Judge Rules Trump Committed Fraud, Stripping Control of Key Properties

Philhelm said:
Notorious serial killers don't get "90+ felony indictments." You keep harping on this as an argument winner, but if anything, it highlights the problem of government abuse of power.
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You are right, Trump would do the same thing to Biden if elected again.
 
Occam's Banana said:
New York Democrats ADMIT To Targeting Trump
https://odysee.com/@actualjusticewarrior:2/new-york-democrats-admit-to-targeting:0
{Actual Justice Warrior | 21 February 2024}

In this video I discuss the recent ruling by a New York Judge that Trump must pay $355 million for a fraud case that has no legal basis.

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The article referenced in the video:

President Trump's Kafkaesque Civil Trial in New York State
A Stalinist nightmare in New York State
https://reason.com/volokh/2024/02/18/president-trumps-kafkaesque-civil-trial-in-new-york-state/
{Steven Calabrisi | 18 February 2024}

[all emphasis in the original - OB]

Donald Trump has been ordered to pay a $355 million fine and has been barred from doing business in New York State for three years. Judge Arthur Engoron ordered Trump to pay essentially all of his cash reserves of $400 million, which fine if upheld would force Trump to sell some of his real estate holdings to raise cash to live on. Once interest is added on the total fine will rise to $450 million. This is all on top of an $83.3 million fine Trump must pay for allegedly defaming the writer E. Jean Carroll. The fines in total could deprive Trump of between 11% and 13% of his wealth. Trump's adult sons Donald Jr. and Eric have also been fined, and they are barred from doing business in New York State for two years. Ivanka or Melania Trump could legally run the Trump businesses for the next two years, but Judge Engoron appointed retired U.S. District Judge Barbara Jones to continue in her role as an "independent monitor" of the Trump business empire but expanded her authority to review financial disclosures before they are submitted to third parties. Judge Jones can hire an independent director of compliance, and she has the authority to compel Trump to sell some or even all of his businesses down the road. This is all punishment for Trump allegedly committing fraud by falsely in inflating and deflating the value of his real estate assets to pay lower state taxes and to receive more favorable loans from banks.

The New York State laws used to go after Trump have NEVER been used in this way, historically, and while Trump may owe some back state taxes, if Judge Engoron is right, not a single bank claimed that it had been defrauded by Trump in the loans it had made to him. This is truly a victimless crime.

Bankers took the stand at Trump's civil trial testifying that they would have gladly made loans to Donald Trump given his extraordinary success as a businessman. It must also be noted that the banks that made loans to Trump did not take his assessment of the net worth of his assets at face value but made their own independent assessments of the value of Trump's assets. This is apparently standard practice in the New York State real estate market where borrowers often overstate the value of their assets.

The bottom line is that a never before used New York State penalty has been twisted into a tool for a grossly excessive fine and more seriously the completely inappropriate appointment of Judge Jones as an "independent monitor" who can micromanage the Trump business, which she is not competent to do, and to even order the dissolution of the Trump Business in New York State. This outcome was pursued by Letitia James, a politically ambition Democrat, who is the Attorney General of New York State, and who hopes to win a future Democratic primary for Governor of or Senator from New York State.

Ms. James and Judge Engeron have essentially turned a vaguely worded New York State law into a modern day Bill of Attainder targeted at Donald Trump both for political gain and because they despise his political views and desperately want to call his truthfulness into question as he runs for President of the United States inn 2024. In doing this, the have violated Trump's First Amendment right to freedom of speech and of the press; his Fifth Amendment right not to be deprived of liberty or property without due process of law; his Fifth Amendment right not to have property taken away from him except for a pubic use with just compensation being paid; his Eighth Amendment right not to be made to pay an excessive fine; his Article IV, Section 2 right as a citizen of Florida to do make and enforce contracts in New York on the same terms as are other New Yorkers; and his Fourteenth Amendment right to be free to pursue an occupation without unnecessary and burdensome regulation.

The civil fraud judgment against Donald Trump is a travesty and an unjust political act rivaled only in American politics by the killing of former Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton by Vice President Aaron Burr. If the New York State appellate courts do not reverse this judgment, the U.S. Supreme Court MUST grant cert on this case and reverse Judge Engeron's outrageous decisions. National, presidential politics will be permanently altered if a local State's legal system can be used in this way against candidates for President of the United States. This case raises a national issue of profound importance and if the New York State appellate courts do not address it, the U.S. Supreme Court MUST!
 
Trump was such a poor businessman that the Rothchilds had to bail him out so they could use him.
They kept his brand alive for future employment. Their agent Wilbur Ross, who Trump put in his administration, did the paperwork.
It's all in the public information.
 
Snowball said:
Trump was such a poor businessman that the Rothchilds had to bail him out so they could use him.
They kept his brand alive for future employment. Their agent Wilbur Ross, who Trump put in his administration, did the paperwork.
It's all in the public information.
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They did more than that. They bought him a TV prime time network slot to polish that brand and build up his new tough guy persona.
 
Occam's Banana said:
(quoting Reason)

The civil fraud judgment against Donald Trump is a travesty and an unjust political act rivaled only in American politics by the killing of former Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton by Vice President Aaron Burr.
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Hamilton actually had a chance to defend himself.
 
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Hamilton was a piece of fucking shit.

Was literally an agent for the central banking cartel.

Aaron Burr is a national hero, should legit have a monument in DC.

Jackson was almost as based as Burr, devoting his efforts to stopping the establishment of a central bank.
 
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Matt4Liberty said:
Exactly. These are the exact type of court proceedings that you had during communist times. This is how my grandfather ended up in a prison work camp for 13 years. Once we're the ones in the prison work camp, I'll have a little schadenfreude meeting people like 69360 that think this starts and ends with Trump.
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Prisoner?
[MENTION=32418]69360[/MENTION] gonna be Commandant.
 
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From the video: "the communists in power say, at least we are not poisoning anyone."
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Sez who?

This is how they started, 30 years ago, this was one of the first acts of the Clinton regime, which in many ways is still running this shitshow.

This is what they did: they attacked a church, filled with diverse men, women and children, (never forget, roughly half of the Branch Davidians were "people of color") with volatile CS irritant gel, using tanks to bash into the building and deliver the agent, then shot the place up with pyrotechnic "flash bang" grenades (which they then lied about) setting the building on fire which combined with the high winds resulted in an inferno. Some, who were able to exit the rear of the building, out side of the MMOs coverage, were instead gunned down by automatic weapons fire.

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unknown said:
Unfortunately people's hypocrisy is not limited to a specific political party.

Most people don't have an issue suspending their "principles" so long as the victim is someone they don't like.
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Not sure if Judge E. had any principles to begin with.

But what can you do?

People will tell you that Trump will do the same thing when he takes office. Then those same people will mock Trump because he never went after Hillary.

It cannot be both things at once. You cannot both fear that Trump will abuse his power, and then mock him for not doing so. If you put that into a calculator it with throw out a syntax error.

“When I am Weaker Than You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom, Because that is according to my principles.”
― Frank Herbert, Children of Dune
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I am not a lawyer nor am I astute in these matters. But my question is what happened to the Corporate, or LLC or ??? Shield that protects the person from their business dealings.

What good is it to go thru all the BS of forming legal entities to have them pierced at will by the justice system.
 
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