Keeping the Faith

[TheCount]

If a vote is tabulated so that it is recorded for Biden when it was meant for Trump, the vote was flipped.

I disagree. The paper ballots reflect the accurate vote and the tabulation tape reflects the accurate count. What has been flipped?

Once again, this type of error cannot possibly create the type of fraud which has been alleged to have occurred.

Edit: And I am a bit disappointed by your lack of genuineness here. You went through the entire report cherry picking to find old vulnerabilities AND YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED REPORTS OF WHAT WENT WRONG IN 2019 AND 2020!

Whoa, whoa. I went to the part of the letter that you quoted, scrolled down to the footnotes attached to each one of those sentences that you quoted and read the articles which supported the complaints that you quoted.

If you have a problem with the parts of the letter that I researched, that's your problem.

In addition, researchers recently uncovered previously
undisclosed vulnerabilities in "nearly three dozen backend election systems in 10 states."15 And,
just this year, after the Democratic candidate's electronic tally showed he received an improbable
164 votes out of 55,000 cast in a Pennsylvania state judicial election in 2019, the county's
Republican Chairwoman said, " [ n ]othing went right on Election Day. Everything went wrong.
That's a problem."16

Deal with ^that part of the report if you can. Don't give me crap about "Oh these are politicians seeking a bigger budget." There are all sorts of ways people can request a bigger budget. You are acting like a conspiracy theorist in order to try to debunk a conspiracy theory.

I did deal with that part of the report. Maybe instead of rapidly slamming out a reply to me, you should read what I wrote. See the little "15" and "16" citations? Here you go... this is the material which backs up those claims, quoted from my previous post.

15: Nothing in this article is about vulnerabilities, it's about the fact that people connected voting systems to the internet when they should not have.

The top voting machine company in the country insists that its election systems are never connected to the internet. But researchers found 35 of the systems have been connected to the internet for months and possibly years, including in some swing states.

16: The situation describes is similar to what happened in that one county in Michigan, where the voting software itself worked fine but the tabulation software was fucked. Nobody's vote was flipped. All votes were accurately tallied on their paper ballots.

With clearly faulty results in at least the judge’s election, officials began counting the paper backup ballots generated by the same machines. The paper ballots showed Mr. Kassis winning narrowly, 26,142 to 25,137, over his opponent, the Republican Victor Scomillio.

It's pretty rich calling someone disingenuous when you can't even be bothered to read their posts.

 

[pcosmar]

Somebody fixed that video


https://streamable.com/stdb24

Found another.

 

[showpan]

 

[jmdrake]

There wasn't a software screwup, there was a person screwup where they realized that they didn't update the software.

That is a convenient excuse. But a requirement for an update is typically a result of a software screwup in the first place.

16: The situation describes is similar to what happened in that one county in Michigan, where the voting software itself worked fine but the tabulation software was $#@!ed. Nobody's vote was flipped. All votes were accurately tallied on their paper ballots.

Byllshyt answer. Whether a vote gets flipped when a voter enters it or it gets flipped when tabulation software ALSO WRITTEN BY DOMINION tabulates it, there is still a flip! And what kind of system gives votes to the other candidate when it's not "updated" properly? That question has not been answered. How about a release of the source code so that independent computer scientists can audit the code to see what happened? What you have is a system where votes can be mass assigned to another candidate and if they get caught the criminals can say "Oops! My mistake. Human error." The perfect crime with the perfect alibi. Technically all computer errors are "human errors" because humans design, program, administer and use the computers. A well written program is designed to prevent "human error." Does the software even have a digital signature on it to make sure that the version that's on it is the one people are expecting to be on it? Why aren't the machines fully configured at a central location in view of observers from the various campaigns and then sealed before going out to the precincts? A "human error" could be a bad actor at the precinct loading the "update" wrong on purpose.

It's pretty rich calling someone disingenuous when you can't even be bothered to read their posts.

I read your post. Multiple times. And calling you disingenuous is me being generous. You are trying to pretend that a flip cannot happen at the tabulation level. That's nonsense.

 

[jmdrake]

I agree and from what I have seen these grifters are so hurting the cause of those than can actually prove voter fraud. You flood the net with long videos like this people are going to automatically ignore it blow it all off as grifting.

It is 2020, everyone knows it is grifting at this point with these long youtube videos so they are largely ignored except for newbies that are not burned out on it yet. If people really want to get their point across about voter fraud then they would spell it out in writing and only use short videos showing the actual fraud taking place.

The video I posted wasn't long at all and despite [MENTION=58229]TheCount[/MENTION] dishonest characterization, Viva Frei is the opposite of propaganda. Further I gave TheCount direct quotes from the letter from Democrats raising the same concerns about voter fraud with Dominion voting machines that Republicans are now raising. The basic problem is that it is too easy to get the Dominion tabulation software to flip votes. TheCount falsely claims that it's not "vote flipping" if the tabulation software does it. That's nonsense. And yeah, it's great that there is a paper trail. But hand recounts are expensive. So a simple way to steal votes where you don't have any risk of getting busted is to screw with the tabulation software (especially if everyone else has to leave because of a fake plumbing problem) and if you get caught just say "human error" and your shills in the media will cover for you. You know me. I'm not a Trumper. But this stinks to high heaven.

