John Stossel Believes Ron Paul Will Be Placed Into Nomination At RNC

[Zarn Solen]

Jail time for what exactly?

 

[Nubraskan]

I am sure this will piss some of you off, but as someone who has been following Presidential politics for more years that most of you have been alive, I really see all of this as an exercise in futility that is doing nothing to help our cause and advance our long term goals.

I feel a Ron Paul speech at the convention would be a victory in that it shows dissent within the party. Whether or not it is covered, it will serve to support the fact that the establishment GOP is continually losing control over its base. It would be another landmark in the resistance. A subtle middle finger for Ron Paul to go out on. Especially in the face of all the counter-resistance.

I know we like to focus on practical gains in the movement, but at this point, this is a solid symbolic win that I think it worth focusing on in the short term.

I also don't think this is pulling away resources from anything particularly important at the moment. So there's always the argument of "why not?"

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I feel a Ron Paul speech at the convention would be a victory in that it shows dissent within the party. Whether or not it is covered, it will serve to support the fact that the establishment GOP is continually losing control over its base. It would be another landmark in the resistance. A subtle middle finger for Ron Paul to go out on. Especially in the face of all the counter-resistance.

I know we like to focus on practical gains in the movement, but at this point, this is a solid symbolic win that I think it worth focusing on in the short term.

I also don't think this is pulling away resources from anything particularly important at the moment. So there's always the argument of "why not?"

That is a fair answer.

If the situations were reversed, would you be supportive of Romney's name being placed into nomination and him giving a speech to show that there is dissent within the party?

Also, is there any indication that if Paul does get to give a speech that he would do so as a "subtle middle finger" to go out on? I don't keep up with every single communication from the campaign, but I have not seen anything that would suggest this.

 

[sailingaway]

Matt mentioned in his video winning not only the nomination but the presidency.
And he is not the only RP supporter that still believes winning the nomination is plausible.



The likelihood of some 500-600 delegates having a change of heart at the last possible minute is something of a fairy tale novel, and unfortunately the magic died for most people in this campaign a long time ago.

One or two may be focusing on that, 99.99% of people on this forum who say 'placed into nomination' as opposed to 'get the nomination' mean 'placed into nomination' on the floor so it shows strength and he gets a 15 minute speech. I don't know why you are so offended by the idea. Ron DOES have more than 5 states, and the only way this won't happen is if the credentials committee cheats egregiously, which SHOULD be shocking to people if it occurs, imho.

 

[sailingaway]

That is a fair answer.

If the situations were reversed, would you be supportive of Romney's name being placed into nomination and him giving a speech to show that there is dissent within the party?

Also, is there any indication that if Paul does get to give a speech that he would do so as a "subtle middle finger" to go out on? I don't keep up with every single communication from the campaign, but I have not seen anything that would suggest this.

I think it gives Ron an international platform, and serves as a fitting cap to his career so far. We don't work this hard to 'show dissent' we work to participate and call like minded people to us in the GOP and show there is a possibility for change, if not now, in the future, if people join us and work with us. Ron Paul is the pied piper at waking the apathetic and showing them there is reason, and duty, to get active. Saying the words means little. Having the record to show you lived the words means everything.

 

[MelissaCato]

The outcome might not be good, BUT THE OBJECTIVES REMAIN THE SAME. 10 Days to go, time to GET FCKING FOCUSED, KEEP YOUR NEGATIVITY TO YOURSELF, you can bitch and moan after TAMPA.

Ya this ^^

Ron Paul the 45th President of the United States !!

Ron Paul 2012 !! Darn it.

 

[sailingaway]

Ya this ^^

Ron Paul the 45th President of the United States !!

Ron Paul 2012 !! Darn it.

I don't sit down before the finish line. Think how idiotic an athlete at the Olympics would look, who did that.

 

[AmericasLastHope]

BTW, Ron only has about 400-500 delegates most of them are soft supporters meaning they cannot vote for Ron in the first round. If so, they pay a huge penalty of jail time.

This isn't true. In America each sovereign individual can still vote their conscience without going to jail. The RNC has even stated this. In 2008 there was a delegate from Utah who voted for Romney despite being "bound" to McCain. The delegate never had to serve any jail time.

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

I feel a Ron Paul speech at the convention would be a victory in that it shows dissent within the party. Whether or not it is covered, it will serve to support the fact that the establishment GOP is continually losing control over its base. It would be another landmark in the resistance. A subtle middle finger for Ron Paul to go out on. Especially in the face of all the counter-resistance.

I know we like to focus on practical gains in the movement, but at this point, this is a solid symbolic win that I think it worth focusing on in the short term.

I also don't think this is pulling away resources from anything particularly important at the moment. So there's always the argument of "why not?"

Brilliant post. +rep

 

[Chester Copperpot]

The GOP hacks are doing everything in their power to make sure Ron doesn't get the 5 states. That is the whole point of the fighting, cheating and changing of the rules by these scumbag establishments at the state level. Ron currently only has 3 states in the bag. Hence, not guaranteed to be nominated and then be given a speaking slot. It's the worst nightmare to the GOP allowing Ron to speak. These conventions are carefully staged for the sake of the party, not the people. I believe that is why the RNC gave the okay for the Paul Festival on the 26th. Is that going to be televised or online?

