John Stossel Believes Ron Paul Will Be Placed Into Nomination At RNC

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[thatpeculiarcat]

Why in the hell does everyone believe that Ron Paul has 1,144 delegates? He doesn't, plain and simple. 600 at most, and that is extremely wishful thinking that we have a ton of stealth delegates.

I hope the delegates do nominate him, I hope Stossel is right, I hope Ron has to speak, fuck cause a riot if you have to! But at the end of the day Romney will still have 1,144+ delegates bound to vote for him on the first ballot.

But to entertain the idea of Ron Paul being the next President of the United States is one that's time sadly came many months ago.

 

[cocrehamster]

Why in the hell does everyone believe that Ron Paul has 1,144 delegates? He doesn't, plain and simple. 600 at most, and that is extremely wishful thinking that we have a ton of stealth delegates.

I hope the delegates do nominate him, I hope Stossel is right, I hope Ron has to speak, fuck cause a riot if you have to! But at the end of the day Romney will still have 1,144+ delegates bound to vote for him on the first ballot.

But to entertain the idea of Ron Paul being the next President of the United States is one that's time sadly came many months ago.

They mean nominated as in being placed on the ballot and given a 15 minute speech from having the support of 5 states, not actually winning the nomination.

 

[RickyJ]

Why in the hell does everyone believe that Ron Paul has 1,144 delegates? He doesn't, plain and simple. 600 at most, and that is extremely wishful thinking that we have a ton of stealth delegates.

I hope the delegates do nominate him, I hope Stossel is right, I hope Ron has to speak, fuck cause a riot if you have to! But at the end of the day Romney will still have 1,144+ delegates bound to vote for him on the first ballot.

But to entertain the idea of Ron Paul being the next President of the United States is one that's time sadly came many months ago.

No one thinks he has 1144 delegates right now. But if he is allowed to speak, maybe, just maybe he could influence enough to vote for him or abstain from voting so that Romney does not get the 1144 delegates on the first round to get the nomination. Then on a second round of voting anything is possible.

However unless he gets nominated from the floor he will not even have a chance to give his speech, much less possibly change delegates' minds to vote for him.

 

[thatpeculiarcat]

They mean nominated as in being placed on the ballot and given a 15 minute speech from having the support of 5 states, not actually winning the nomination.

Matt mentioned in his video winning not only the nomination but the presidency.
And he is not the only RP supporter that still believes winning the nomination is plausible.

No one thinks he has 1144 delegates right now. But if he is allowed to speak, maybe, just maybe he could influence enough to vote for him or abstain from voting so that Romney does not get the 1144 delegates on the first round to get the nomination. Then on a second round of voting anything is possible.

However unless he gets nominated from the floor he will not even have a chance to give his speech, much less possibly change delegates' minds to vote for him.

The likelihood of some 500-600 delegates having a change of heart at the last possible minute is something of a fairy tale novel, and unfortunately the magic died for most people in this campaign a long time ago.

 

[RickyJ]

The likelihood of some 500-600 delegates having a change of heart at the last possible minute is something of a fairy tale novel, and unfortunately the magic died for most people in this campaign a long time ago.

I didn't say it was likely, I said it was a possibility. The main goal right now is just to get the 15 minute unedited speech. If he gets that much, which he should, all of America will finally get a chance to hear this man!

 

[Chester Copperpot]

other candidates have gone in with less delegates and come out the nominee... people like abe lincoln i believe.

 

[affa]

Why in the hell does everyone believe that Ron Paul has 1,144 delegates?

if you're going to essentially insult the entire Ron Paul community, you should really, at the very least, understand what the word 'nominate' means. And then, after reading up on it, just stfu instead.

 

[thatpeculiarcat]

other candidates have gone in with less delegates and come out the nominee... people like abe lincoln i believe.

Harding in 1920 was 6th in delegates if I remember correctly and he emerged as the parties nominee.

However what people fail to realize is that there were more than 2 candidates during that convention!
In these times, all the candidates but one (and in this case two) drop out before the convention.

If Romney, Paul, Santorum, Gingrich, Perry, Batshitcrazylady, Cain, Pawlenty, Huntsman and Johnson were all still in the race at this point...and Romney hadn't clinched his magic number...sure, ANYTHING could happen and Paul could emerge victorious.

 

[thatpeculiarcat]

if you're going to essentially insult the entire Ron Paul community, you should really, at the very least, understand what the word 'nominate' means. And then, after reading up on it, just stfu instead.

But the video insinuates Paul will not just be nominated, but he will be the nominee...
There's a big fucking difference there! Everyone is going batshit crazy because he'll be nominated. Great. And Romney still obliterates him on the 1st ballot.

Guys, we lost this round. The fight isn't over but we have to be honest with ourselves. Ron Paul will not be the 45th President of the United States.

 

[RickyJ]

Ron Paul will not be the 45th President of the United States.

Why is it that you think you need to say this?

There is still a chance, a small chance, but a chance nevertheless.

True Ron Paul supporters NEVER GIVE UP!

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

But the video insinuates Paul will not just be nominated, but he will be the nominee...
There's a big fucking difference there! Everyone is going batshit crazy because he'll be nominated. Great. And Romney still obliterates him on the 1st ballot.

Guys, we lost this round. The fight isn't over but we have to be honest with ourselves. Ron Paul will not be the 45th President of the United States.

Another week and this will be put to bed and we can put on our big boy pants and move on...thankfully.

