Joe Rogan : "You gotta get scared that people who are not criminals are being set to El Salvador prisons."

[jmdrake]

Deporting an MS-13 gang member is not grounds for impeachment. That is insane.

Wrong. YOU ARE FUCKING INSANE FOR PRETENDING THIS MAN IS AN MS-13 GANG MEMBER EVEN AFTER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ADMITTED HE IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[Swordsmyth]

The guy was prosecuted for being here illegally, and the court proved he was an MS-13 gang member.

I don't know if any of you have joined a gang, I haven't. But I do know that TO join a gang, you are required, by the gang, to commit violent crimes.

He was then ordered to be deported in 2019, but not to El Salvador, where he was from, because he was afraid that other gangs would murder him. The court agreed.

Well, now all those gang members are in prison in El Salvador. So the old court order has no relevance. However, due to the Supreme Court ruling, they are supposed to try and fix it. The likely result of fixing it, would be to send him to El Salvador.

Problem is.. he is a citizen of El Salvador, he's now in El Salvador, we can't just force them to give him back. It makes no sense.

Worst case scenario, this is collateral damage caused by the 20 million illegal immigrants brought in under Biden.

I do hope that the illegals being deported are treated reasonably.. so far, 99.9% seem to be treated reasonably. Any collateral damage I blame on Biden and the Democrats who voted for him. How are you supposed to deport tens of millions of people and not have any collateral damage?

Due process for illegal immigrants is you get deported. You don't get a court hearing unless you are claiming you are a US citizen, you just left your driver's license at home or something.. that's not what this guy was claiming.

Kind of hard to be afraid of rival gangs if you aren't in a gang.

And since he was an illegal invader I don't really care, he's lucky we didn't summarily execute him.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Utter and total bullshyt. But I can always count on you Dannno to make up bullshyt in defense of Donald J. Trump. What is said is that even after the Trump administration made a mistake, and even after SCOTUS voted 9-0 against your bullshyt, you're still going to straight up lie about what happened, just like the disgraced former cop in this matter, and thing you'll actually full someone other than yourself. I post sources for my claims. You don't even have a Q-Anon source this time. You and other Trumpkins are engaged in mass formation psychosis where you are making up lies to fit your narrative because the truth is too painful for you to face. I really feel sorry for the entire lot of you.

The only mistake they made was violating the idiotic order not to return him to ES specifically.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Wrong. YOU ARE FUCKING INSANE FOR PRETENDING THIS MAN IS AN MS-13 GANG MEMBER EVEN AFTER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ADMITTED HE IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

They did not admit any such thing.

 

[acptulsa]

Kind of hard to be afraid of rival gangs if you aren't in a gang.

And that's how mass psychosis works. One idiot makes a completely unfounded statement and the rest consider it convenient to their state of delusion. So they seize on it, "confirm" it to each other, and accept it as dogma. And that's how lies become "gospel" to them.

I feel sorry for them too. Especially since these two seem desperate to get us to confirm their bullshit, a thing they'll never get.

 

[dannno]

Wrong. YOU ARE FUCKING INSANE FOR PRETENDING THIS MAN IS AN MS-13 GANG MEMBER EVEN AFTER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ADMITTED HE IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Lol.. dude, you are 100% wrong. Do some basic research. The court found he was an MS-13 gang member in 2019. The court said he couldn't be returned to El Salvador because he was in fear of being murdered by rival gangs.. I believe SS posted all the court records back on the first page. That was the whole point of the original court order.. Like SS said, if he wasn't a gang member why would he be afraid of being murdered by a RIVAL gang?

The mistake the Trump admin admitted to was returning him to El Salvador when the 2019 court order that still stood prevented that.. but like I said, the court order was irrelevant because all those gang members are in prison.

I haven't made one single inaccurate statement in this entire thread, you have made at least a half dozen. You always post bullshit leftwing fake news and never fact check it, and you never admit you are wrong.. because for some strange reason you still worship garbage corporate news.

 

[TheTexan]

The court found he was an MS-13 gang member in 2019.

But he's not a gang member anymore!! These days, he volunteers down at the local soup kitchen and helps senior citizens cross the street

 

[Invisible Man]

We can deport them before they commit a crime. They are alien enemies.

Once again, the charge of being an alien enemy needs an objective legal definition, and in order to act on it for any given person, it needs to be proven. You keep dancing around that and changing your position.

 

[Invisible Man]

The court found he was an MS-13 gang member in 2019.

Is membership in a gang even a thing that courts find?

 

[Invisible Man]

I guess it is used to segregate like w/ like as to cut down on vollent attacks in prisons. Actual conviction of some sort of crime would be reason for being in prison not tatoos. As for deportations , Ive no idea if border patrol logs info like it

Logging info about what tattoos someone has is one thing. Using a tattoo as a basis for punishing someone without any evidence of any specific crime is another.

 

[Anti Federalist]

No sane country is going to take a bunch of alien enemies into their country for free.

If we started dumping alien enemies into another country- that would be considered an act of war.

Exactly right, and war has been declared on us by invading us in the first place.

Let them declare war.

 

[Anti Federalist]

At this point I think Trump is in on the Marxist revolution that you're so worried about. Trotsky versus Lenin.

Right.

Which is why there must be a separation, a breaking away.

This is unfixable.

 

[acptulsa]

Right.

Which is why there must be a separation, a breaking away.

This is unfixable.

*Falls for a charismatic "former" Democrat heavily connected in New York City politics.*

I'm not a collapsitarian any more. I make fun of them now.

*To no one else's surprise, he turns out to be the 21st century's Trotsky.*

Burn it all down and start over.

Dude. Make up your mind.

 

[acptulsa]

Exactly right, and war has been declared on us by invading us in the first place.

The CIA engineered it, and financed it through USAID.

Let them declare war.

The official declaration of war was on November 22, 1963.

Where you been?

 

[TheTexan]

Once again, the charge of being an alien enemy needs an objective legal definition, and in order to act on it for any given person, it needs to be proven. You keep dancing around that and changing your position.

Objective legal definition:

Anyone who's not a citizen

 

[Anti Federalist]

The CIA engineered it, and financed it through USAID. The official declaration of war was on November 22, 1963.

Where you been?

Agreed.

What next?

 

[Invisible Man]

Objective legal definition:

Anyone who's not a citizen

I get it. At the end of the day, that's where everyone who supports this is coming from. They support deporting all noncitizens, and any pretext for that is good, as long as that's the result.

I would say, stop pretending to have other reasons that you can't defend on their own, knowing that when you get pushback for doing that you'll just resort back to your real position where things like gang membership or being alien enemies aren't actually relevant.

 

[acptulsa]

What next?

We fawn all over Trump and tell each other 24/7 he's actually going to do something, because getting someone who really would do something into office is too hard.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Biden imported 15M+ illegals in 4 years.Democrats believe each alien should get a lengthy federal trial before being sent back. After we scour the country to find them.Because they are all evading arrest.A typical trial would take months to complete.Not counting appeals.This would mean even if we shut down our entire federal court system to do nothing else the process that the Democrats demand would take multiple centuries to complete.Which Democrats understand. Because they don’t want any aliens removed. They want them all registered—to vote.The judicial process is for Americans.Immediate deportation is for illegal aliens.If you break into someone’s house you don’t get to spend months or years debating your presence.Trespassers must go. And they must go now.

 

[TheTexan]

We fawn all over Trump and tell each other 24/7 he's actually going to do something, because getting someone who really would do something into office is too hard.

Accurate.

I'm not sure how much more of "but this time is different" I can take.

Trump is doing some minor things here and there... but not even remotely near enough for what actually needs to be done.