Leave the Party Now!!!

[Ozwest]

this thread is about leaving the republican party. the C4L is about engaging the republican party at the grassroots level producing results for communities.

Your tripe about Libertarians not winning elections is the same stuff we have come to expect from you.

It was so great meeting up with the other non-wall flowers this week, sadly I am back to dealing with the full of shit contingent again.

My "tripe" relates to grassroots. Libertarians can build an infrastructure there.

Settle for John McCain.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Wait, i'm in the GOP, but because there are imposters who don't represent the foundations of the party, I should give it to them and leave? Fuck you.

 

[Ozwest]

Why would any Ron Paul supporter who followed the primaries, and debates, give a royal flying fuck about the Republican Party?

 

[ARealConservative]

Why would any Ron Paul supporter who followed the primaries, and debates, give a royal flying fuck about the Republican Party?

because we live in a two party system

Or atleast the 'we" that didn't run away.

 

[tpreitzel]

+2010



<yawn> quitters never win...

Yep. This concept is really hard for younger folks to understand. We want gratification NOW! Unfortunately, victory won't come immediately regardless of its urgency!

 

[kill the banks]

The party is a vehicle. It goes where it is driven. If you let other people drive, you will not like where it goes.

Stay in the GOP and change it FROM THE BOTTOM UP. You need to actually get involved in your LOCAL party, make friends, and win leadership positions. The neocons took decades to achieve this much power in the GOP; don't think that you can get it back in a single year. And don't delude yourself into thinking that leaving the neocons in the driver's seat of a major political party is somehow okay.

+1 &
kill the banks

 

[josephadel_3]

Screw the GOP. They treated me like shit at their "party", the state convention. I'm switching to Independent next chance I get.

 

[Ozwest]

because we live in a two party system

Or atleast the 'we" that didn't run away.

Cute.

I'd love to come back and visit some of my family, especially my bro.

Concerned that I might not pass your Homeland security.

Especially considering open minded people such as yourself might be minding the gates.

Ahhh... The price of freedom.

 

[Ozwest]

Or ARealConservative...

The price of being a insular prick?

 

[Michael Landon]

I plan on staying in the Republican Party. The way I see it is that a majority of us (Paul supporters) are 35 and younger where the majority of the rest of the Republican Party are 45 and older. In most cases they are 55 and older, just look at the differences between the two conventions. The Paul supporters at the Rally were all really young and the delegates at the Republican Convention were all really old. In 10-15 years we will be firmly in charge of the party but we need to stay the course. With that said, I will be doing everything I can to support the 3rd parties like the Libertarian and Constitution Parties. With this election, there won't be a single vote cast by me for either of the major parties.

We each need to do our own things to accomplish the goal of returning this country to it's roots of freedom. There is no wrong way.

- ML

 

[tpreitzel]

Although this comment is technically the subject of another thread. Ron has consistently maintained that forming another party is impractical for various reasons. His main objection seems to be the money. Didn't he estimate at one time that the cost of forming another party would be near $500M? Now, we switch to the objections of the American people. They vote along the 2 party lines generally. In their minds, they're voting for the lesser of 2 evils. Would a brand new party infrastructure that solicited the disaffected lovers of freedom from the other main minority parties work at wooing those American voters who would normally vote for the Twiddle brothers? Would the option of financing and creating a new 3rd party be viable while we work within the other major parties to change them internally? Would the potential of this 3rd party initiate more rapid transformation toward liberty within the two major parties? Etc. etc....

 

[nc4rp]

nah we gonna take it over.

 

[Michael Landon]

Look what we accomplished in the last 18 months. Give us 10 years and the Republican Party will be filled with a majority of Ron Paul Republicans. This is a marathon, not a sprint.

- ML

 

[Ozwest]

Ron Paul advocates local / community government.

Why don't some of you talented individuals get started now.

And...

Show them how it's done.

Roll up your sleeves. Start locally.

 

[tpreitzel]

Look what we accomplished in the last 18 months. Give us 10 years and the Republican Party will be filled with a majority of Ron Paul Republicans. This is a marathon, not a sprint.

- ML

I agree, but I really wonder about the remaining time factor. I, personally, don't think we have another decade given the current circumstances. The formidable threat from the formation of a new 3rd party with the necessary resources for competing nationally could very likely cause abrupt, though temporary, changes in direction of the 2 major parties while we work within those major parties to transform them. In other words, surround and invade simultaneously.