 

[RickyJ]

Another week and this will be put to bed and we can put on our big boy pants and move on...thankfully.

Here is a place for you to "move on" to:

http://www.MoveOn.org

 

[freedomordeath]

Why in the hell does everyone believe that Ron Paul has 1,144 delegates? He doesn't, plain and simple. 600 at most, and that is extremely wishful thinking that we have a ton of stealth delegates.

I hope the delegates do nominate him, I hope Stossel is right, I hope Ron has to speak, fuck cause a riot if you have to! But at the end of the day Romney will still have 1,144+ delegates bound to vote for him on the first ballot.

But to entertain the idea of Ron Paul being the next President of the United States is one that's time sadly came many months ago.

The outcome might not be good, BUT THE OBJECTIVES REMAIN THE SAME. 10 Days to go, time to GET FCKING FOCUSED, KEEP YOUR NEGATIVITY TO YOURSELF, you can bitch and moan after TAMPA.

 

[freedomordeath]

bump bump bump BUMP bump bump, these poeple are bumps in the road. Can you imagine in the ALAMO some dude in the background constantly reminding everyone they all gonna die. Really helpful that would be. STAY FOCUSED.

 

[thatpeculiarcat]

The outcome might not be good, BUT THE OBJECTIVES REMAIN THE SAME. 10 Days to go, time to GET FCKING FOCUSED, KEEP YOUR NEGATIVITY TO YOURSELF, you can bitch and moan after TAMPA.

Stop with calling it negativity. It's realism.
I applaud the efforts of all those who are trying to just get what is rightfully ours in Tampa, and it won't be all for naught, but we all have to be honest with ourselves. Romney has more than 1,144 delegates bound to vote for him on the first ballot. He wins no matter what happens.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Why in the hell does everyone believe that Ron Paul has 1,144 delegates?

I don't need to answer this question because you've already been informed that no one thinks that way.

If you had read the title of the thread and watched the video before jumping to conclusions, you would know that this was about getting Dr. Paul nominated at the convention. It was not necessarily about usurping Mitt Romney as the eventual nominee.

IMO, the future of liberty activism could very well depend on Dr. Paul speaking at that convention...in prime time for 15 minutes.

As for coming out of Tampa with Ron Paul as the nominee....

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I have not weighed in on this issue yet, but wanted to take the time to do so.

While I appreciate the desire of those wishing to see the delegates seated at the RNC and Ron Paul's name be placed into nomination. I guess the question that really needs to be posed is - for what end? So he gets a speech. And in reality who is watching that speech? The RNC will be viewed by very few Americans. In 2008 only 39 million people watched McCain's acceptance speech and only 39.5 million watched Obama's. Both of which are the "big event" of the respective conventions and were watched by only around 15% of the population. The rest of the event is watched by very few people.

And so he gets the speech. He won't win the nomination, since Romney already has more than enough delegates to win. There won't be any last minute switching of votes or some mass conversion to Ron Paul. That really is rooted in fantasy rather than reality. So again, the question needs to be raised - for what end is all this being done?

Sure the delegates were duly elected, sure it stinks that they are being challenged. But in all honesty, this infighting is doing nothing but creating animosity and driving a wedge between one group of Republicans and another. As I see it, none of this serves any real purpose. We had our shot to convince the American public that Ron Paul was the best man for the job - we failed at doing so. So much of what has been occurring comes across as sour grapes to outside observers. Will this help Ron Paul win the nomination? No. Will this mean that 10's of million of Americans will be glued to their TV watching his speech? No. Will this help the various congressional candidates that Ron Paul has endorsed get elected? No. This whole thing really does nothing to help our long term goals.

I have seen some mention the 1976 convention in their defense of their positions. There is a huge difference between 1976 and today. In 76 neither Reagan or Ford went into the RNC with enough delegates to clinch the nomination - it all came down to the unbound delegates. We are not even remotely close to that scenario this year.

There is a reason the other candidates suspend their campaign, and effectively release their delegates. Take Santorum for example who did win a plurality of delegates in 6 states. Why is he not fighting for his name to be placed into nomination? Because it serves no purpose. Nothing can be gained from it, other than a speech that few people will even watch.

Personally, I will be so glad when this is all over. It seems like many people here, and on other Ron Paul sites, are spending so much time and energy focused on this effort, which as I stated realistically will not change the course of history in any way.

I am sure this will piss some of you off, but as someone who has been following Presidential politics for more years that most of you have been alive, I really see all of this as an exercise in futility that is doing nothing to help our cause and advance our long term goals.

 

[kahless]

Another week and this will be put to bed and we can put on our big boy pants and move on...thankfully.

It suspect the speculation will continue after the convention. There will be threads about legal action and Romney disqualification.

 

[Liberty74]

The GOP hacks are doing everything in their power to make sure Ron doesn't get the 5 states. That is the whole point of the fighting, cheating and changing of the rules by these scumbag establishments at the state level. Ron currently only has 3 states in the bag. Hence, not guaranteed to be nominated and then be given a speaking slot. It's the worst nightmare to the GOP allowing Ron to speak. These conventions are carefully staged for the sake of the party, not the people. I believe that is why the RNC gave the okay for the Paul Festival on the 26th. Is that going to be televised or online?

BTW, Ron only has about 400-500 delegates most of them are soft supporters meaning they cannot vote for Ron in the first round. If so, they pay a huge penalty of jail time.