Leaving the GOP is what the establishment WANTS you to do!

[hrdman2luv]

If you leave the Republican Party, they win...

Finally, me and GOP finally agree on something.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

The voting public and the possible neocon delegates in reserve disagree with you. We are an irate minority.

I don't really care about the voting public right now, they'll perk up as they continue to feel the pinch in the pocket plus as we continue to restore state parties and field the candidates that we want, the republicans will still vote republican and the indies will be more attracted to us. As far as neocon dels, that bunch is being handled through attrition plus our newcomers and our alliances. As the current minority, it is up to us to educate our fellow man and inspire them to our cause. I've got my polished talking points lined up for whatever type of republican I run into, most are reasonable and if you know how to speak to them you win them to your side. Put on a smile and spread the honey, not the vinegar.

 

[EBounding]

We have counties and state legislatures set to nullify the NDAA. I wasn't involved a few years ago, but I'm pretty sure this would not be happening if we weren't involved in the Republican party.

 

[TheTyke]

Who's leaving? I can vote Libertarian for President as a Republican.

Best of both worlds. Screw em.

Absolutely.

Why did they cheat when they didn't need to to win the nomination? Probably to sicken us into departing. Let's not be manipulated. Let's not abandon all those states who did what it took and won... let's join them.

 

[Matt Collins]

The voting public and the possible neocon delegates in reserve disagree with you. We are an irate minority.

That's all that is needed to prevail.

 

[Origanalist]

Absolutely.

Why did they cheat when they didn't need to to win the nomination? Probably to sicken us into departing. Let's not be manipulated. Let's not abandon all those states who did what it took and won... let's join them.

When the bully punches you in the gut just because he want's to, you get right back up and show him you can take it. Any other action just gets you another punch in the gut.

 

[Okie RP fan]

Checking the first 2 pages of these forums, I see 1 thread related to what you are saying. I see 3 threads by Mr. Collins though. Please point out any that I may have missed. Yes, you are defending him. Maybe you'd like to see a few more by Mr. Collins before you start noticing it?

Really going to be that way, aren't you, pal? Wow...

First off, I don't have a horse in the race related to Collins. I don't care what he says or does. In fact, a couple weeks ago he was doing the same thing (posting multiple threads over the same subject) and I jokingly (at the same time, seriously) asked him why and if we could merge the threads.

Second, do you not recall all of the people who were saying they were done with the GOP after the RNC?

I suggest you back off in your assumption that I am defending anyone. I made a very valid point related to the subject, not the poster. And I should have been more specific in that I was speaking of not only threads, but posts as well from pissed off people around here-we all were, but, some were saying they were done with the GOP outright and switching parties (of which I will not start digging just for you, your highness).

We have too many little whiny pissants on this forum and it's very tiring. I sometimes think we have too many former leftists on here (the constant whining and feeling the need to nitpick every single thing, and I say this in all generality).

 

[PatriotOne]

Heading into round 3 stronger than ever. If only everyone in this movement knew how much progress we have made they would be invigorated.

 

[NH4RonPaul]

That's right

I don't think anyone on RPF plans on voting for Romney... Can't speak for all of the "softies" outside of RPF, though.

You don't have to vote for Romney... you can leave that blank even. But please do go vote especially for your local offices.

I've been GOP for 40 years. I'm not leaving now.. let the RINOs and socialists leave. They are the ones not following the platform which is supposed to restore the REPUBLIC!

 

[Carlybee]

Sorry we're not 12 years old. I am leaving the GOP because I don't want to be associated with their scumbag brand. That being said as an independent voter I will vote for fully vetted liberty candidates as I see fit from whatever political affiliation they happen to belong to. Coming in here with these admonitions like we are all too stupid to figure out what to do on our own is frankly condescending. Some of us no longer care what impact our actions have on the GOP and I really don't care if it means "they win"...which is a misnomer since most of them are nothing more than losers where it counts to begin with. We are quite aware that all of these posts are intended to keep liberty candidates within the GOP from losing support, but just because we may no longer be members of the party doesn't necessarily mean some of them won't still have that. I can't and won't speak for others, but personally I will support anyone (regardless of party) who can stand having their feet held to the fire but if they start betraying the ideals of liberty for political gain, they will get no support from me.

 

[Origanalist]

You don't have to vote for Romney... you can leave that blank even. But please do go vote especially for your local offices.

I've been GOP for 40 years. I'm not leaving now.. let the RINOs and socialists leave. They are the ones not following the platform which is supposed to restore the REPUBLIC!

