Joe Rogan : "You gotta get scared that people who are not criminals are being set to El Salvador prisons."

This is why there must be a separation.

This problem, like the debt, is an unsolvable nightmare.

Which is, of course, why the Marxists have used it so effectively.
Sorry but no. This has nothing to do with "separation" that you fantasize about. It is simply a matter of following the freaking Constitution of the United States. It's not that hard. THE U.S. SUPREME COURT JUST VOTED 9-0 AGAINST DONALD TRUMP ON THIS! THE TRUMP ADMITTED THEY MADE A MISTAKE DEPORTING THIS DUDE! BUT NOW THEY'RE CLAIMING SOMEHOW THEY CAN'T MAKE EL SALVADOR SEND HIM BACK EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN ADMITTED THEY ARE PAYING EL SALVADOR TO KEEP PRISONERS THEY SEND THERE!

Sorry / not sorry for the "all caps" but the arguments I've seen defending this are so stupid they hurt. But hell, you want "separation" well maybe you and Trump can find an iceberg off the coast of Greenland. Once upon a time this forum actually stood for something. Now, the Constitution is just a "GD piece of paper." Trump is just wrong. That's all there is to it. The same Supreme Court that said Trump can't deport people TO FVCKING PRISON without giving them due process also voted 6-3 that, in general, Trump can keep deporting gang member PROVIDED THEY GET DUE PROCESS! This isn't some "bleeding heart liberal requirement."
 
The liberty of invaders has no value to me so there's nothing to trade.
:rolleyes: This particular immigrant came in legally at a point of entry. And now Trump wants to offer asylum to white South Africans. I guess in 2029 President Cory Booker can deport them to a prison in Burkino Fasso.
 
Name the violent crime. And no, being a suspected gang member is not a violent crime.
And in this case the gay barber isn't even suspected of being a gang member. The Trump administration admitted it made a mistake.
 
:rolleyes: This particular immigrant came in legally at a point of entry.

Through the "open" border, or the closed off one that we have? And yet they still want eVerify ID nationwide.


And now Trump wants to offer asylum to white South Africans. I guess in 2029 President Cory Booker can deport them to a prison in Burkino Fasso.

Isn't that where Elon Musk is from? You know, that Billionaire Technocrat that wasn't even elected to office?
 
Sorry but no. This has nothing to do with "separation" that you fantasize about. It is simply a matter of following the freaking Constitution of the United States. It's not that hard. THE U.S. SUPREME COURT JUST VOTED 9-0 AGAINST DONALD TRUMP ON THIS! THE TRUMP ADMITTED THEY MADE A MISTAKE DEPORTING THIS DUDE! BUT NOW THEY'RE CLAIMING SOMEHOW THEY CAN'T MAKE EL SALVADOR SEND HIM BACK EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN ADMITTED THEY ARE PAYING EL SALVADOR TO KEEP PRISONERS THEY SEND THERE!

Sorry / not sorry for the "all caps" but the arguments I've seen defending this are so stupid they hurt. But hell, you want "separation" well maybe you and Trump can find an iceberg off the coast of Greenland. Once upon a time this forum actually stood for something. Now, the Constitution is just a "GD piece of paper." Trump is just wrong. That's all there is to it. The same Supreme Court that said Trump can't deport people TO FVCKING PRISON without giving them due process also voted 6-3 that, in general, Trump can keep deporting gang member PROVIDED THEY GET DUE PROCESS! This isn't some "bleeding heart liberal requirement."

The presidential powers are lawful constitutional powers.

Their ruling doesn't mean much.

Theoretically Trump could pardon anyone in his administration they go after.

Different branches of government normally aren't in lockstep. It wouldn't be the first time.

They are co-equal branches of government.
 
The story keeps getting worse. It turns out it was a dishonest and disgraced former cop who's working for Trump as a private prison contractor who lied about the barber being a gang member.

'Disgraced liar' cop blamed for sending 'innocent' gay Venezuelan makeup artist to hellhole El Salvador prison​

By JAMES CIRRONE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

Published: 16:44 EDT, 11 April 2025 | Updated: 00:16 EDT, 12 April 2025

A former Milwaukee police officer with history of alleged drunk driving and lying signed the deportation warrant that sent a gay Venezuelan makeup artist to a hellish El Salvador prison.