 

[kahless]

The video I posted wasn't long at all and despite [MENTION=58229]TheCount[/MENTION] dishonest characterization, Viva Frei is the opposite of propaganda. Further I gave TheCount direct quotes from the letter from Democrats raising the same concerns about voter fraud with Dominion voting machines that Republicans are now raising. The basic problem is that it is too easy to get the Dominion tabulation software to flip votes. TheCount falsely claims that it's not "vote flipping" if the tabulation software does it. That's nonsense. And yeah, it's great that there is a paper trail. But hand recounts are expensive. So a simple way to steal votes where you don't have any risk of getting busted is to screw with the tabulation software (especially if everyone else has to leave because of a fake plumbing problem) and if you get caught just say "human error" and your shills in the media will cover for you. You know me. I'm not a Trumper. But this stinks to high heaven.

I agree with you on the voter fraud but the video I clicked on was 12 minutes. No one has time for all these long videos continually being posted everywhere when it can be summed up in an article with short videos showing the fraud. (like the videos I have seen of people actually trashing votes)

 

[TheCount]

That is a convenient excuse. But a requirement for an update is typically a result of a software screwup in the first place.

In this case, the update was to tell the machine what the layout of the tabulation machine's output was. It was literally putting the wrong numbers in the wrong place.

In order to report unofficial results, county clerks use election management system software to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results. Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results.

Byllshyt answer. Whether a vote gets flipped when a voter enters it or it gets flipped when tabulation software ALSO WRITTEN BY DOMINION tabulates it, there is still a flip! And what kind of system gives votes to the other candidate when it's not "updated" properly? That question has not been answered.

I just answered. The software had the columns from the output of the tabulator in the wrong order. You're welcome.

The voting machine and the tabulator are both made by Dominion and both worked correctly. Whatever software Michigan used to take the output of the tabulator and combine it was the problem.

Why aren't the machines fully configured at a central location in view of observers from the various campaigns and then sealed before going out to the precincts?

Because proponents of small government usually consider such a thing to be anathema and so fight against it.

I read your post. Multiple times. And calling you disingenuous is me being generous. You are trying to pretend that a flip cannot happen at the tabulation level. That's nonsense.

I never said that. What I said is that this type of error cannot possibly cause the fraud which is alleged to have taken place. The paper ballots and tabulation are both accurate.

 

[Mordan]

In this case, the update was to tell the machine what the layout of the tabulation tape was. Obviously, without that layout you can't scan right, which is how that precinct's numbers got screwed up. It was literally putting the wrong numbers in the wrong place.





I just answered. The software had the columns on the tabulation tape in the wrong order. You're welcome.





Because proponents of small government usually consider such a thing to be anathema and so fight against it.





I never said that. What I said is that this type of error cannot possibly cause the fraud which is alleged to have taken place. The paper ballots and tabulation are both accurate.

you must be paid to write here.

 

[TheCount]

you must be paid to write here.

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion. It is much appreciated.

 

[showpan]

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion. It is much appreciated.

The Count asks a question at 19:10. The Count successfully deboonks it at 20:45. Then we found you answering this question beginning at 29:10. The Count does a great job here too, thank you comrade. You are a great American and a valued asset here at RPF!





Also, same video. The Count can be seen here in the purple shirt at 10:20 in the upper right hand screen running the same stack of ballots through the machine 3 times. I'm sure you only did this to make sure those ballots were COUNTed correctly. Thank you sir!! Your service is greatly appreciated.

 

[showpan]

Found another.

Have you seen this one?

 

[Working Poor]

I think Trump could win but the price will be high.The price of Biden getting in will also be high.I am almost certain there will be a war with bullets and bombs either way.


My son like most of the people who voted for Biden thinks people who oppose Biden/Harris will not fight . Yea, well we will see.

 

[showpan]

I think Trump could win but the price will be high.The price of Biden getting in will also be high.I am almost certain there will be a war with bullets and bombs either way.


My son like most of the people who voted for Biden thinks people who oppose Biden/Harris will not fight . Yea, well we will see.

There are 10's of thousands right now just waiting for the word. Hopefully Trump uses the insurrection act before that happens. He must exhaust all legal avenues set forth by the constitution first. Once they have been exhausted, he has the grounds to use the insurrection act and round them all up. Judges who illegally threw out lawsuits with mountains of evidence, Politicians who illegally certified a fraudulent election knowing mountains of evidence exists while using foreign monies. State Elections officials, local elections boards, poll workers, the USPS, the media who were in collusion with them. Military tribunals for them all. If it doesn't happen, then Americans WILL rise up. 1776!!!

 

[kahless]

removed. wrong thread

 

[TheCount]

Once they have been exhausted, he has the grounds to use the insurrection act and round them all up. Judges who illegally threw out lawsuits with mountains of evidence, Politicians who illegally certified a fraudulent election knowing mountains of evidence exists while using foreign monies. State Elections officials, local elections boards, poll workers, the USPS, the media who were in collusion with them. Military tribunals for them all. If it doesn't happen, then Americans WILL rise up. 1776!!!

