Libertarian George Phillies may be on the ballot in NH & MA

Who would you vote for?


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I like his "Peace" and "Prosperity" platforms, but in the end, he still will never get my vote. He supports the murder of the defenseless unborn. He's willing to eliminate the national debt (a "tax on our grandchildren," as he calls it), but he's not willing to eliminate national deaths (abortion, the "ax to our grandchildren"), and thereby, his whole campaign falls to the dust. If he can't defend life, how then can he support liberty? In my opinion, preserving our country's posterity is the key to advancing our nation's prosperity.

Murder is killing another human being. I don't "murder" the contents of my bowels when I go to the bathroom, I "evict" it. Whose DNA it might contain makes no difference.


So? He's splitting the vote after he LOST the f'n nomination. This is a complete disrespect for the LP.

I support the LP, but you need to understand that the (big-L) Libertarian Party doesn't hold a monopoly on (small-l) libertarian politics. I fully support other pro-freedom candidates, and it doesn't really matter by what means they get on the ballot.

Unity would be beneficial in getting Bob Barr into televised debates with McBamas and (hypothetically speaking) if Barr starts polling in high 20%'s, but aside from that competition for the libertarian vote is beneficial. A pragmatist candidate like Barr can bring in the fiscal conservatives unhappy with McCain. A purist anarcho-capitalist candidate can bring in the radicals who otherwise won't vote. Etc.
 
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This whole George Phillies business is a classic case of the LP cutting off its nose to spite its face. Phillies lost the nomination process - nominating him in spite of that doesn't help anyone, because it just renders the LP's chances null and void. The LP will never progress if it stays within the defeatist intellectual framework of "its impossible to win, let's just make a statement". The LP has potential - as a real, live political party, it just needs to accept political reality. George Phillies is probably a great guy, but he needs to own up to the strategic error that is his acceptance of this nomination.

And Phillies is supposedly affiliated with the Libertarian Reform Caucus? You wouldn't know it from what's going on in NH.
 
We should all support a Libertarian presidential candidate whose PAC continues to give money to neocon Republicans

Donate to liberty-minded candidates, then.

and a vice-presidential candidate who called Ron Paul "naive and weak" on foreign policy and called McCain/Lieberman 08 a "dream ticket".

Bob Barr's job is President. Root's job is making speeches, sometimes.

Oh, and that "Millionaire Republican" blog item didn't load. I just got one paragraph. So I don't know why he called McCain-Lieberman a "dream ticket" and I can't agree or disagree with you.
 
Donate to liberty-minded candidates, then.



Bob Barr's job is President. Root's job is making speeches, sometimes.

Oh, and that "Millionaire Republican" blog item didn't load. I just got one paragraph. So I don't know why he called McCain-Lieberman a "dream ticket" and I can't agree or disagree with you.

Root's job is to pull in the Neocons; just like Barr. There both "ex" cons and who knows how strong that Ex term is.
 
As much as I dislike Phillies for his intolerance.... among other issues. To say he shouldn't run because it would hurt the LP is silly, Phillies brings his... unique views to the vote. I don't imagine he'll take over 100 votes total nationally...

You kidding? He'll totally eat into Barr's votes in New Hampshire. One Libertarian is enough for the ballot.
 
I really don't like George Phillies, he's not a true-libertarian and he has the most obnoxious voice-tone I've ever heard.
 
If you've ever listened to Phillies speak, you'd either have to be a militant atheist or out of your fucking mind to support him.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q8IeNF9bNEA&feature=related
Phillies is just a little after 4:00 after Gravel incoherently rants.

Yeah, he reminds me of that bird lawyer on Futurama.

He's not high on my list. I think I'd rank the Libertarians like this:

Barr
Ruwart
Kubby
Root
Jingozian
Phillies
Gravel
 
If you've ever listened to Phillies speak, you'd either have to be a militant atheist or out of your fucking mind to support him.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q8IeNF9bNEA&feature=related
Phillies is just a little after 4:00 after Gravel incoherently rants.

I didn't find anything particularly crazy about what he said.


The only Libertarian Candidate I would of voted for would of been Kubby; but he was never going to be nominated in this America. I have little trust for the rest; as they tend to be people who have done NOTHING politically.
 
Yeah, it'd be more true to say that the "idealists lost" the LP in 2008 rather than that the "pragmatists won". Unfortunately most of them now have their panties in a wad and are refusing to participate in any politics any more. Lame...
 