Now employed as a private prison contractor, Charles Cross Jr. said Andry Jose Hernandez Romero, who sought asylum in the United States last year, was a member of the vicious Tren de Aragua gang, according to a bombshell new report by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Cross, despite being given the power to have the final word on Romero's fate, was once put on a list of cops allegedly known to lie and break the law by Milwaukee prosecutors.

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His presence on what is known as the Brady List essentially was a reminder that he shouldn't be allowed to testify for the state during trials due to his credibility issues.

Cross, 62, was then fired as a Milwaukee Police Sergeant in 2012 after he allegedly drove his car into a family's home while intoxicated. He appealed the decision but was still forced to resign, the Sentinel reported.

Even still, Cross was also being investigated at the time for getting overtime pay for hours he allegedly hadn't worked.

Despite his tainted record, he was able to get a job four months after his drunk driving citation at CoreCivic, a company that manages private prisons and also operates many of the immigration detention centers for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

According to court records, Cross was the one who signed his name over the title 'INVESTIGATOR' on the form that implicated Romero, who has denied any connection to the gang that got its start in a Venezuelan prison.

Charles Cross Jr., a former Milwaukee police officer and currently an employee with CoreCivic, a private prisons company

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Andry Jose Hernandez Romero, the gay Venezuelan makeup artist who was sent to El Salvador's notorious CECOT prison on March 13 after seeking asylum in the United States

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Charles Cross Jr., a former Milwaukee police officer who now works at CoreCivic, signed off on the form that concluded Andry Jose Hernandez Romero (right) was a member of the the vicious Tren de Aragua gang
Romero, a makeup artist and hairstylist who fled Venezuela and sought asylum in the United States, was deported last month to El Salvador's notorious CECOT prison

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Romero, a makeup artist and hairstylist who fled Venezuela and sought asylum in the United States, was deported last month to El Salvador's notorious CECOT prison
The Center for Terrorism Confinement, as its called, is known for its brutal conditions. It keeps 80 prisoners in one cramped cell for 23-and-a-half hours a day, for example

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The Center for Terrorism Confinement, as its called, is known for its brutal conditions. It keeps 80 prisoners in one cramped cell for 23-and-a-half hours a day, for example
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Cross is just one of the private prison contractors assisting in President Donald Trump's mass deportation effort.

Trump's goal is to root out undercover operatives of Tren de Aragua and MS-13, the Salvadoran gang behind an array of murders and sex trafficking crimes.

John Sandweg, former ICE acting director under the Obama administration, told the Sentinel it raises 'serious concerns' that private contractors are being trusted to identify members of these gangs rather than federal agents.

For Romero, this has meant getting sent on a plane to El Salvador's notorious CECOT prison on March 13 along with 237 other migrants.

The Center for Terrorism Confinement, as its called, keeps 80 prisoners in one cramped cell for 23-and-a-half hours a day, CNN reported.

The makeup artist and hairdresser was reportedly trying to claim asylum to avoid crackdowns in Venezuela by Nicolas Maduro, the country's leader, who is widely accused of stealing the July 2024 election to illegally continue his reign.

Concerned that he would persecuted as a gay man, Romero left his family behind in May and initially tried to cross into the US illegally. He was returned to Mexico by US Border Patrol agents.

On August 29, he made it to the San Ysidro Port of Entry in San Diego after making an appointment on CBP One, an app pioneered under the Biden administration to streamline asylum claims that Trump later shut down.

The make up artist's tattoos were derived from his upbringing in his home town of Capacho, famed for its 'Three Kings Day' - but border agents suspected they were gang symbols

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The make up artist's tattoos were derived from his upbringing in his home town of Capacho, famed for its 'Three Kings Day' - but border agents suspected they were gang symbols
Pictured: A prison officer checks on inmates locked away in El Salvador's CECOT

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Pictured: A prison officer checks on inmates locked away in El Salvador's CECOT
After initially passing preliminary asylum screening, border patrol agents began to fixate on his tattoos, including a crown on either wrist, next to the words 'Dad' and 'Mom.'

They claimed Hernandez's crown tattoos were 'consistent' with those adopted by members of Tren de Aragua, which they used as a pretense to detain him for months.

Once he was locked away at the Otay Mesa Detention Center in San Diego, another CoreCivic employee, Arturo Torres, questioned him about his tattoos.

A point-based rubric sheet dated December 10, 2024, showed that Romero was evaluated as a possible member of a gang, though the only category he got points on was 'STG Tattoos/Brands/Identifying Marks.'

Torres did not indicate that Romero had any contraband or that he any contact with known gang members. They didn't have evidence he was photographed with gang members or had had correspondence with them.

