Libertarian George Phillies may be on the ballot in NH & MA

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Alex Libman

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George Phillies [WP] says on his site:

Unfortunately, matters did not end as favorably as might have been wished, and I was not the Libertarian Party's 2008 nominee.

First my concession speech; then some cross notes. The speech:

Fellow libertarians!

Thank you very much for the last two years. It's been a wonderful time.

I've already given you my advice.

I'm disappointed to note that not one person has asked me to endorse someone they wanted to lose.

Well, that's true.

I will not speak ill of a fellow Libertarian.

I will thank and acknowledge Senator Mike Gravel who, when he was a Democrat, gave our *party* the courtesy of debating a Libertarian. I will thank Wayne Allyn Root for entering and giving you time to take his measure and see if he was good or bad.

I will express -- I think it's the gratitude of many of us -- very good things to Mary Ruwart and to Bob Barr for entering the race to do what they thought was best for the party.

Now, I have two things to say, one as state chair, and one to the audience as much as to anyone else.

And the thing I must say as state chair, because I would be remiss not to say it, is that a voting majority of my state committee is neopagan. I have to make that point. Those of you who know why, know why I have to do it.

Now I want to make the important point:

The enemy is not here. The enemy is out there.

The enemy is not our fellow Libertarians.

The enemy is the far left Democratic Party of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and -- let's get it right for once -- Lyndon LaRouche.

The enemy is not our fellow Libertarians.

The enemy is the conservative death policy of George Bush, George Wallace, John Sununu, and Lester Maddox, the conservative bigotry philosophy that is against our country.

We are the Libertarians. We are the party of the future.

For my current activities in politics - <http://LibertyForAmerica.com>.

However, the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire [WP] did petition to put a Presidential candidate on the ballot. They did that petitioning last winter and spring using my name. Substitution of Presidential candidates, once the nominee's name is known, is not permitted in New Hampshire. Barring various legal maneuvers, I will be on the ballot in New Hampshire.

Also, the Libertarian Party of Massachusetts [WP] had begun petitioning, with the agreement that the named candidate would be replaced on the November ballot. The Secretary of the Commonwealth, who had last Fall said that the proposal was legal, has since changed his mind, and says that substitution is not allowed. Barring various legal maneuvers, I will also be on the ballot in Massachusetts.

(Links and emphasis added.)

I was hoping it would be Ruwart, but I've always said I would support a better (small-l) libertarian candidate than Barr in whatever state(s) one was able to run, while supporting Barr nationwide...

Does anyone here have any more info on NH and MA ballots?
 
I wouldn't vote for George Phillies. He is a Ron Paul hater. This article sums it up pretty good.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article3377.html

Phillies has attempted to portray his differences with Paul as mainly ideological. For instance, Last Free Voice claims that he has implied that Paul is a "homophobic bigot" (3) - and he has referred to himself as the candidate with "no bizarre conspiracy theories" (4) - both of which sound like references to the ongoing smear campaign, by The New Republic et al, over Ron Paul's old newsletters. (5)

Yet, for all this ideological rhetoric, it appears that fundraising is Phillies' biggest concern. The Express article quoted above has Phillies accusing Paul and his party of not just "anti-libertarianism" but something worse: "What's worse, Phillies said, Paul is siphoning off campaign funds that are critical to the Libertarian Party's nominee." (2)
 
George Phillies needs to be kicked from his position as LPMA State Chair. Fuckin whackjob. Who the hell does he think he is? I hate that guy!
 
i signed something very petition looking and libertarian... yesterday... as well as this constitution party thingie...
did i put bob barr and chuck baldwin on the ballot or was it mr phillies and mr baldwin?
 
i am totally keeping my options open...
the vote is now 1-6-1-1 top to bottom!
 
From IndependentPoliticalReport.com -- New Hampshire could have two Libertarian presidential choices --

New Hampshire's Nashua Telegraph has a story this morning [quoted below] about how there may be two Libertarian options -- Bob Barr [WP] and George Phillies [WP] -- on the state's presidential ballot. The newspaper notes Barr's 10% poll showing in the state, and says that "with Phillies already earning the state party's support, some libertarians fret that Barr might not gain enough signatures needed to even make the ballot, and if he does, the double Libertarian offering might lead voters to ignore them both."

New Hampshire LP Chair Brendan Kelly "said Barr has supporters pounding the pavement and should acquire the necessary signatures by the Aug. 6 deadline. Potentially having two candidates on one ballot shouldn't pose any problems, Kelly said. In fact, it benefits the party, he said." Kelly said, "Look at the attention it's going to draw. You can tell Libertarians, 'Look at the ballot. You have a choice.' And any attention is good attention." Kelly said Phillies "could bow out and cede the ballot to Barr," but "nothing at the moments suggests that will occur."



From NashuaTelegraph.com -- Choices at the top of Libertarian ticket --

Republicans have a presidential candidate to support: Sen. John McCain. Democrats also have their man: Sen. Barack Obama.

But Libertarians in New Hampshire could have two people to choose from on their presidential ticket, a situation that pleases the state's party chairman but has others worried about confusing voters and diluting what small clout the party has.

The national Libertarian Party has tapped former Republican congressman Bob Barr to lead the charge to the White House. But because Barr hadn't declared his presidential aspirations whenthe state party met last fall, it voted to place Massachusetts Libertarian activist George Phillies on the New Hampshire ballot, and began to get the signatures of 3,000 registered voters needed to put him there.

Since then, Barr started his campaign and last week earned a bit of national media attention when a Zogby poll had him notching 10 percent in a popular opinion poll of New Hampshire voters. With him polling respectably in other states, several political pundits started theorizing that he could cleave into McCain's base by peeling away some libertarian-leaning Republicans.