I love how certain people will scream about a color revolution and how BLM are going to do this, that, and the other...


And then they say shit like this and reveal that it's just projection. They think that the left wants to abolish the constitution and kill everyone on the right because it's what they themselves actively advocate for and hope will happen, in reverse obviously.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I love how certain people will scream about a color revolution and how BLM are going to do this, that, and the other...


And then they say $#@! like this and reveal that it's just projection. They think that the left wants to abolish the constitution and kill everyone on the right because it's what they themselves actively advocate for and hope will happen, in reverse obviously.

Your side started and openly proclaims the war, don't act shocked that our side is ready to fight back and win.
You have made yourselves into domestic enemies and allied with foreign enemies, what comes will be your own fault.

 

[TheCount]

Your side started and openly proclaims the war, don't act shocked that our side is ready to fight back and win.
You have made yourselves into domestic enemies and allied with foreign enemies, what comes will be your own fault.

Are you the DM of your roleplay group?

 

[jmdrake]

Your side started and openly proclaims the war, don't act shocked that our side is ready to fight back and win.
You have made yourselves into domestic enemies and allied with foreign enemies, what comes will be your own fault.

Your side is pre-positioning federal troops under the guise of distributing a vaccine that most Americans are wary of. Your side told Bob Woodward "I know this is really bad, but I don't want people to panic." Your side banned bumpfire stocks by executive order, pushed for an assault weapons ban in 2002 and then again after being president. Your side restarted Wuhan gain of function virus research funding in 2017 after it had been stopped in 2014. Your side didn't take moves to fire Fauci but just through it out as a campaign promise. Your side is right now taking donations under the guise of funding recount efforts but in the fine print admitting that no small donations will actually go to the recount efforts. Your side said "lock her up" but took no actual moves to "lock her up." Your side is feckless and weak. Thankfully there are more than two sides.

 

[jmdrake]

I just answered. The software had the columns from the output of the tabulator in the wrong order. You're welcome.

The voting machine and the tabulator are both made by Dominion and both worked correctly. Whatever software Michigan used to take the output of the tabulator and combine it was the problem.

That is simply not true. From you link Dominion made the software Michigan used to take the output of the tabulator and combine it. Here, from YOUR link.

Like many counties in Michigan, Antrim County uses the Dominion Voting Systems election management system and voting machines (ballot tabulators.) The county receives programming support from Election Source. Tabulators are programmed to scan hand marked, paper ballots. When machines are finished scanning the ballots, the paper ballots are retained and a totals tape showing the number of votes for each candidate in each race is printed from the machine.

In order to report unofficial results, county clerks use election management system software to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results. Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results.

It's not "whatever software Michigan used." It was the Dominion election management system. So you've now admitted that it was a software error but you tried to blame it on some "other" software. Wrong. It was Dominion software that flipped the votes.

I never said that. What I said is that this type of error cannot possibly cause the fraud which is alleged to have taken place. The paper ballots and tabulation are both accurate.

That is also not true. You said "No votes were flipped." That's different from saying "Votes may have been flipped but it did not cause the fraud that is being alleged." Moving goal posts is a sign of cognitive dissonance.

 

[jmdrake]

The count needs to be banned. Seriously

Waste of people’s valuable time

Col Waldren has gone into details about how insecure Domions systems are

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4925777/user-clip-ret-col-phil-waldren

Meh. Some of the Trump shills here waste people's time much worse. People trying to explain away Trump's bumpfire stock ban, push for red flag laws, push for "Operation Warp Speed", push to have the military distribute the warp speed vaccine etc are far more damning to the cause of liberty. The easiest way to lose your freedom to excuse team red when they are taking it away.

I have warned forum members before.

Ignore him. And keep calling him out. Banning him? No. Keep people aware that even in our own ranks idiocy, intellectual fraudsters and agitators creep inside.

I use him as information from the enemy. By his existence and behavior, he is revealing the intentions of his masters.

^This

Cool story bro.

Still doesn't explain how the paper ballots match the computer counts if the computers are flipping votes.

Do you think vote flipping only happens at the voting machine or don't you? Because you've argue inconsistently on that. The truth is that the Dominion "election management system" was involved in the whole process. That is from the voting to the tabulating to combining the tabulating that is reported as the official result. I got all of this from YOUR link, so thank you for helping me disprove your argument. And just because a paper trail allows such problems to be "fixed" doesn't mean they weren't real problems. That's why the recounts netted Trump thousands of additional real votes.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgi...presidential-race/I75NSPYYGNF43HQZBPYKJWJ5MA/

Of course those were not enough to change the outcome. But that wasn't the only problem. Add to that the "vote harvesting issue." Even proponents of the mass mail in ballot scheme will admit that not all of the Georgia ballot drop boxes were secure. Why is that a problem? Because each state has a database who votes in which primaries. Do if you have access to that database on your cellphone and you go to an un-secure drop box, you can go through all the ballots and toss the ones for voters who have voted in Republican primaries. And that doesn't get to the issue of volunteers "helping people" fill out their ballots. Yep, that happens in all elections, but it potentially happened on a much larger scale this time.