'Upon conducting a review of detainee Hernandez's tattoos it was found that detainee Hernandez has a crown on each one of his wrist,' the form states. 'The crown has been found to be an identifier for a Tren de Aragua gang member.'

Torres signed his name in the 'completed by' section, and Cross signed his name in the 'confirmed by' section.

Ryan Gustin, a CoreCivic spokesman, declined to comment specifically on Cross’s case but offered a statement that all employees 'clear a rigorous, federal background clearance process' and must be approved by ICE before working at an ICE-contracted facility.

DailyMail.com approached CoreCivic for additional comment on what level of experience Cross may have had in identifying members of gangs.

Romero's lawyer, Paulina Reyes, described her client's tattoos in court filings as derived from his upbringing in his hometown of Capacho, famed for its 'Three Kings Day' celebration.

Andry Jose Hernandez Romero participating in Capacho's Three Kings celebration

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Andry Jose Hernandez Romero participating in Capacho's Three Kings celebration
This comes as the Supreme Court ordered a lower court to 'facilitate' the return of Maryland man Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who a prosecutor said was deported due to an error despite a judge's order

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This comes as the Supreme Court ordered a lower court to 'facilitate' the return of Maryland man Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who a prosecutor said was deported due to an error despite a judge's order
Romero worked at a state-run television station but said he was constantly discriminated against for his sexuality and political views, according to an affidavit.

He quit the TV job and fled to the US, where he thought he'd be safer. Now, his parents haven't heard from him since he was taken to the CECOT prison in El Salvador last month.

The development in Romero's case comes as the Trump administration was ordered by the Supreme Court to bring back another man who was sent to the same prison, Kilmar Abrego Garcia of Maryland.

The unsigned decision issued Thursday instructed the government to 'facilitate' the 29-year-old father's return.

Abrego Garcia was said to have been in MS-13, an allegation his lawyers say is based on accusation from a from a confidential informant. The informant said he was a member of the gang in New York, despite Abrego Garcia having never lived there.

Federal judge Paula Xinis, the one who first ordered the Trump administration to return Abrego Garcia back, described the accusations as vague' and 'uncorroborated.'

Lawyers for the Department of Justice admitted in court filings that he was deported due to an 'administrative error' but have argued that there is nothing officials can do to get him back as he is on foreign soil.

As of now, the White House has not complied with an order from Xinis that said it needed to provide her a plan of how Abrego Garcia will be retrieved by Friday morning.
 
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The presidential powers are lawful constitutional powers.

Their ruling doesn't mean much.

Theoretically Trump could pardon anyone in his administration they go after.

Different branches of government normally aren't in lockstep. It wouldn't be the first time.

They are co-equal branches of government.
:rolleyes: Hopefully Trump will be impeached and removed in 2027. But I will note that next time there's a Democrat in the Whitehouse you've waived your right to call anything he does unconstitutional.
 
:rolleyes: Hopefully Trump will be impeached and removed in 2027. But I will note that next time there's a Democrat in the Whitehouse you've waived your right to call anything he does unconstitutional.
JD Vance would just deport people then.

That's how democracy works.

We elected Trump to deport people.
 
:rolleyes: Hopefully Trump will be impeached and removed in 2027. But I will note that next time there's a Democrat in the Whitehouse you've waived your right to call anything he does unconstitutional.

@nikcers , like most other 'merikans, only see Left, Right, march in lockstep. Why do you think this country went to shit?
 
@nikcers , like most other 'merikans, only see Left, Right, march in lockstep. Why do you think this country went to shit?
I have no clue what political party my neighbors are but I love them. I want them to be safe and prosperous.
 
Sorry but no. This has nothing to do with "separation" that you fantasize about. It is simply a matter of following the freaking Constitution of the United States. It's not that hard. THE U.S. SUPREME COURT JUST VOTED 9-0 AGAINST DONALD TRUMP ON THIS! THE TRUMP ADMITTED THEY MADE A MISTAKE DEPORTING THIS DUDE! BUT NOW THEY'RE CLAIMING SOMEHOW THEY CAN'T MAKE EL SALVADOR SEND HIM BACK EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN ADMITTED THEY ARE PAYING EL SALVADOR TO KEEP PRISONERS THEY SEND THERE!