 

[Rhys]

They have just demonstrated their lack of concern for fairness. They just made a nomination unanimous when it was not for the first time in Party history, and I believe United States history. Once upon a time, that convention hall would be burning. They will not accept us. They will deny us entry. They will refuse to announce our votes. They will nominate other candidates. They will rig the vote. They will do ANYTHING to get you to shut up and your voices quieted. We don't have the time to change their leadership, for they won't even let us vote on it. We would have to wait years until they died before they'd even let us have the chance. Trying to take this party will be like trying to take over the Communist Party of China.

Quit crying about what they do. Did you expect them to roll over and play dead? You and they can take their ball and go home; we have work to do.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Does he promote his agenda? Mine are longtime, and I do mean longtime, GOPers who sound great, and even told me in person they liked Ron Paul. They go to the legislature and merely vote in a slightly conservative way. They do not act to see REAL ID stopped, they just occasionally vote "No" on a budget bill that's too overblown. They do not ask for nullification of the PATRIOT ACT, they simply vote against bills that would see animals regulated.

What you do not see is that there are a LOT of disgruntled GOP'ers who love and I mean LOVE the US Constitution who have fled activism in disgust. There are also still embattled others in the GOP who eat, sleep, and drink the Taft-Goldwater arm of the old GOP, who have held their post waiting for us, but who don't have the numbers to generate movement.

They do, now.

Ron Paul speaks to the hardline GOP Senator Robert Taft Club
See:

http://www.roberttaft.org/paul.htm

For the full story and youTube of the speech.
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Next Meeting :
Russia: Friend or Foe

Srdja Trifkovic, Igor Zevelev, Nicolas Gvosdev, one more speaker TBA

When: Monday April 7 7:00-10:00 PM --- Reception with light fare and pay bar at 7:00, program begins promptly at 8:00
Where: The Boulevard Woodgrill 2901 Wilson Blvd *Arlington, VA 22201
Parking and Directions

Both the establishment Right and Left believe that Russia poses a threat. Hillary Clinton said Vladimir Putin "doesn't have a soul," while John McCain has complained that Russia is "opposed to the principles of the Western democracies" and has urged that they be kicked out of the G8 and a "league of democracies" be formed to counter their influence. Is Russia an authoritarian threat, a potential ally, or simply a re-emerging world power who we need not antagonize. To offer some unconventional wisdom our speakers will be:

http://www.roberttaft.org/
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The Robert A Taft Club is a conservative organization associated with Pat Buchanan's The American Cause. Named after United States Senator Robert Taft, The Taft Club was founded by Marcus Epstein in 2006. The Club holds occasional meetings with panelists focused on a topic of particular controversy within conservative circles.

In the past, meetings have been held on the impact of the Religious Right, race and conservatism, the social significance of the Duke Lacrosse Case, the Right in Europe, and the future of the conservative movement.

The Taft Club has no official political affliation; however, its speakers and members are often described as paleoconservative, libertarian, paleolibertarian, and traditionalist.

The Taft Club has been highly critical of the Republican Party and in August 2007 held a meeting in which speakers discussed the possibility of the conservative movement ending their association with the GOP. The Taft Club has also been a venue for criticism of the Religious Right. In June, Doug Bandow spoke on the Religious Right's support of reckless, interventionary foreign policy and the Cato Institute's Michael Tanner on the Religious Right's role in the expansion of government. James C. Russell also spoke at the meeting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A_Taft_Club
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Born: 8 September 1889
Birthplace: Cincinnati, Ohio
Died: 31 July 1953
Best Known As: The U.S. Senate's "Mr. Republican"

Robert A. Taft was known as "Mr. Republican" for his dominance during the years 1939-1953, when he served as a U.S. senator from Ohio. Taft is most famous for his steady opposition to Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal policies, and for sponsoring the Taft-Hartley Labor Relations Act of 1947. Taft was the son of Helen Herron Taft and William Howard Taft, U.S. president from 1909-1913. Robert Taft stood for the GOP presidential nomination three different times, but never received the nomination; in 1952 he was considered a frontrunner but was defeated by war hero Dwight Eisenhower. Taft became Senate majority leader just before his death in 1953.