BTW, Ron only has about 400-500 delegates most of them are soft supporters meaning they cannot vote for Ron in the first round. If so, they pay a huge penalty of jail time.

You're not on any drugs son are you?

 

[freedomordeath]

Stop with calling it negativity. It's realism.
I applaud the efforts of all those who are trying to just get what is rightfully ours in Tampa, and it won't be all for naught, but we all have to be honest with ourselves. Romney has more than 1,144 delegates bound to vote for him on the first ballot. He wins no matter what happens.

Poeple in the Alamo faced that realism and honesty too and they had a chance to leave, but chose to stay and fight.

 

[The Free Hornet]

We used to have this thing with representative and proportionate democracy. Perhaps the RNC, as a quasi-private organization, took the metaphor too literally in setting up a selection process complete with elected delegates, nominations, convention speeches, and - oh I don't know - some kind of voting thing with choices. Because some can foresee the results, there is no need to have a vote? Nope, all the people who say Paul can't win are intent on having some kind of vote complete with delegate(s), nomination(s), convention speech(es), and then some kind of voting thing with choice(s).

Rather than ragging on people trying to get Ron Paul to win, how about ragging on people who want a dog-and-pony show that would put any USSR election to shame? Why couldn't TPTB/MSM/RNC simply cancel the convention? Why continue with the farce?

Don't blame the people exposing absurdity or trying to win fairly. If you know someone is going to cheat, sometimes it is incumbant upon us to witness and document so that it doesn't happen again.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

What we need, what I've been hoping for, is a huge scandal involving Mitt Romney. Doesn't matter if it's financial or sexual, we could REALLY use one. I hope if there's a little sweety on the side out there, she's ready to come forward and expose this phony for what he is...

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

What we need, what I've been hoping for, is a huge scandal involving Mitt Romney. Doesn't matter if it's financial or sexual, we could REALLY use one. I hope if there's a little sweety on the side out there, she's ready to come forward and expose this phony for what he is...

If some sort of scandal broke and Romney had to step down prior to Tampa, do you feel the delegates would rally around Paul, or would there be another candidate that would get the nomination? What would you base your opinion on?

 

[sailingaway]

What we need, what I've been hoping for, is a huge scandal involving Mitt Romney. Doesn't matter if it's financial or sexual, we could REALLY use one. I hope if there's a little sweety on the side out there, she's ready to come forward and expose this phony for what he is...

I doubt it would take that form. FInancial, I could more readily believe. I have come to believe there actually IS something in his tax records, because of the info he IS willing to give out, but not release the records. Just speculation, but if there is a scandal, I would expect it to take more of that form.

 

[CPUd]

That is a fair answer.

If the situations were reversed, would you be supportive of Romney's name being placed into nomination and him giving a speech to show that there is dissent within the party?

Also, is there any indication that if Paul does get to give a speech that he would do so as a "subtle middle finger" to go out on? I don't keep up with every single communication from the campaign, but I have not seen anything that would suggest this.

If you understood this movement, you would know that having multiple candidates on the ballot (and thus, each one giving a 15 minute speech) is exactly what is wanted.

You are also missing the point of why everyone is going through all the trouble to get RP on the ballot. Whether he 'wins the GOP nomination' is (at this point) not as important as putting the man up on stage, because then we know we've done all we can do to put him in that position, and what happens after that will be up to Ron Paul.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

If the situations were reversed, would you be supportive of Romney's name being placed into nomination and him giving a speech to show that there is dissent within the party?

I (and probably other Paul supporters) would honestly not like it if Romney got time to speak if the situation was reversed, but would not use that dislike to systematically cheat Mitt out of getting his name placed in nomination. That's the difference between the establishment and us.

 

[sailingaway]

I (and probably other Paul supporters) would honestly not like it if Romney got time to speak if the situation was reversed, but would not use that dislike to systematically cheat Mitt out of getting his name placed in nomination. That's the difference between the establishment and us.

bingo.

except I don't think we'd care. Think about it. Teleprompters vs Ron.

 

[trey4sports]

bingo.

except I don't think we'd care. Think about it. Teleprompters vs Ron.

not only that but Mitt wouldn't be giving a speech to try and change peoples beliefs. If he were to speak it would be a focus-group tested blob of American Exceptionalism, and honestly it wouldn't change one liberty-minded voter's vote.

On the other hand having Ron Paul speak at the RNC might just shake up a couple of the zombie-voters bad enough to vote Paul. A microcosm of what is going on within the current Republican party. A sure sign that the GOP is NOT UNITED and that we will not simply fall in line and eat a shit sandwich in November.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Here is a place for you to "move on" to:

http://www.MoveOn.org

I'll accept your apology in a few short days, unless you're still crying into your beer.