Lew Rockwell calls for repudiation of student loans

I have known several dancers that were paying their way through college.
I suspect they did NOT have loans,, They were paying for college.

;)

I've never met a stripper who didn't claim she was working her way through college, even the ones who are 40-years old, with stretch marks and C-section scars...
 
College is a big scam and most people in college have no business going to college, but college is a big business in bed with the government and they brainwash everyone to think college is needed.

College can be a waste of time/money if you go in without a plan, thinking you can get just any old degree and get a great job when you get out. Many college degrees are of little value, however, many others are very valuable.

The people I work with are almost exclusively college graduates. They all make good money. I doubt any of them, even those who took out big loans, thinks college was a "bad idea."


A large percent of the students drop out of college, and of the ones who do graduate these days most cannot find any job except for basic retail and food jobs that they could have gotten without a degree.

The overwhelming majority of college students do NOT drop out. And most college grads are not working at Walmart or McDonalds type jobs.

There is no way that most of the college students in big depth like you will ever be able to pay off their debt.

Nonsense. It may be true if you got a degree in African Music Appreciation (or similar), however, even those with very large loans, like the "$140k" guy above, will usually be able to pay them off if they got a decent degree and get a decent job. Given the low interest rates, those with good jobs can pay those loans off very quickly if they focus on it- put their new wages toward debt elimination rather than blowing the money. A single guy with an engineering degree and a $70k starting salary could knock out a $140k debt in just a few years, less if he really worked it.

Of course, most students have nowhere near that level of debt, so they can pay off their debts much more easily.

"Something will have to happen- I think the colleges should just eat the loss. It's the least these lying brainwashing scamming bastards could do. "

Colleges rarely make loans. The people who "eat it" will be banks and taxpayers, not colleges.
 
I've never met a stripper who didn't claim she was working her way through college, even the ones who are 40-years old, with stretch marks and C-section scars...

At least one got a degree (Marine Biologist). I haven't keep up with them all. I got married. :)
 
Pretty sure some Ivy League schools run around $30-40k per year including housing, I believe.

Compared to state schools that run around $15k or so per year, including housing.

So we have an unemployed *POSSIBLE* Ivy League school graduate that is $141k in the hole. Lesson learned folks?

As for me, i'm collecting $2100 a month in housing income, as well as all books and tuition paid in full. I also work part-time.

Post-911 GI Bill folks, get it.
 
"When I think back on all the crap I learned in High School,
It's a wonder I can think at all."


I'm personally glad I never went that route.
 
So we have an unemployed *POSSIBLE* Ivy League school graduate that is $141k in the hole. Lesson learned folks?

As for me, i'm collecting $2100 a month in housing income, as well as all books and tuition paid in full. I also work part-time.

Post-911 GI Bill folks, get it.

Did you cancel your credit card yet?
 
College can be a waste of time/money if you go in without a plan, thinking you can get just any old degree and get a great job when you get out. Many college degrees are of little value, however, many others are very valuable.

The people I work with are almost exclusively college graduates. They all make good money. I doubt any of them, even those who took out big loans, thinks college was a "bad idea."

Even the so called "good degrees" these days are worthless unless you go to grad school for most students.

Yes the people you work with benefited from their degrees, but what about the countless recent grads who are working in food or retail?? And I am not talking about BS majors from bad colleges, even the good majors from decent schools are having a very hard time finding jobs after college. Most of the recent finance, accounting etc majors I know cannot find jobs and are working in food and retail.

It depends on your age. Now we have the bad economy PLUS degree inflation so undergrad degrees are the new HS degree. Even just 4-5 years ago it was different, but not anymore. Along time ago degree inflation did not exist, but now it does but the scamming colleges don't want anyone to know about it.



The overwhelming majority of college students do NOT drop out. And most college grads are not working at Walmart or McDonalds type jobs.

A big percent do drop out. In fact, out of the bottom 40% of HS graduation classes, 80% of them who go to college will end up NEVER getting a degree yet you never here colleges tell the truth on that fact. The colleges will still tell EVERY HS student to go to college it is such BS.

