Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma

[pcosmar]

The only quote from the representative is:

[My constituents are] willing to have that discussion about whether marriage needs to be regulated by the state at all
.

I'm sure they are (willing). But that is not what this bill (as stated) is about. It is an attempt to KEEP Gay Marriage ILLEGAL

 

[invisible]

NO, Because of what the guy said about it.
And I have not read this bill (it is not posted),, BUT THE STATED PURPOSE is to keep Gay Marriage illegal.

If you know the bill number (I don't, offhand) it can be looked up here:
http://www.oklegislature.gov/AdvancedSearchForm.aspx

 

[torchbearer]

The only quote from the representative is:

[My constituents are] willing to have that discussion about whether marriage needs to be regulated by the state at all

Remember how the media misrepresents what Ron Paul says? Why would anyone thing they would treat this lawmaker from Oklahoma any differently? If it's not in quotes, don't believe the media when they say "So and so said such and such." The media would have you believe Ron Paul supports Al Qaeda and Rand Paul wants babies gassed in Syria.

does anyone have a copy of the bill to post in this thread.
that way we can read it?

 

[jmdrake]

NO, Because of what the guy said about it.
And I have not read this bill (it is not posted),, BUT THE STATED PURPOSE is to keep Gay Marriage illegal.

Well then by all means post a link. And post a quote to what the guy said. Until then all the evidence that's on the table is the article. And frankly I don't give a rip about the purpose of the bill. I only care about the effect. Everyone who actually understands the law knows that gay marriage is not illegal anywhere in the United States. There are no legal sanctions for gays getting married like there are for polygamists getting married or for people marrying close relatives. The definition of something being illegal is that there is a legal sanction for you doing it and not that there is no legal recognition. For example, elderberry extract is not recognized as "medicine" by the FDA. But it's not illegal. (Not yet anyway). On the flip side, marijuana is still illegal, though currently federal law is not being aggressively enforced in states that have legalized it. But if you don't believe me, the next time you are pulled over in most of the 50 states, show the cop some marijuana and some elderberry extract and get back with us on which got you legal sanctions.

 

[Petar]

You aren't thinking straight Pete. The legislation is aimed at removing government from marriage, and others are framing that as "making marriage illegal". No one is going to outlaw marriage for fuck's sake, they are talking about outlawing the government of Oklahoma from administering it...

 

[jmdrake]

I'm sure they are (willing). But that is not what this bill (as stated) is about. It is an attempt to KEEP Gay Marriage ILLEGAL

Except that gay marriage is already not "illegal" and hasn't been since sodomy laws were overturned. There is no state in the union where someone can be prosecuted for marrying someone of the same sex. That includes Oklahoma.

 

[Suzanimal]

I couldn't find the bill so I emailed Rep.Mike Turner for clarification.

 

[phill4paul]

does anyone have a copy of the bill to post in this thread.
that way we can read it?

From the article it doesn't seem to have been written yet.

He said the idea has the backing of other conservative lawmakers, and could be achieved through a shell bill he filed in the state legislature, intended to adapt to any court rulings on same-sex marriage.

So, much speculation until it is actually filed.

 

[torchbearer]

From the article it doesn't seem to have been written yet.



So, much speculation until it is actually filed.

this sentence is past tense:

a shell bill he filed in the state

I don't know what a shell bill is, but i wanna see it.
(please don't meme it)

 

[Petar]

One thing I know for sure is that no one is planning on creating a bill that makes marriage illegal. May as well try to outlaw breathing or something. Give me a frickin' break...

 

[specsaregood]

I couldn't find the bill so I emailed Rep.Mike Turner for clarification.

Yeah, I did some searching. I don't think his bill is complete yet, just introduced in shell form.
I think this is gonna be it:
http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=HB2466&Tab=0

AS INTRODUCED
An Act relating to marriage; creating the
Preservation of Marriage Act (POMA); providing for noncodification; and providing an effective date.

The OK site has "first reading" listed as 02/03/2014 so I assume it hasn't been completely introduced yet; but rather just scheduled to be introduced.

 

[invisible]

All legislation for this session is listed here:
http://www.oklegislature.gov/TextOfMeasures.aspx

It's possible the bill hasn't been filed yet.
While you're there, look over what legislation has been introduced by those guys running for Coburn and wankford's seats!

 

[torchbearer]

noncodification! YES!
that is the way to freedom.

 

[erowe1]

The word "preventing" in the title is ridiculous. We certainly know which side of this that news station stands on.

 

[torchbearer]

The word "preventing" in the title is ridiculous. We certainly know which side of this that news station stands on.

now that i've seen the shell bill, i don't see how you get preventing out of noncodification.

 

[pcosmar]

The word "preventing" in the title is ridiculous. We certainly know which side of this that news station stands on.

I have read several sources in searching for the actual text,, Which no one has.

They all,, (including Faux Snooze) present it's purpose as an attempt to Keep Gay Marriage Illegal,, and in opposition to Equal Protection under the Law.

It may spark debate about getting Government out of the equation.. But that is not the focus.

It is focused on preventing Gay marriage.

 

[jmdrake]

does anyone have a copy of the bill to post in this thread.
that way we can read it?

For the life of me I can't find it. I tried. His profile page at the Oklahoma state legislature has links for every bill he authored in 2013.

http://www.okhouse.gov/District.aspx?District=82

There's no mention of marriage in any of them. He first took office in 2013 so there's no earlier dates. Maybe this bill was introduced this month and no link to it is up yet? I did find this:

HB 1429 by Turner Receive Email Updates for this Measure (LENS)

Revenue and taxation; exempting qualifying firearms, ammunition and hunting supplies from state sales tax under specified conditions; effective date; emergency.

Nothing to do with marriage, but a good bill from the looks of it.

 

[jmdrake]

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[specsaregood]

FWIW: this guy maxed out donations to Romney and his PAC during the last campaign cycle.

 

[invisible]

I have read several sources in searching for the actual text,, Which no one has.

They all,, (including Faux Snooze) present it's purpose as an attempt to keep Gay marriage Illegal,, and in opposition to Equal Protection under the Law.

I think you're missing the point. Yes, that is EXACTLY the intent: to keep gay marriage from becoming state sanctioned in OK. But whether or not you or anyone else agrees with that (I personally don't really agree with it either, I don't care who marries who, it's none of my business), don't the states have the right to make their own laws, instead of having the federal gov't cram it down their throats?