Judge Rules Trump Committed Fraud, Stripping Control of Key Properties

[Sonny Tufts]

Valued by who [sic]??? The prosecution just made up those numbers what the "actual" valuations should be and the Judge accepted them and barred the defense from presenting evidence disputing the valuations the prosecution used.

If you had bothered to read the judge's order, you would have discovered that the numbers weren't made up by the prosecution but came from valuations done by professional appraisers, some of whom were hired by the Trump Organization.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Valued by who??? The prosecution just made up those numbers what the "actual" valuations should be and the Judge accepted them and barred the defense from presenting evidence disputing the valuations the prosecution used.

That's precisely what Kevin O'Learly said, there was no crime. What he did is their job, that's what real estate developers do. They over-value their assets to sell them, or to get more loans. Banks push back and do their own due diligence. Buyers offer what they believe it's worth. It doesn't matter what the developer thinks it is worth, it's just a sales pitch. Valuing assets is subjective, there is no objective value. There are different methods to valuing assets for different purposes. The bankers testified that Trump did nothing wrong.
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FFS, over-valuing assets is the bedrock of any transaction.

This and the Alex Jones fine are some of the most insane fucking civil court rulings I've seen, and it doesn't stop with them.

There's some serious and blatant "fraud" going on here ↓↓↓.

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Someone alert the Roman praetorian gaurds NY Attorney General's office!

The State needs to dictate what the proper valuations "really" are.​

"Comrade, you sold a car to someone in 2005, and it was above the official government estimate of appropriate value as determined by us yesterday. Off to Gulag for you. Such crime can not be tolerated in our great Democracy."​

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Are you implying Trump didn't commit crimes? That is delusional.

The list of crimes committed by this ham sandwich are much worse than the crimes committed by the comparable tuna-fish sandwich.

 

[69360]

The list of crimes committed by this ham sandwich are much worse than the crimes committed by the comparable tuna-fish sandwich.

Trump and Biden both lead crime families.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Trump and Biden both lead crime families.

LOL. From the evidence that has been publicly presented, there is no comparison. Biden is as corrupt as they come. A true criminal by any criteria.

Trump is a billionaire businessman, as honest and ethical as Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg or your average large scale real estate developer.

 

[Philhelm]

"Comrade, you sold a car to someone in 2005, and it was above the official government estimate of appropriate value as determined by us yesterday. Off to Gulag for you. Such crime can not be tolerated in our great Democracy."

We actually did that. My wife works for a used car dealership and gets to drive cars from the lot as a perk. I work remotely so we decided to sell one of our cars since the used car market was hurting for inventory. She was able to negotiate $9,000, instead of the offered $7,000, and told the dealership manager (not her dealership) why he would accept the deal.

Trump is obviously a divisive figure here, and I can understand disliking him, but literally nobody on this site should be crowing about this civil suit or "90 felony charges," since it's the most ludicrous example of investigating a person rather than a crime. Hochul might assure people that it stops at Trump, but anyone with any sense knows that it won't stop at Trump in the long run.

 

[susano]

Trump and Biden both lead crime families.

Please list Trump's crimes.

 

[vita3]

Republicans need a new nominee.

Trump has filed for business bankruptcy four times: the Trump Taj Mahal in 1991, Trump Plaza Hotel in 1992, Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts in 2004 and Trump Entertainment Resorts in 2009. Each time, the bankruptcy was a Chapter 11 filing.

 

[Matt4Liberty]

Trump is obviously a divisive figure here, and I can understand disliking him, but literally nobody on this site should be crowing about this civil suit or "90 felony charges," since it's the most ludicrous example of investigating a person rather than a crime. Hochul might assure people that it stops at Trump, but anyone with any sense knows that it won't stop at Trump in the long run.

Exactly. These are the exact type of court proceedings that you had during communist times. This is how my grandfather ended up in a prison work camp for 13 years. Once we're the ones in the prison work camp, I'll have a little schadenfreude meeting people like 69360 that think this starts and ends with Trump.