Also I said "recent" college grads. Even just 5 years ago a college degree could guarentee you a decent job, let alone 10-20 or more years ago. Those days are over. Now college grads have extremely hard times finding jobs after graduation and yes most RECENT college grads having retail food jobs.



Nonsense. It may be true if you got a degree in African Music Appreciation (or similar), however, even those with very large loans, like the "$140k" guy above, will usually be able to pay them off if they got a decent degree and get a decent job. Given the low interest rates, those with good jobs can pay those loans off very quickly if they focus on it- put their new wages toward debt elimination rather than blowing the money. A single guy with an engineering degree and a $70k starting salary could knock out a $140k debt in just a few years, less if he really worked it.

Even the "real" degrees are worthless by themselves in most cases these days unless you go to grad school. I am assuming you are not a recent grad within the past 3 years. Check it out- ask recent grads if they can find jobs. Most can't.

Of course, most students have nowhere near that level of debt, so they can pay off their debts much more easily.

"Something will have to happen- I think the colleges should just eat the loss. It's the least these lying brainwashing scamming bastards could do. "

Colleges rarely make loans. The people who "eat it" will be banks and taxpayers, not colleges.

Colleges can eat the loss in the form of budget cuts though. Colleges are just a flat out waste of money. WHy do the fat ass professors even need golf carts? Why do they spend so much money maintaining the useless grass fields? Why do they waste money on the sports that generate no income?

It's about time something forces the out of control colleges to stop their spending, and budget cuts because of the student loan issue might just be that.
 
This "repudiation" talk for anything appears to be a fairy tale.

Please tell me how this is possible and the likelihood this will happen.
 
Forgive all college loans?

Are you kidding?

Not only would that lay a huge burden on the taxpayers, it would completely screw over a lot of people who made loans. I know, it's fashionable to claim "banks are evil"- but a lot of those loans are held by small local banks.

Essentially, this would be "welfare for college students/graduates."

If we are against welfare for poor people, why should we be for welfare for college graduates, MOST OF WHOM ARE NOT drowning in debt or unemployed. In fact, they are typically the highest earners.

Plus, it would be a real kick in the nuts to those kids who earned scholarships, or even worse, those who scraped their way through college working 2 or 3 jobs if those who did nothing but take out a loan and show up for class were given a huge, and undeserved, windfall.
Those people were irresponsible and deserve to be screwed, just as they screwed students. Student loans are given out to anyone with a pulse with no collateral. If the student loan industry couldn't rely on gov'ment and colleges, they'd be out of business. If you or I were to use the same lending practices as student loan providers, we'd be out of business due to our own stupidity and irresponsibility. Let the loan industry eat their losses and learn a lesson for next time.
 
College can be a waste of time/money if you go in without a plan, thinking you can get just any old degree and get a great job when you get out. Many college degrees are of little value, however, many others are very valuable.

The people I work with are almost exclusively college graduates. They all make good money. I doubt any of them, even those who took out big loans, thinks college was a "bad idea."
Sound too good to be true? It is. The people you speak of got a front-loaded deal(aka a scam). IF they ever recoup the losses incurred, it will likely be well into their careers. On top of that, the dollars they earn will be worth less than the dollars they paid for their degrees.(thanks to monetary and degree inflation) If any of these people you speak of is female, her debt burden will make her unmarriable. What a great bargain! /sarcasm
 
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BTW, it seems some of you didn't read the OP. He says "If we want a rationalization of higher-ed, and to free the slaves, let's repudiate these debts, and end all student aid. Once again, smart kids could work their way through school, their academic overlords in (fewer) colleges and universities would earn market salaries, and the taxpayers would be partially freed, too."
 
This "repudiation" talk for anything appears to be a fairy tale.

Please tell me how this is possible and the likelihood this will happen.
Any more of a fairy tale than repudiating the national debt? (as RP has talked about a few times)
 
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