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https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-vance-springfield-cat-alive-police-report-2024-9

JD Vance's staff claimed they had evidence of a Haitian taking a cat in Springfield. But it turns out 'Miss Sassy' is just fine​

By Brent D. Griffiths

Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance has defended his role in pushing bizarre claims that people in a small Ohio town are eating pets. Allison Joyce/Getty Images

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• Sen. JD Vance's staff reportedly sent evidence of a possible cat-napping to the Wall Street Journal.
• Vance has defended his role in pushing rumors that Haitian migrants are eating people's pets in a small town.
• The publication found the cat in question was perfectly fine.

Sen. JD Vance's staff forwarded evidence that might have added legitimacy to the wild and racist rumors that Haitian migrants were eating people's pets in the small town of Springfield, Ohio.


According to The Wall Street Journal, a spokesperson for the Republican vice presidential nominee pointed to a police report that a local resident filed alleging their Haitian neighbors might have stolen her cat. But when a reporter checked out the situation, they found an apologetic woman with a cat, Miss Sassy, that was safe and sound.

Anna Kilgore, the resident in question, who was wearing pro-Trump gear, told the Journal reporter that her missing cat had turned up a few days after she filed the police report. Kilgore said she later apologized to the neighbors she had accused, with the help of a translation app.


The episode underlines how online rumors and memes have upended life in the small town, a situation that further escalated after former President Donald Trump said during the presidential debate, "They're eating, the pets of the people that live there."

Vance, who represents Ohio in the US Senate, has strongly defended his role in pushing the debunked theories. He told CNN on Sunday that he had been able to "create" attention on the influx of Haitians to Springfield in recent years by pushing memes about people eating pets.

"The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes," Vance told CNN's Dana Bash. "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."


When Bash followed up, Vance said that claims originated with his from his own constituents. A spokesperson for the senator echoed that response in a statement to Business Insider.

"Senator Vance has received countless messages from residents of Springfield on the disastrous effects Kamala Harris's immigration policies have created for their hometown: a shortage of affordable housing, stressed public resources, declining public safety, and spikes in communicable disease," a Vance spokesperson said in a statement. "It's shameful that the media is ignoring these real concerns while purposely twisting Senator Vance's words."

Springfield city manager Bryan Heck told the Journal that on September 9 an unnamed member of Vance's staff reached out to discuss the legitimacy of the pet eating stories.


"He asked point-blank, 'Are the rumors true of pets being taken and eaten?'" Heck told the publication. "I told him no. There was no verifiable evidence or reports to show this was true. I told them these claims were baseless."

Vance had already tweeted about the subject. Later, Trump would post memes of armed cats on Truth Social before the entire bizarre situation came to a head when over 67 million Americans heard Trump discuss it during the debate.

Democracy is what we have and that's what people voted for.

We didn't vote for 9 supreme court justices.

You can't just keep tossing out the president we elect.

It's just not rational since we will just keep electing more presidents to deport people.

We have Continuity of government.

 

[jmdrake]

Democracy is what we have and that's what people voted for.

We didn't vote for 9 supreme court justices.

You can't just keep tossing out the president we elect.

It's just not rational since we will just keep electing more presidents to deport people.

So.....you know that America is NOT a Democracy right?

 

[nikcers]

So.....you know that America is NOT a Democracy right?

You know we are a type of democracy. The president gets elected by our states democratically.

 

[acptulsa]

Democracy is what we have and that's what people voted for.

Democracy is not what we have and the only people who are stupid enough to vote for mob rule are partisans.

And not just Democrat partisans, either.

 

[nikcers]

Democracy is not what we have and the only people who are stupid enough to vote for mob rule are partisans.

And not just Democrat partisans, either.

Who are the rulers then?

Who has the power?

Of the people by the people for the people?

Democracy means 'rule by the people'. The word comes from the ancient Greek words 'demos' (common people) and 'kratos' (rule)

 

[jmdrake]

You know we are a type of democracy. The president gets elected by our states democratically.

But he doesn't get to do whatever he wants because he's limited by the Constitution which is interpreted by SCOTUS and he can be impeached by Congress. I know that won't happen unless the Democrats get a majority in the House and enough sane republicans are willing to go for impeachment this time in the Senate.