Exactly, 36 here, and I can't see quiting now that we're forcing them to show their true colors.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Sorry we're not 12 years old. I am leaving the GOP because I don't want to be associated with their scumbag brand. That being said as an independent voter I will vote for fully vetted liberty candidates as I see fit from whatever political affiliation they happen to belong to. Coming in here with these admonitions like we are all too stupid to figure out what to do on our own is frankly condescending. Some of us no longer care what impact our actions have on the GOP and I really don't care if it means "they win"...which is a misnomer since most of them are nothing more than losers where it counts to begin with. We are quite aware that all of these posts are intended to keep liberty candidates within the GOP from losing support, but just because we may no longer be members of the party doesn't necessarily mean some of them won't still have that. I can't and won't speak for others, but personally I will support anyone (regardless of party) who can stand having their feet held to the fire but if they start betraying the ideals of liberty for political gain, they will get no support from me.

We have had success getting liberty candidates elected through the Republican Party. Being registered as a Republican means that you can vote in the primary to get them nominated. If they are not nominated, they cannot win the general.

 

[Monotaur]

I know our county GOP is stacked full of Paul supporters at the higher level (well, minus one now - they had to resign in their leadership position because they are running for a Colorado State house Seat ). And we are filling up more leadership positions in precinct and district captains as this cycle winds down.

We are now beginning to have sway in changing how our county GOP works. For example, previously, higher level delegates to State and Congressional District assemblies were chosen at the precinct level (so about half our of county couldn't be represented at the higher levels). This is unfair, and really only benefited the establishment (people who were past chairs, etc, who live in precincts that aware such delegate positions). This cycle things were a little different, and we elected higher level delegates at our County Assembly. The establishment folks didn't like this as us Paul folks showed up and *gasp* organized to vote for ourselves and rallied others to vote for us, thus denying delegate positions to the establishment folks who just go along with the GOP as usual. There will be a meeting coming up in the next couple of months for all PCPs/DCs to vote on how we proceed going forward. But, based on how the Paul people are now participating in the GOP (much to the shegrins of the establishment folks), we have now swayed the conversation from "Should we revert back to awarding delegate positions at the precinct level?" to "Which method of awarding delegates at higher levels do we take?". While this is a small victory (it will be important for next cycle!), it's one of many. Being involved also means that you can help shape the local party and it's positions.

I'm going to ask that we take a stand in "supporting fair elections at all levels" at our next meeting, which may ruffle some feathers (see previous paragraph), but little by little we are having a larger voice.

I didn't mean for this to turn into a debate on why we should stay in the party, it just turned into that.

 

[Sematary]

I'm with her 1000%
Let's keep winning!

 

[Carlybee]

We have had success getting liberty candidates elected through the Republican Party. Being registered as a Republican means that you can vote in the primary to get them nominated. If they are not nominated, they cannot win the general.

I am well aware of that. I have been a registered Republican for some time. I've been an elected delegate. Unfortunately at this point I just don't really care. You people who love the idea of being a Republican can sort that out. I can however participate in money bombs and other ways of spreading the word.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I am well aware of that. I have been a registered Republican for some time. I've been an elected delegate. Unfortunately at this point I just don't really care. You people who love the idea of being a Republican can sort that out. I can however participate in money bombs and other ways of spreading the word.

I don't think anyone here "loves" to be a Republican. We want to win this war, Carly, and right now the Republican Party is proving an effective mechanism to get our candidates elected.

But, to each their own.

 

[Carlybee]

I don't think anyone here "loves" to be a Republican. We want to win this war, Carly, and right now the Republican Party is proving an effective mechanism to get our candidates elected.

But, to each their own.

I will never believe you will take over the GOP and after Tampa not sure why anyone would want to, but as you say to each his own. I will contribute as I can, in my own way. I recently donated a little to a delegate who was down there to help out since they got so royally screwed. Even if it was just enough to help for the trip back home. There are ways to help without having to compromise your own sense of principle.

 

[Cleaner44]

The problem is that the establishment really doesn't care if they win the presidency, they are perfectly happy one way or the other. It's all one big party to them no matter who wins. It's only the voters who care, because they are too frigging stupid to see it doesn't matter. It will only matter if the establishment can be taken down.

The establishment may not care which party wins the white house, but the Republican voters certainly do. The more they lose fielding crappy candidates like McCain and Romney, the more they will question their methods and direct. It is the GOP voters that must demand better of their party and they will simply improve their product or lose to their hated competition... the socialist Democrats.

 

[Origanalist]

The establishment may not care which party wins the white house, but the Republican voters certainly do. The more they lose fielding crappy candidates like McCain and Romney, the more they will question their methods and direct. It is the GOP voters that must demand better of their party and they will simply improve their product or lose to their hated competition... the socialist Democrats.

No arguement here, I basically said the same thing and I don't feel it's in our best interest to see Romney in the White House. As much as I despise Obama.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I just don't think you will accomplish enough in taking it over. The math is against you. Mainstream republicans have the overwhelming numbers that they can show up for decades ousting you if they wake up to it.

Good point. That's why I recommend not in anyway trying to take it over. Just become part of it. Become friends with others who are part of it. Work with them when you can. Encourage your friends to become part of it. The direction changes but people feel like they are responsible for the change in direction. They feel that they like the change in direction. Everyone wins.