Leaving the GOP is what the establishment WANTS you to do!

[Bastiat's The Law]

One of these days someone will hopefully explain what one of those above "average" Americans are. I always thought Americans were Americans. Whoda thunkit...

Gosh, I really hate that language.

I'll give you hint. Average Americans reelected George Bush. Average Americans fell for "hope" and "change". Average Americans flock to Sarah Palin book signings. Average Americans aren't very bright.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Big whoopee! Then the other head of the hydra wins; the Democrats. How is that helping anything? The goal isn't to stop one of the parties from winning, it is to win, ourselves.

Precisely!

 

[TheTexan]

Big whoopee! Then the other head of the hydra wins; the Democrats. How is that helping anything? The goal isn't to stop one of the parties from winning, it is to win, ourselves.

It proves a point. They can't win without our support.

If we are successfully recognized for Romney's loss, and guarantee the GOP never wins another presidential election, I see three scenarios happening:

1) They are more accommodating next time because they want to win
2) They won't be more accommodating, will look like idiots again when they lose, and the few who see this come to our camp
3) They won't be more accommodating, will look like idiots again when they lose, and noone will notice, and just continue to lose over, and over, and over


In scenario 1, congratulation, you successfully co-opted the GOP.

In scenario 2, congratulations, we just got more support, and will continue to get more support with each election, and we just broke the two party system.

In scenario 3, it doesn't matter what we do at that point, stay in GOP or not, this country's *fucked* if those idiots are that dead-set on their war-mongering trillion-stealing corporatist police-state ways

 

[acptulsa]

How many more of these threads do you get to keep on posting before it's considered spamming? Although I do understand what you're doing though. With the 2012 campaign dying down, gotta do what you can to keep these paychecks coming in...

What? You can't tell that this is a completely different, unrelated, utterly opposite thread? Collins isn't a broken record. This thread is completely different.

All the others were straight up appeals to those who are smart and reasonable enough to agree with him. This one is reverse psychology to trick the rest into agreeing with him. A good little sheep dog has more than one trick up his sleeve...

 

[wgadget]

Like there isn't now?

Well, yeah, but it's "not mentioned" for the sake of "unity." You know it's the truth. But when Romney loses, we'll be the scapegoats.

I say BRING IT. Let's talk. Let's get all the cheating out in the open and on the airwaves.

 

[TrishW]

Romney losing will be a win for us. At least that's the way I see it. I am about as average an American as you can get. lol

I don't want to fight, but I also don't like to get pushed down.

 

[angelatc]

Well, yeah, but it's "not mentioned" for the sake of "unity." You know it's the truth. But when Romney loses, we'll be the scapegoats.

I say BRING IT. Let's talk. Let's get all the cheating out in the open and on the airwaves.

I am perfectly happy with that. Gore's loss, enabled party by Nadar, paved the way for Obama. I want to swing hard right, not less left.

 

[LibertyEagle]

It proves a point. They can't win without our support.

The people at the very top do not care. They own both major parties. Which is why the overall agenda never changes, regardless of which party is in office.

If we are successfully recognized for Romney's loss, and guarantee the GOP never wins another presidential election, I see three scenarios happening:

1) They are more accommodating next time because they want to win
2) They won't be more accommodating, will look like idiots again when they lose, and the few who see this come to our camp
3) They won't be more accommodating, will look like idiots again when they lose, and noone will notice, and just continue to lose over, and over, and over


In scenario 1, congratulation, you successfully co-opted the GOP.

In scenario 2, congratulations, we just got more support, and will continue to get more support with each election, and we just broke the two party system.

In scenario 3, it doesn't matter what we do at that point, stay in GOP or not, this country's *fucked* if those idiots are that dead-set on their war-mongering trillion-stealing corporatist police-state ways

I don't think that will work. I think the only way is for us to take the sucker over, of course while winning over hearts and minds as we go, and electing people with good principles. Of course, we ourselves would vote for whomever we thought was best, regardless of party, as we go.

 

[LBennett76]

I'm getting more and more pissed by the day. I live in Ohio. The Republican Party is super thick with good old boys in this state. There is no taking it over. Family legacies carry on the party. To even try to infiltrate it is near impossible. Write-in votes aren't counted here unless the person has registered to be one. Now, Romney is trying to get Johnson off the ticket. Where does this leave me??? Come November, could I really not have anyone to vote for? I'm really at a loss about what to do...
Right now, the Republicans can kiss my ass. They're trying to create a situation where for the first time in 5 presidential elections I can't vote for anyone I want to! URGH!

 

[wgadget]

Ron should seriously consider starting the DISENFRANCHISED VOTER party.

 

[hrdman2luv]

Has anyone ever seen the movie "The Black Legion". It's an old black n white Bogart movie.
I'll give you the short version:

Boggy losses his promotion to a "new American"... This makes him angry against immigrants. So he joins an anit-immigrant organization called The Black Legion. To join this group, you have to buy things like the uniform, the gun and other things. You also have to terrorize these immigrants. Burning their houses, kicking them out of town, beating them up and sometimes even kill them.

About halfway through the movie, it switches to NYC (far away from the town Boggy lives in), where we pick up 3 NYC business men, who head up The Black Legion. Their main focus is not stopping the immigrants, but the profits from selling The Black Legion their guns, uniforms and everything else. They are also focused on increasing their numbers, which creates an even higher profit for them.

