Judge Rules Trump Committed Fraud, Stripping Control of Key Properties

[acptulsa]

Then there are those that say Trump is the deep state or paid opposition or???

And..?

What do you think they can't or won't do to make their controlled opp look legit? You think they wouldn't call him mean names? You think this case wasn't rigged?

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

And..?

What do you think they can't or won't do to make their controlled opp look legit? You think they wouldn't call him mean names? You think this case wasn't rigged?

Do you think he will be made financially whole when this is over? Will his net worth be more or less than it would have been had he not gotten into politics?
From what I see, people with $200,000 salaries amass great wealth from a few years in politics. If he is deep state and playing along, he should be well compensated.

 

[acptulsa]

Do you think he will be made financially whole when this is over?

Never mind that this is a clown operation...

You're going to be a lot more uncertain where your next meal is coming from than he ever will be. Ever.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

You're going to be a lot more uncertain where your next meal is coming from than he ever will be. Ever.

That may be true but, has no bearing on the diminishment or advancement of his wealth.
Do you think Trump's and his total assets will be worth more in the future from him being a deep state asset?
Do you support the NY charges and what they are doing to him?

 

[acptulsa]

That may be true but, has no bearing on the diminishment or advancement of his wealth.
Do you think Trump's and his total assets will be worth more in the future from him being a deep state asset?

Already are.

Do you support the NY charges and what they are doing to him?

When I called it a rigged clown show, you thought that might be complimentary..?

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Already are.



When I called it a rigged clown show, you thought that might be complimentary..?

We should understand that some threads are very long, and some comments are interlinked with many threads. I don't remember or maybe never read what you have said previously. Furthermore as I am sure you would attest, just because someone says something about xyz doesn't mean they would be consistent or think the same about ABC.
So are you insinuating or stating as fact that Trump's assets will be worth more after he loses a half billion to NYC? Is this opinion or actual fact?

 

[acptulsa]

So are you insinuating or stating as fact that Trump's assets will be worth more after he loses a half billion to NYC? Is this opinion or actual fact?

I have no idea what, if any, electrons are going to get shuffled around in real bank computers over this soap opera.

Are you saying that Trump hasn't been making bank since January 2017?

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

I have no idea what, if any, electrons are going to get shuffled around in real bank computers over this soap opera.

Are you saying that Trump hasn't been making bank since January 2017?

I have no idea.
Any person with investments and On Going Concerns should be getting a ROI that justifies the ownership.
My guess/opinion is that being President of the USA and the after effect has not enhanced his wealth or portfolio. I am pretty confident that his wealth would be much greater had he not been in politics. But I clearly admit I have no idea or basis for my opinion.

 

[acptulsa]

My guess/opinion is that being President of the USA and the after effect has not enhanced his wealth or portfolio.

My guess is that's terribly naive.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

My guess is that's terribly naive.

How about you set up a poll?

 

[acptulsa]

How about you set up a poll?

1. This thread is six months old.

2. I'm not the OP.

3. Whether or not people think the Trumps and Kushners have made a mint from his activities the last eight years has no bearing whatsoever on what has happened in reality.

There is no safety in naivete no matter how many people join you there. Quite the opposite. A crowd of naive people just makes it harder to get out when the place catches fire.

 

[spudea]

Even CNN admits a flash sale of Mara Lago could gross hundreds of millions, yet the corrupt NY judge said it was only worth $18million. The entire trial is a fraud on us all.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Before believing some buyer would be willing to pay $200 million + for the property I'd want to see a current appraisal of Mar-a-Lago (done by an expert not hired by either Trump or the NY AG) that values the property taking into account the existing conservation easement on it. It's doubtful the comparables the lady in the video referred to are similarly restricted.

 

[Intrepid]

How about you set up a poll?

It is always the right time for a poll.

 

[tebowlives]

Before believing some buyer would be willing to pay $200 million + for the property I'd want to see a current appraisal of Mar-a-Lago (done by an expert not hired by either Trump or the NY AG) that values the property taking into account the existing conservation easement on it. It's doubtful the comparables the lady in the video referred to are similarly restricted.

Yes, it's about what it would sell for. Does the existing conservation easement really play into it the purchasing price in a bad way? Why would the new buyer base their valuation on that when they could do away with it?

But Palm Beach real estate agents who specialize in high-end properties scoffed at the idea that the estate could be worth that little, in the unlikely event Trump ever sold.

“Ludicrous,” agent Liza Pulitzer said about the judge citing the county’s tax appraisal as a benchmark. Homes a tenth the size of Mar-a-Lago on tiny inland lots sell for that in the Town of Palm Beach, a wealthy island enclave.

“The entire real estate community felt it was a joke when they saw that figure,” said Pulitzer, who works for the firm Brown Harris Stevens.

“That thing would get snapped up for hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars,” said Rob Thomson, owner of Waterfront Properties and a Mar-a-Lago member. “There is zero chance that it’s going to sell for $40 million or $50 million.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...valuations-are-at-the-core-of-his-fraud-trial

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Yes, it's about what it would sell for. Does the existing conservation easement really play into it the purchasing price in a bad way? Why would the new buyer base their valuation on that when they could do away with it?

What makes you think the buyer could eliminate the easement?

 

[tebowlives]

What makes you think the buyer could eliminate the easement?

That's true. Pay the going rate which is understandable. Take away the tax benefits which is not understandable.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

That's true. Pay the going rate which is understandable. Take away the tax benefits which is not understandable.

There is no "going rate". The owner of the easement, the National Trust for Historic Preservation, could charge whatever it wanted to terminate the easement, even assuming it could legally terminate the easement without a court order and without jeopardizing its tax-exempt status, both of which are extremely doubtful.

 

[tebowlives]

There is no "going rate". The owner of the easement, the National Trust for Historic Preservation, could charge whatever it wanted to terminate the easement, even assuming it could legally terminate the easement without a court order and without jeopardizing its tax-exempt status, both of which are extremely doubtful.

Going rate as in the selling price at that time

 

[jmdrake]

Why don't Trump's sons post their own appeal bond?

I'm not a Trump fan, but I think these civil cases are a joke. I agree with Kevin O'Leary's assessment that if inflating assets to secure a bank loan is a crime then there are a LOT of real estate developers that need to be prosecuted. That said, to day is the deadline for the $454 million bond from Donald Trump. But he wasn't the only one convicted. From this article on The Hill:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4550535-trump-bond-deadline-fraud-case-nears/

The trial and its aftermath have also enveloped his adult children, specifically Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr., both of whom serve as executive vice presidents of the Trump Organization. The brothers were ordered to pay more than $4.6 million each and were barred for two years from serving in top leadership roles for any New York company.​

They each have just as much right to appeal a $4.6 million judgment as their dad has to appeal a $454 million judgment. At the appeal bond would be 1% of what their dad has to pay. Surely between the 3 of them they can come up with $4.6 million. That GoFundMe for Trump made it to $2.5 million. It would be the exact same issues on appeal so as long as one defendant won on appeal all would be able to take advantage of it. Or am I missing something?

Edit: I still don't like Trump. But legal puzzles like this fascinate me.