But with Phillies already earning the state party's support, some libertarians fret that Barr might not gain enough signatures needed to even make the ballot, and if he does, the double Libertarian offering might lead voters to ignore them both.

"They're going to blow it again this year," said Tom Simmons, a Fitzwilliam resident who doesn't belong to the state or national party but is libertarian in philosophy.

Under the pseudonym "Tully," Simmons writes columns for the political blog Nolan Chart, a clearinghouse for libertarian, conservative, centrist, liberal and even statist viewpoints. In a column last month, Simmons chastised the state Libertarian Party for not backing Barr and standing by Phillies. "Now's there's a name that the average voter will recognize . . . .NOT," he wrote.

In a telephone interview, Simmons said he and other libertarians are concerned that despite Barr's good polling numbers, he won't get the 3,000 signatures required by the state Secretary of State's office to appear on the presidential ballot.

But Brendan Kelly, chairman of the state Libertarian Party, said Barr has supporters pounding the pavement and should acquire the necessary signatures by the Aug. 6 deadline.

Potentially having two candidates on one ballot shouldn't pose any problems, Kelly said. In fact, it benefits the party, he said.

"Look at the attention it's going to draw," Kelly said. "You can tell Libertarians, 'Look at the ballot. You have a choice.' And any attention is good attention."

About three years ago, long before Barr announced his intention to run, Phillies started working the state, Kelly said. "He became the guy most of us saw," he said.

Because the next Libertarian convention occurs beyond the state deadline for placing names on ballots, the party couldn't wait for any other candidate to emerge, Kelly said. (Any party that doesn't receive 5 percent of the electorate in a statewide vote must collect signatures to be placed on the next ballot.)

Phillies could bow out and cede the ballot to Barr, Kelly said. Nothing at the moments suggests that will occur, but if Phillies takes one for the party, a court ruling would have to pave his way to the exit.

Most states allow so-called placeholders to remove their names from ballots to allow other candidates to join the fray at the last minute, but New Hampshire and Massachusetts do not. A lawsuit filed in Massachusetts seeks to reverse that state's policy, and if Libertarians win, they'll use it as legal precedent to make the same case in New Hampshire, Kelly said.

Despite his relative obscurity, Phillies has support in the party. Ken Blevens, perhaps the most recognized Libertarian in New Hampshire, backs him.

"George believes in less government. He truly believes in less government, less taxes and a foreign policy that doesn't include interventionist ideas," said Blevens, who is running for the U.S. Senate seat held by Republican John Sununu.

Blevens wouldn't directly comment on whether he believes Barr isn't "libertarian enough" – a charge leveled by some in the state and national parties. Barr joined the party in 2006.

Simmons said the Phillies-Barr split reflects the philosophical rift among state libertarians. Purists support Phillies, believing he holds true to party thinking, while remaining skeptical about Barr's libertarian leanings, Simmons said.

In the end, it may not be Barr or Phillies who hurt McCain, but Ron Paul, the Republican congressman who ran for president, University of New Hampshire political science associate professor Dante Scala said.

Paul – who once ran for president under the Libertarian Party banner, but said he would not run as an independent in the general election this year – had a small-but-passionate base in New Hampshire, garnering 8 percent of the vote in January's primary. Many Republicans and many libertarians could write in Paul's name, Scala said. And the obvious split between Barr and Phillies will lessen the party's traction on the overall ballot, he said.

As it is, the Libertarian Party usually doesn't fare well in presidential elections, Scala said. New Hampshire has many libertarian-minded people but not as many Libertarian voters, he said.



I say: the more (small-l) libertarian choices the better! I'd like to see even more radical candidates, like Mary Ruwart and the Boston Tea Party, on the ballot as well!
 
Phillies Fails

I like his "Peace" and "Prosperity" platforms, but in the end, he still will never get my vote. He supports the murder of the defenseless unborn. He's willing to eliminate the national debt (a "tax on our grandchildren," as he calls it), but he's not willing to eliminate national deaths (abortion, the "ax to our grandchildren"), and thereby, his whole campaign falls to the dust. If he can't defend life, how then can he support liberty? In my opinion, preserving our country's posterity is the key to advancing our nation's prosperity.
 
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Screw this guy. Why the hell is he running as a Libertarian if the didn't nominate him. All that can do is hurt any chance of the LP doing well.
 
Screw this guy. Why the hell is he running as a Libertarian if the didn't nominate him. All that can do is hurt any chance of the LP doing well.

As much as I dislike Phillies for his intolerance.... among other issues. To say he shouldn't run because it would hurt the LP is silly, Phillies brings his... unique views to the vote. I don't imagine he'll take over 100 votes total nationally...
 
As much as I dislike Phillies for his intolerance.... among other issues. To say he shouldn't run because it would hurt the LP is silly, Phillies brings his... unique views to the vote. I don't imagine he'll take over 100 votes total nationally...

So? He's splitting the vote after he LOST the f'n nomination. This is a complete disrespect for the LP. He needs to:

1. lose his chairmanship

2. be barred from the Party forever, or pay $100,000 to make amends...but I think the LP should sue him

Remember, Phillies? You preached "party unity" at the convention, you coniving bastard!

Hey, NHLP, are you braindead over there? You don't petition before the nomination, especially not for a geek like Phillies. You guys really thought he stood a chance? haha :D
 
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The enemy is the far left Democratic Party of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and -- let's get it right for once -- Lyndon LaRouche.


The enemy is the conservative death policy of George Bush, George Wallace, John Sununu, and Lester Maddox, the conservative bigotry philosophy that is against our country.

I keep seeing this sort of Bias from Libertarians; why do they not outright name and denounce the Republican party; they only denounce Conservative "Biggots" but clearly name the Democratic party several times ignoring any Conservative Democrats.

Its sickening.
 
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