Yeah, it'd be more true to say that the "idealists lost" the LP in 2008 rather than that the "pragmatists won". Unfortunately most of them now have their panties in a wad and are refusing to participate in any politics any more. Lame...

It's funny when they point to this nonexistent "takeover," then they leave the party, but who is making them leave the party? LOL. They are doing it to themselves. ha.
 
Yeah, it'd be more true to say that the "idealists lost" the LP in 2008 rather than that the "pragmatists won". Unfortunately most of them now have their panties in a wad and are refusing to participate in any politics any more. Lame...

The idealists always had their panties in a wad and always refused to participate in politics. The LP has remained warming the bench not just because of rampant injustice, but because the LP has actively shut doors that were otherwise open. LP "idealists" ignored the base realities of electoral politics, prioritizing spreading "the message" over winning elections. This isn't the fucking LDS, this is a political party!

Unfortunately, the pragmatists never took over the party. The platform is still a mess, and the LP is still hyper-centralized. Part of pragmatist theory was the idea of relocalizing and gaining power at the local and county level before returning to contesting presidential elections.
 
From the blog of "a beer drinking, pickup truck driving, gun owning, New Hampshirite" -- Libertarian Bon Barr Won't Head the Party's Ticket in New Hampshire --

National Libertarian candidate Bob Barr won't head the ticket on New Hampshire ballots come November. New Hampshire has filed it's own candidate for the Libertarian party. Bob Barr will still be on the ballot, but he will have competition, and it comes from more than just George Phillies (New Hampshire's Libertarian candidate).

New Hampshire Libertarian candidates did not get enough votes in the last election to be considered an official party so they will be put in the "other" category with parties like the Green party and their candidate; Cynthia McKinney.

But the problem for presidential hopeful Bob Barr is compounded by a ridiculous ruling by the state supreme court in 2006 which said that candidates can no longer be listed in alphabetical order because it is an unfair advantage to candidates whose names start with the letter "A". I know how stupid that sounds but that is what we have come to here in New Hampshire. Evidently New Hampshire voters' attention span isn't long enough to scroll through a list of candidates until we find the one that we intended to vote for.

A new method of listing candidates was fought over until New Hampshire legislators decided to pull a letter out of a hat before every election cycle and start the list there, wrapping around to "A" and beyond. This year the letter "K" leads off the order of the candidates on the ballot. That means that Cynthia McKinney will head the "other" ticket, followed by Ralph Nader, George Phillies, and then Bob Barr.

Then there is the whole popsicle stick procedure to decide what party gets to be in the left column, this is so stupid that I can't even be bothered to try to explain it so I give you a paragraph from this article:

POPSICLE STICKS: If the alphabet system sounds involved, wait till we start picking popsicle sticks.

"That comes later," [Bill] Gardner [WP] said last week.

That procedure began two years ago, too. To be fair about which party got listed in the first left-hand column on a ballot, Democratic, Republican and Libertarian officials picked sticks that listed numbers one through 24, for each Senate district. Each group picked eight. If a Democrat picked Senate District 1, for example, Democrats would be listed in the first column on all ballots in that district. Republicans would be next. Independents, Libertarians, Green Party and others would be in a third column.

The "others" candidates can't be in a middle column because there would be too many blank spaces between candidates from the major parties, making comparisons difficult, Gardner said.

House districts that elect multiple candidates (Windham-Salem voters elect 13) may see some long ballots in November. A new law says names of candidates for House cannot appear beside another, so there will be blank spots all over the place in big districts as the list goes deep into the ballot form.

How did we ever get to the point where New Hampshire voters are considered either too lazy or too stupid to find the person that they want to vote for on the ballot? When did we reach the point that New Hampshire voters were thought of in such low regard that a voter is thought to be so distracted by the names on the ballot that they find a name that they like and vote for that person before they are able to get the the candidate that they intended to vote for?

I don't know, but it all seems to have happened since Democrats took over. The nanny staters are running wild in New Hampshire.

If a person is that stupid or lazy that they either can't understand the ballot, or can't find the name of the candidate that they want to vote for than fuck them. They shouldn't be voting in the first place.

 
And you're a loser for supporting a socialist. Bob Barr won the nomination. What have you done for the LP? Nothing, right?

Fare more than you have.

I support a socialist yes. I am a social libertarian. Unabashedly so. I don't need to apologize to you nor anyone for it. I'm perfectly fine and proud of my theology.
 
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