Sorry / not sorry for the "all caps" but the arguments I've seen defending this are so stupid they hurt. But hell, you want "separation" well maybe you and Trump can find an iceberg off the coast of Greenland. Once upon a time this forum actually stood for something. Now, the Constitution is just a "GD piece of paper." Trump is just wrong. That's all there is to it. The same Supreme Court that said Trump can't deport people TO FVCKING PRISON without giving them due process also voted 6-3 that, in general, Trump can keep deporting gang member PROVIDED THEY GET DUE PROCESS! This isn't some "bleeding heart liberal requirement."
Some stupid judge ruled he couldn't be sent to El Salvador based on liberal garbage, but he could still be deported, he was accidentally sent to El Salvador.
SCOTUS only ruled (wrongly) to uphold the judge saying no to El Salvador specifically, they ruled that Trump should make it possible to return him before sending him somewhere else, they specified that Trump only had to make it possible, he didn't have to make it happen.

They don't get due process, they are invaders.
 
JD Vance would just deport people then.

That's how democracy works.

We elected Trump to deport people.
You seem stuck on stupid. This issue isn't that this man got deported. It's that he got sent to PRISON for no damn reason. That's the problem. Meanwhile Trump's trying to bring in more asylum seekers. As long as your white a racist the door is open for you.
 
:rolleyes: This particular immigrant came in legally at a point of entry. And now Trump wants to offer asylum to white South Africans. I guess in 2029 President Cory Booker can deport them to a prison in Burkino Fasso.
False, he was an illegal invader.
And Biden broke the law to hand out "asylum" to those who didn't qualify for it.
 
You seem stuck on stupid. This issue isn't that this man got deported. It's that he got sent to PRISON for no damn reason. That's the problem. Meanwhile Trump's trying to bring in more asylum seekers. As long as your white a racist the door is open for you.
 

https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-vance-springfield-cat-alive-police-report-2024-9

JD Vance's staff claimed they had evidence of a Haitian taking a cat in Springfield. But it turns out 'Miss Sassy' is just fine​

By Brent D. Griffiths
JD Vance speaks to reporters while campaigning in North Carolina

Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance has defended his role in pushing bizarre claims that people in a small Ohio town are eating pets. Allison Joyce/Getty Images

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  • Sen. JD Vance's staff reportedly sent evidence of a possible cat-napping to the Wall Street Journal.
  • Vance has defended his role in pushing rumors that Haitian migrants are eating people's pets in a small town.
  • The publication found the cat in question was perfectly fine.
Sen. JD Vance's staff forwarded evidence that might have added legitimacy to the wild and racist rumors that Haitian migrants were eating people's pets in the small town of Springfield, Ohio.


According to The Wall Street Journal, a spokesperson for the Republican vice presidential nominee pointed to a police report that a local resident filed alleging their Haitian neighbors might have stolen her cat. But when a reporter checked out the situation, they found an apologetic woman with a cat, Miss Sassy, that was safe and sound.

Anna Kilgore, the resident in question, who was wearing pro-Trump gear, told the Journal reporter that her missing cat had turned up a few days after she filed the police report. Kilgore said she later apologized to the neighbors she had accused, with the help of a translation app.


The episode underlines how online rumors and memes have upended life in the small town, a situation that further escalated after former President Donald Trump said during the presidential debate, "They're eating, the pets of the people that live there."

Vance, who represents Ohio in the US Senate, has strongly defended his role in pushing the debunked theories. He told CNN on Sunday that he had been able to "create" attention on the influx of Haitians to Springfield in recent years by pushing memes about people eating pets.

"The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes," Vance told CNN's Dana Bash. "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."


When Bash followed up, Vance said that claims originated with his from his own constituents. A spokesperson for the senator echoed that response in a statement to Business Insider.

"Senator Vance has received countless messages from residents of Springfield on the disastrous effects Kamala Harris's immigration policies have created for their hometown: a shortage of affordable housing, stressed public resources, declining public safety, and spikes in communicable disease," a Vance spokesperson said in a statement. "It's shameful that the media is ignoring these real concerns while purposely twisting Senator Vance's words."

Springfield city manager Bryan Heck told the Journal that on September 9 an unnamed member of Vance's staff reached out to discuss the legitimacy of the pet eating stories.


"He asked point-blank, 'Are the rumors true of pets being taken and eaten?'" Heck told the publication. "I told him no. There was no verifiable evidence or reports to show this was true. I told them these claims were baseless."

Vance had already tweeted about the subject. Later, Trump would post memes of armed cats on Truth Social before the entire bizarre situation came to a head when over 67 million Americans heard Trump discuss it during the debate.
 
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