I see the RNC and the DNC just like these NYC scumbags. They are in cahoots with each other to continue staying in power. It's obvious they don't care about the people they say they represent. It's so obvious, that they can read straight from a "publicly viewed teleprompter" and get away with it.

I just can't stomach being a part of the RNC. To me, they are as bad as the KKK.

 

[wgadget]

Yes, and just think about where people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and others on the left (who I'm not as familiar with) would be if there were not "TWO PARTIES."

 

[tremendoustie]

I'm getting more and more pissed by the day. I live in Ohio. The Republican Party is super thick with good old boys in this state. There is no taking it over. Family legacies carry on the party. To even try to infiltrate it is near impossible. Write-in votes aren't counted here unless the person has registered to be one. Now, Romney is trying to get Johnson off the ticket. Where does this leave me??? Come November, could I really not have anyone to vote for? I'm really at a loss about what to do...
Right now, the Republicans can kiss my ass. They're trying to create a situation where for the first time in 5 presidential elections I can't vote for anyone I want to! URGH!

I used to live in LA.

There is a solution to the problem of being stuck in Ohio with an entrenched anti-liberty GOP and too few pro-liberty people to have a voice ...

 

[tremendoustie]

Well, yeah, but it's "not mentioned" for the sake of "unity." You know it's the truth. But when Romney loses, we'll be the scapegoats.

I say BRING IT. Let's talk. Let's get all the cheating out in the open and on the airwaves.

I would never vote for Obama, but I do hope Romney loses, for just this reason.

 

[PointsOfOrder]

I left the GoP. Until you can understand what we are fighting (and it is not human) there will never be a change.

How could that be? How could it not be????

 

[Matt Collins]

Sorry we're not 12 years old. I am leaving the GOP because I don't want to be associated with their scumbag brand.

Good thing Ron Paul didn't take that attitude.

Some of us no longer care what impact our actions have on the GOP

That's very short sighted. The GOP controls a good portion of the government. If we are to try and gain the power needed to reshape our government, then the Republican Party is the most viable vehicle in front of us at this time.

all of these posts are intended to keep liberty candidates within the GOP from losing support, but just because we may no longer be members of the party doesn't necessarily mean some of them won't still have that. I can't and won't speak for others, but personally I will support anyone (regardless of party) who can stand having their feet held to the fire but if they start betraying the ideals of liberty for political gain, they will get no support from me.

Supporting candidates is great and is needed, but these candidates must have at minimium a non-hostile infastructure within which to work. If we don't have liberty people inside the Republican Party, then the life of these liberty candidates will be short lived.

 

[Matt Collins]

I'm getting more and more pissed by the day. I live in Ohio. The Republican Party is super thick with good old boys in this state. There is no taking it over.

You don't have to take it over, but your goal should be to have enough of a presence that they have to deal with you and can't run right over you.

To even try to infiltrate it is near impossible.

If you get half of the Ron Paul supporters in your area to show up to a Republican Party election, you can probably get a fair amount of liberty people elected to Republican Party positions. I've done it multiple times where we had a very small minority.

 

[Matt Collins]

If I leave the Republican party I win.

Not in the long term you don't. Good and viable liberty candidates won't have any internal support without us holding positions within the GOP to stop the neocon wing from railroading their people through.

 

[Matt Collins]

Running 3rd party this time around doesn't mean we have to leave the GOP, it's not like there are any more primaries to vote in. I still think the GOP is the best vehicle to electing our candidates in 2014 and beyond.

You can walk and chew gum can't you? Nobody brought up voting for Romney. Stay in the republican party and support our people running down ticket and Johnson or someone else for POTUS.

The obvious counterpoint to hazek's argument is that by leaving the GOP to go 3rd party sends us into irrelevance.... but if we're as strong as we think we are, by doing that we can make sure the GOP never wins a presidential election, ever again.

We may never win an election going 3rd party... but if we can make the GOP lose, time and time again, we definitely wouldn't be irrelevant

Romney losing will be a win for us. At least that's the way I see it. .

It proves a point. They can't win without our support.

If we are successfully recognized for Romney's loss, and guarantee the GOP never wins another presidential election, I see three scenarios happening:

1) They are more accommodating next time because they want to win
2) They won't be more accommodating, will look like idiots again when they lose, and the few who see this come to our camp
3) They won't be more accommodating, will look like idiots again when they lose, and noone will notice, and just continue to lose over, and over, and over


In scenario 1, congratulation, you successfully co-opted the GOP.

In scenario 2, congratulations, we just got more support, and will continue to get more support with each election, and we just broke the two party system.

In scenario 3, it doesn't matter what we do at that point, stay in GOP or not, this country's *fucked* if those idiots are that dead-set on their war-mongering trillion-stealing corporatist police-state ways

I am perfectly happy with that. Gore's loss, enabled party by Nadar, paved the way for Obama. I want to swing hard right, not less left.

Bingo! If McCain and Romney lose, the GOP will be more likely to put up a liberty candidate in 2016, enter a possible Rand Paul Presidency. I am glad to see that so many people here are understanding this concept!

 

[Matt Collins]

You are fooling yourself to think that you can take down the machine from the inside. They will squash you like a bug, just as what happened at the RNC. To do the same thing over and over again, and expect different results, is the definition of insanity.

Minnesota, Iowa, and a few other states have just proven you wrong.