 

[susano]

Exactly. These are the exact type of court proceedings that you had during communist times. This is how my grandfather ended up in a prison work camp for 13 years. Once we're the ones in the prison work camp, I'll have a little schadenfreude meeting people like 69360 that think this starts and ends with Trump.

What happened with your grandfather and where was that?

69360 probably believes Trump is paid by the Kremlin, too.

 

[69360]

Please list Trump's crimes.

The 90+ felony indictments are public record

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The 90+ felony indictments are public record

I'll only believe it if there is a "hate crime" enhancement included. Without that, it's not serious.

 

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[susano]

The 90+ felony indictments are public record

That's not evidence of any crime unless you think political enemies making accusations equals proof.

 

[spudea]

If you had bothered to read the judge's order, you would have discovered that the numbers weren't made up by the prosecution but came from valuations done by professional appraisers, some of whom were hired by the Trump Organization.

I recently purchased a home and negotiated a mortgage from a large bank. Did the bank just accept what the seller said the value of the home was? No of course not, the bank ordered their own appraisal and made me pay for it. If the appraisal came in significantly less than what the seller valued the home at, can I sue the seller for fraud??? No, I can't. This is done every day in the real estate business, and there are always different opinions on a property's value. Any bank that just accepts a stated value, failed to do their due diligence. Trump was negotiating loans from the largest banks in the world, these banks testified they simply accepted the stated values provided by Trump, they didn't order their own appraisals, that is their fault, not his. And apparently, they didn't even ask for copies of appraisals done by the Trump Org. They testified they were not harmed and simply gave high net worth individuals a 50% haircut before evaluating risk and loan terms. They didn't care about the "appraised value" of the properties.

Alternatively, if the appraisal came in at $150k, but the seller lists the property for sale at $200k, is that fraud?? NO!

I recently sold an old car as a trade in to a dealership, the dealer initially offered me $500, i thought that was too low so I declined. They came back and offered me $1000. I liked that better and was inclined to accepted but wanted to browse around different dealerships. Then they offered me $1500, which I thought was much higher than it was actually worth since I knew it had engine problems, so I accepted their offer. Since they paid me more than it was worth is that fraud??? NO!

 

[Working Poor]

Hey man it's all show biz...

 

[Matt4Liberty]

What happened with your grandfather and where was that?

69360 probably believes Trump is paid by the Kremlin, too.

It was in Communist Czechoslovakia in the '50s. He was very anti-communism. He was a customs agent and was accused of letting spies into the country and being against the party as a whole. He spent 13 years mostly mining uranium. There were some reforms in the 60s and they let him out early, otherwise it would have been 18 years. These style kangaroo courts were very common. It was very much along the lines of Beria's "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime."

 

[susano]

It was in Communist Czechoslovakia in the '50s. He was very anti-communism. He was a customs agent and was accused of letting spies into the country and being against the party as a whole. He spent 13 years mostly mining uranium. There were some reforms in the 60s and they let him out early, otherwise it would have been 18 years. These style kangaroo courts were very common. It was very much along the lines of Beria's "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime."

Wow. I'll bet your grandfather was a wealth of information about communism. I have a book that was written by a first hand experiencer of the Bolshevik revolution that's the most gut wrenching and interesting book I've ever read. If you're interested in that type of stuff, copies are sometimes for sale online (it's out of print) or otherwise you can read it here:

https://archive.org/details/Leaves_From_A_Russian_Diary

The experience of living through communist oppression is the biggest reason that so many of the eastern European countries are blind to the crimes of Ukraine and will always hate Russia. It's real problem and I understand it. I don't know if that wound will ever be healed and with Russia invading Ukraine (even though they had it coming) it's solidified their hatred.

 

[Occam's Banana]

New York Democrats ADMIT To Targeting Trump
https://odysee.com/@actualjusticewarrior:2/new-york-democrats-admit-to-targeting:0
{Actual Justice Warrior | 21 February 2024}

In this video I discuss the recent ruling by a New York Judge that Trump must pay $355 million for a fraud case that has no legal basis.

 

[Philhelm]

The 90+ felony indictments are public record

Notorious serial killers don't get "90+ felony indictments." You keep harping on this as an argument winner, but if anything, it highlights the problem of government abuse of power.