 

[nikcers]

But he doesn't get to do whatever he wants because he's limited by the Constitution which is interpreted by SCOTUS and he can be impeached by Congress. I know that won't happen unless the Democrats get a majority in the House and enough sane republicans are willing to go for impeachment this time in the Senate.

The president does what we want. If he doesn't we hire someone else for the job...It's his duty.

We have Continuity of government if they don't do it the next one will.

 

[acptulsa]

Who are the rulers then?

Who has the power?

Nobody who has sense and balls enough to exercise it, bot. That's why it has all gone straight to hell -- because bots like you have been all, well, we have to go broke because excuses and start wars because excuses and hock our grandchildren's heritage because the latest fighters are so much cooler than the old ones.

The people who have the power Will Rogers called good natured chuckleheads, for their willingness to endure any amount of abuse. He was talking about the people you were designed to emulate, bot. You are a model of foolishness and mediocrity. That make you a proud bot?

 

[oyarde]

I've heard that too. Surely no one here considers having a particular tattoo an acceptable basis for imprisoning or deporting someone.

I guess it is used to segregate like w/ like as to cut down on vollent attacks in prisons. Actual conviction of some sort of crime would be reason for being in prison not tatoos. As for deportations , Ive no idea if border patrol logs info like it

 

[nikcers]

Nobody who has sense and balls enough to exercise it, bot. That's why it has all gone straight to hell -- because bots like you have been all, well, we have to go broke because excuses and start wars because excuses and hock our grandchildren's heritage because the latest fighters are so much cooler than the old ones.

The people who have the power Will Rogers called good natured chuckleheads, for their willingness to endure any amount of abuse. He was talking about the people you were designed to emulate, bot. You are a model of foolishness and mediocrity. That make you a proud bot?

The USA is the most powerful nation on earth partly because of its type of government.

If a president doesn't do what we want we fire them.

We don't have to be stuck in any policy position a ruler makes.

It's decentralized power of the people by the people for the people.

We created the constitution and we can change it.

The Supreme Court famously legalized slavery.

Just because they rule something that doesn't make it right.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Lets be real they probably are eating the cats and eating the dogs

Lots of evidence.

 

[jmdrake]

The USA is the most powerful nation on earth partly because of its type of government.

If a president doesn't do what we want we fire them.

We don't have to be stuck in any policy position a ruler makes.

It's decentralized power of the people by the people for the people.

We created the constitution and we can change it.

The Supreme Court famously legalized slavery.

Just because they rule something that doesn't make it right.

We have more options than just "firing" the president. The House can impeach him and the Senate can remove him. And now, more than ever, there is grounds for just that. We don't have to wait for the next election to "fire" the president.

 

[Swordsmyth]

We have more options than just "firing" the president. The House can impeach him and the Senate can remove him. And now, more than ever, there is grounds for just that. We don't have to wait for the next election to "fire" the president.

Absolute commie garbage.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Sorry but no. This has nothing to do with "separation" that you fantasize about. It is simply a matter of following the freaking Constitution of the United States. It's not that hard. THE U.S. SUPREME COURT JUST VOTED 9-0 AGAINST DONALD TRUMP ON THIS! THE TRUMP ADMITTED THEY MADE A MISTAKE DEPORTING THIS DUDE! BUT NOW THEY'RE CLAIMING SOMEHOW THEY CAN'T MAKE EL SALVADOR SEND HIM BACK EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN ADMITTED THEY ARE PAYING EL SALVADOR TO KEEP PRISONERS THEY SEND THERE!

Sorry / not sorry for the "all caps" but the arguments I've seen defending this are so stupid they hurt. But hell, you want "separation" well maybe you and Trump can find an iceberg off the coast of Greenland. Once upon a time this forum actually stood for something. Now, the Constitution is just a "GD piece of paper." Trump is just wrong. That's all there is to it. The same Supreme Court that said Trump can't deport people TO FVCKING PRISON without giving them due process also voted 6-3 that, in general, Trump can keep deporting gang member PROVIDED THEY GET DUE PROCESS! This isn't some "bleeding heart liberal requirement."

I'm not particularly defending it.

You're right, you shouldn't send people to prison without due process.

So don't.

Land, at the nearest airport, kick them all off and leave.

This whole thing is ridiculous anyway.

Once the Marxist revolution is complete, the very concept of "due process" will be as dead as Julius Caesar.