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: Robert Alphonso Taft

(born Sept. 8, 1889, Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S. — died July 31, 1953, New York, N.Y.) U.S. politician. The son of William H. Taft, he served in the Ohio legislature before being elected to the U.S. Senate (1939 – 53). He became known as a strong advocate of traditional conservativism and earned the nickname "Mr. Republican." He opposed centralizing power in the federal government and cosponsored the Taft-Hartley Act to restrict organized labour. An isolationist, he opposed U.S. involvement in postwar international organizations. He was a favourite-son candidate for president at Republican Party national conventions, especially in 1948 and 1952, but internationalists in the party opposed his conservative views. After the election of Dwight Eisenhower, Taft became Senate majority leader and Eisenhower's chief adviser in the Senate.

http://www.answers.com/topic/robert-a-taft
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Quotes:

"The only method by which people can be supported is out of the effort of those who are earning their own way. We must not create a deterrent to hard work."

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The Robert A. Taft Memorial, featuring a 10-foot statue and a bell tower, is located north of the Capitol on Constitution Avenue. The inscription on the tower reads:

This Memorial to Robert A. Taft, presented by the people to the Congress of the United States, stands as a tribute to the honesty, indomitable courage, and high principles of free government symbolized by his life.

 

[Ozwest]

Quit crying about what they do. Did you expect them to roll over and play dead? You and they can take their ball and go home; we have work to do.

And what work is that?

Mindless commitment?

Liberty is telling people what they do not want to hear.

 

[hotbrownsauce]

Patients

We will win back our country one way or another. Whether it be by taking back the Republican Party, voting for a 3rd party, by pressuring our representatives at all levels, by civil disobedience, or by the 2nd amendment shall our government ever become absolutely tyrannical. Some may say that it is tyrannical.
We are all confused, we want this crappy government to end and all of us are finding any and all means to do it. I think, that right there shows real spirit and dedication on our part. Our coalition just formed (C4L) and we don't know how it will work. Look at it in this perspective, if 200 years ago you told someone that you could eventually talk to someone in China from the USA in real time (telephone) they'd say, "get out of here your crazy!" The same thing can be said about this Rally For the Republic. Lets give this thing a try with our full effort. Just look what we have done over the last 2 years. As Ron Paul says we've accomplished more than he could have dreamed. Maybe we'll surprise ourselves and accomplish more than we could have dreamed in the C4L!

I'm not ready to break away from Ron Paul yet, he has only united us and played just as big of a role in getting this Revolution started and we thank him by turning our back on him because we have no patients? Get real, Ron Paul is 1 half of this movement and we are the other. I'm not turning my back on Ron Paul hes my only spokes person who can get the message out on the scale he does. Hes put in 30 years of his life for us and we can't put in only a few for him? I think we need to respect this man and his ideas because with out him none of this would be here now. Sure do your own thing I wont stop you. Just remember what he has done over his WHOLE LIFE TIME! Hes sacrificed a lot for this I'm not throwing away his life work just yet.

I know most of you will be with me by my side... I'll be seeing you in the campaign for liberty!

Shall the time come for other measures we are all smart enough to figure out what we need to do.

 

[Ozwest]

Patients

We will win back our country one way or another. Whether it be by taking back the Republican Party, voting for a 3rd party, by pressuring our representatives at all levels, by civil disobedience, or by the 2nd amendment shall our government ever become absolutely tyrannical. Some may say that it is tyrannical.
We are all confused, we want this crappy government to end and all of us are finding any and all means to do it. I think that right there shows real spirit and dedication on our part. Our coalition just formed and we don't know how it will work. Look at it in this perspective, if 200 years ago you told someone that you could eventually talk to someone in China from the USA in real time (telephone) they'd say, "get out of here your crazy!" The same thing can be said about this Rally For the Republic. Lets give this thing a try with our full effort. Look what we have done over the last 2 years. As Ron Paul says we've accomplished more than he could have dreamed. Maybe we'll surprise ourselves and accomplish more than we could have dreamed!

*If you see this I'm still EDITING this post*

I wished I could agree.

But...

Since I left the States, you have become creatures of comfort apathetic, and worst... Manipulated.

Get your shit together!