It is nothing more than a categorization. Now the "indicator" tests are terribly flawed, and often give erroneous results. But those who study Myers-Briggs look at large sample sizes, where trends can be determined more accurately. Myers-Briggs as a categorization is no more or less scientific than "animal-vegetable-mineral".

And the MB statistics on men and women in no way state that all men or all women are one way or another. Everyone is an individual, and can be any type. There is a slight gender bias in the T/F component, but that is a generalization, and does not apply to any given individual.

Hopefully this isn't all "patently insulting". I wouldn't know for sure. That's a blind spot in my Myers-Briggs type. ;)
 
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I don't see how Julie expects to be successful converting women when she makes the same arguments that conservatives do in order to shut out women from a message of more liberty for all. I think her video amounts to patting male and rightist libertarians on the back, chalking women's lack of response up to physiological differences between the two sexes, when it is in fact true that many women in this movement are treated in a sub-par manner. I think every female libertarian can tell a "creepertarian" story... in fact, there are plenty of anecdotes to be had from this topic! The height of irony.

For example, the view that "Women buy the propaganda that the state is their daddy and that it will keep them safe. The state uses their biology against them" (an actual quote from someone on Facebook responding to the same article Tom is responding to) is patently insulting and does more to drive off women from this movement than "biological differences" ever could. It smacks of oversimplification, which is what a lot of libertarians do when forced to answer the tough questions about capitalism, race/gender relations, and even the nature of authority itself in a few cases.


I don't think Julie's sole purpose in the video was to convert women, it was just her view of the 'truth' why there aren't as many Libertarian women, she was sharing that with her audience which is obviously more male. I don't see harm in that.

I agree with the "creeptarian" comment, it's something male Libertarians should be more mindful of.
 
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I'll bet you're right. And if the general population of men (as opposed to right-leaning libertarian guys who already agree with her) watched this video, 80% of them will drool in spite of not being able to answer questions about what she said.

And now you know why women want the expensive makeup and fashions. Many of us think that marketing can help us compete with the Julie's of the world.


I bet Im right. I dont think a random youtube male with less than average talent and a speech impediment (not to demean her) could be as popular let alone get Tom Woods to publish a glowing review.
 
I bet Im right. I dont think a random youtube male with less than average talent and a speech impediment (not to demean her) could be as popular let alone get Tom Woods to publish a glowing review.
I'll bet you're right on that as well. +rep
 
My favorite liberty gal is Katherine Memole, who used to host a show on Ron Paul Radio. Don't think I've ever seen a video featuring her though, just stills.

Julie is nice enough, but her earlier videos weren't so highly edited/animated. The newer ones can be a little annoyingly overdone as a lot of modern editing seems to be.
 
There are a lot of emotional arguments to be made for libertarianism, but it seems those are not as...widespread. That is one thing 17th and 18th century radical liberals got correct - use EMOTION to drive home points.

Agree. We are losing the PR/marketing/propaganda war.

For an ironic travesty of how the left statists have brainwashed the masses, one need look no farther than the issue of slavery. No other political philosophy is more opposed to slavery than libertarianism. Yet, through deceitful propaganda, the left statists have convinced many people that libertarians are racists and support slavery.

Now that's a successful propaganda campaign, when they can convince people that up is down, and down is up, fire is cold, and ice is hot.
 
I know the video is entitled "Why aren't there more FEMALE liberterians" but honestly, I was viewing the video more as "Why aren't there more libertarians in general." That's what I got out of it. Why aren't there more liberterians, period? We need to crowd out all of this other JUNK and push it into view. Freedom is popular.
 
If a libertarian doesn't extol the virtues of capitalism...
How's that even libertarian then?

While it is true that both men and women are being deprived of liberty, I don't think anyone can honestly argue that the magnitude of this deprivation has been the same.
Yeah? If anything men are deprived of liberty more than women, thanks to certain quotas, affirmative action type laws, discrimination in child custody cases, etc...

Libertarianism doesn't deal with social norms, as long as they are not enforced by the state. Your feminist worldview has nothing to do with libertarianism, as long as you don't want the state to intervene, at which point it goes against libertarian ideals.

If controlled for all variables unmarried men and unmarried women earn just as much for the same job. Actually even slightly less. Again discrimination against men? Married men tend to earn more than unmarried men, while for women the opposite is true. So the whole "discrimination" argument falls apart. It's the result of different choices men and women tend to make in their lifes. I have no desire to change other people's goals in life, as long as any individual woman who wants to focus on her career instead of family is able to do so (as is the case). That gap between married men and women is closing too, btw. Also, anyone who understands free market economics knows before he even sees empirical studies that discrimination based on gender is not a suitable long term business model.

Yeah there are problems that affect women more than men. And vice versa. The truth is, non of them are really important or significant. That whole issue is way overblown.

Also I don't see why this position would count as "right-wing". What's right about that? Being mindlessly pro-women on every issue = left, stating facts = right? What's the difference between right and left libertarianism? There's no such thing, imho.
 
Which is the counter point that was being made earlier, I was just adding my personal experience with the phenomena. LOL

Yes. It is quite a pathetic sight to stomach. Her success wouldnt be possible without the countless virgins and lonely men on the internet. Im not impressed with her at all compared to the unsung, much brighter, talented, and deserving of more attention males ive seen, but she helps spread liberty. Goes to show how easy it is to fill empty voids where theres a lot of males who need to be serviced by scantly clad flirtatious girls who share their views. Shes like the one girl who shows up at a star trek convention. Cant blame her though. I would help serve that market if i was a female. I wonder if shell ever do a striptease video...for liberty of course.
 
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Yes. It is quite a pathetic sight to stomach. Her success wouldnt be possible without the countless virgins and lonely men on the internet.

There appears to be just as many unambitious haters on the internet who offer nothing but the desire to tear others down.
 
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