 

[nikcers]

We have more options than just "firing" the president. The House can impeach him and the Senate can remove him. And now, more than ever, there is grounds for just that. We don't have to wait for the next election to "fire" the president.

Like the last time they won't get 2/3rds the senate votes. So they can't remove him. There will always be atleast 34 senators that won't do it.

 

[nikcers]

I'm not particularly defending it.

You're right, you shouldn't send people to prison without due process.

So don't.

Land, at the nearest airport, kick them all off and leave.

This whole thing is ridiculous anyway.

Once the Marxist revolution is complete, the very concept of "due process" will be as dead as Julius Caesar.

No sane country is going to take a bunch of alien enemies into their country for free.

If we started dumping alien enemies into another country- that would be considered an act of war.

 

[dannno]

The guy was prosecuted for being here illegally, and the court proved he was an MS-13 gang member.

I don't know if any of you have joined a gang, I haven't. But I do know that TO join a gang, you are required, by the gang, to commit violent crimes.

He was then ordered to be deported in 2019, but not to El Salvador, where he was from, because he was afraid that other gangs would murder him. The court agreed.

Well, now all those gang members are in prison in El Salvador. So the old court order has no relevance. However, due to the Supreme Court ruling, they are supposed to try and fix it. The likely result of fixing it, would be to send him to El Salvador.

Problem is.. he is a citizen of El Salvador, he's now in El Salvador, we can't just force them to give him back. It makes no sense.

Worst case scenario, this is collateral damage caused by the 20 million illegal immigrants brought in under Biden.

I do hope that the illegals being deported are treated reasonably.. so far, 99.9% seem to be treated reasonably. Any collateral damage I blame on Biden and the Democrats who voted for him. How are you supposed to deport tens of millions of people and not have any collateral damage?

Due process for illegal immigrants is you get deported. You don't get a court hearing unless you are claiming you are a US citizen, you just left your driver's license at home or something.. that's not what this guy was claiming.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm not particularly defending it.

You're right, you shouldn't send people to prison without due process.

So don't.

Land, at the nearest airport, kick them all off and leave.

This whole thing is ridiculous anyway.

Once the Marxist revolution is complete, the very concept of "due process" will be as dead as Julius Caesar.

At this point I think Trump is in on the Marxist revolution that you're so worried about. Trotsky versus Lenin.

 

[dannno]

We have more options than just "firing" the president. The House can impeach him and the Senate can remove him. And now, more than ever, there is grounds for just that. We don't have to wait for the next election to "fire" the president.

Deporting an MS-13 gang member is not grounds for impeachment. That is insane.

 

[jmdrake]

The guy was prosecuted for being here illegally, and the court proved he was an MS-13 gang member.

I don't know if any of you have joined a gang, I haven't. But I do know that TO join a gang, you are required, by the gang, to commit violent crimes.

He was then ordered to be deported in 2019, but not to El Salvador, where he was from, because he was afraid that other gangs would murder him. The court agreed.

Well, now all those gang members are in prison in El Salvador. So the old court order has no relevance. However, due to the Supreme Court ruling, they are supposed to try and fix it. The likely result of fixing it, would be to send him to El Salvador.

Problem is.. he is a citizen of El Salvador, he's now in El Salvador, we can't just force them to give him back. It makes no sense.

Worst case scenario, this is collateral damage caused by the 20 million illegal immigrants brought in under Biden.

I do hope that the illegals being deported are treated reasonably.. so far, 99.9% seem to be treated reasonably. Any collateral damage I blame on Biden and the Democrats who voted for him. How are you supposed to deport tens of millions of people and not have any collateral damage?

Due process for illegal immigrants is you get deported. You don't get a court hearing unless you are claiming you are a US citizen, you just left your driver's license at home or something.. that's not what this guy was claiming.

Utter and total bullshyt. But I can always count on you Dannno to make up bullshyt in defense of Donald J. Trump. What is said is that even after the Trump administration made a mistake, and even after SCOTUS voted 9-0 against your bullshyt, you're still going to straight up lie about what happened, just like the disgraced former cop in this matter, and thing you'll actually full someone other than yourself. I post sources for my claims. You don't even have a Q-Anon source this time. You and other Trumpkins are engaged in mass formation psychosis where you are making up lies to fit your narrative because the truth is too painful for you to face. I really feel sorry for the entire lot of you.