Joe Rogan : "You gotta get scared that people who are not criminals are being set to El Salvador prisons."

[nikcers]

You're not talking about the Nazis, confused bot. You're thinking of your favorite ruthless strong man sociopathic communist, Josef Stalin.

60 millions died in the European theater of WW2. Of course there's other examples. Imperial Japan's government killed 60 million. China's Mao starved 60 million.

The idea was to keep friendly governments in power and the best way to do that was using USAID to fund media.

I don't know if they were successful or not.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm sorry. But if you're okay with this, fvck you. You want to deport the gay barber who came here LEGALLY seeking asylum, just like Trump and Musk want to give asylum to white South Africans, fine. But to send him to an El Salvador prison just because he has a tattoo that is NOT gang related and to do it without due process? Yeah, if you're down with that, fvck you. And fvck JD Vance with his circular reasoning. JD Vance falsely claimed this man was a "convicted MS-13 gang member." Well, it turns out the Trump administration has now admitted they "made a mistake." You know how you avoid making that kind of mistake in the first place? GIVE EVERY MOTHERFVCKER DUE PROCESS REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY ENDED UP IN THIS COUNTRY AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ARE ACCUSED OF BEFORE YOU SEND THEM OFF TO PRISON!

I'm on record here saying that I believe that everyone in the US has rights, and the Bill of Rights applies.

It's also prudent to never believe, or take at face value, the mainstream media on anything, especially their left-wing political outrage porn.

Also note that the media has been talking about more than one case, and the link provided in the rant above about "made a mistake" refers to a different case than the "gay barber" (actually a gay make-up artist).

And we can not ignore the possibility that left wing saboteurs in ICE or related enforcement could make these "mistakes" on purpose, in order to generate leftist hysteria and media outrage.

 

[Invisible Man]

Organized crimes. You know like the mafia except these people are typically wanted in other countries so they come here to escape being arrested.

The FBI and homeland security tracks it. They infiltrate the gangs and bust them on crimes.

OK. So this is strictly limited to people who have been proven guilty of actively participating in committing crimes? Simple membership in a gang is not being used as a pretext to imprison anyone?

 

[nikcers]

OK. So this is strictly limited to people who have been proven guilty of actively participating in committing crimes? Simple membership in a gang is not being used as a pretext to imprison anyone?

Alien enemies.

You know like if someone is a member of Al Qaeda a group who is an enemy of the state.

We don't wait for them to commit acts of terrorism we deport them.

 

[TheTexan]

Alien enemies.

You know like if someone is a member of Al Qaeda a group who is an enemy of the state.

We don't wait for them to commit acts of terrorism we deport them.

But muh due process for muh illegals

 

[unknown]

How did any of you end up as fans of Ron Paul? were the newsletters that influential?

Errrr, the people opposed to due process?

 

[unknown]

@jmdrake

If someone is here without any kind of status, green card, visa, TPS etc.

Would you be opposed to non-prison deportation, escorted out of the country, without due process?

 

[nikcers]

But muh due process for muh illegals

Enemies of the United States, foreign and domestic.

If a group is designated enemy of the state it's an executive power.


In the Prize Cases, 1862, the Court said whether the President "in fulfilling his duties as Commander in Chief" had met with a situation justifying treating the southern States as belligerents and instituting a blockade, was a question "to be decided by him" and which the Court could not question, but must leave to "the political department of the Government to which this power was entrusted."

The Supreme Court rejected the argument that only citizens of foreign nations could be “enemies”

Additionally, The existence of a war is not dependent on legislative sanction.

Additionally, while Congress has the power to declare war, Congress passed laws granting the president the authority to use military and naval forces to suppress insurrection and invasion.

According to the Supreme Court, for there to be war for the purposes of the president’s war power, it is not necessary that both parties are acknowledged as independent nations.

 

[tebowlives]

I'm against prisons of any form,

The Convicts Union of America supports this message

 

[Swordsmyth]

How did any of you end up as fans of Ron Paul? were the newsletters that influential?

Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• 
  [*=left]Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  [*=left]Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  [*=left]No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  [*=left]No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  [*=left]End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  [*=left]Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26
"I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently." - Ron Paul on Meet The Press 23 Dec 2007

http://archive.is/HW9aj

MR. RUSSERT: You say you're a strict constructionist of the Constitution, and yet you want to amend the Constitution to say that children born here should not automatically be U.S. citizens.REP. PAUL: Well, amending the Constitution is constitutional. What's a--what's the contradiction there?
MR. RUSSERT: So in the Constitution as written, you want to amend?
REP. PAUL: Well, that's constitutional, to do it. Besides, it was the 14th Amendment. It wasn't in the original Constitution. And there's a, there's a confusion on interpretation. In the early years, it was never interpreted that way, and it's still confusing because people--individuals are supposed to have birthright citizenship if they're under the jurisdiction of the government. And somebody who illegally comes in this country as a drug dealer, is he under the jurisdiction and their children deserve citizenship? I think it's awfully, awfully confusing, and, and I, I--matter of fact, I have a bill to change that as well as a Constitutional amendment to clarify it.

 

[unknown]

Enemies of the United States, foreign and domestic.

If a group is designated enemy of the state it's an executive power.


In the Prize Cases, 1862, the Court said whether the President "in fulfilling his duties as Commander in Chief" had met with a situation justifying treating the southern States as belligerents and instituting a blockade, was a question "to be decided by him" and which the Court could not question, but must leave to "the political department of the Government to which this power was entrusted."

The Supreme Court rejected the argument that only citizens of foreign nations could be “enemies”

Additionally, The existence of a war is not dependent on legislative sanction.

Additionally, while Congress has the power to declare war, Congress passed laws granting the president the authority to use military and naval forces to suppress insurrection and invasion.

According to the Supreme Court, for there to be war for the purposes of the president’s war power, it is not necessary that both parties are acknowledged as independent nations.

Neither Congress nor the Supreme Fraud have the authority to usurp the Constitution.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Neither Congress nor the Supreme Fraud have the authority to usurp the Constitution.

And they aren't.

 

[nikcers]

Neither Congress nor the Supreme Fraud have the authority to usurp the Constitution.

The Constitution is a guard rail that imposes limits on government powers.

We can ammend the constitution and impose more limitations on a presidents power or change the president's power but thats the power currently given to the president under our constitution unless we change it.

The congress can remove the president from office. They can choose to remove a president but the power of the office of the president would just transfer to someone else.

 

[vita3]

Did the architects & signers of the Constitution ever envision the President using executive orders?, so mightily

 

[Swordsmyth]

Did the architects & signers of the Constitution ever envision the President using executive orders?, so mightily

Yes, the Alien Enemies Act was passed by them and retained even when the companion Sedition Act was overturned.

 

[acptulsa]

...the Alien Enemies Act...

...has nothing whatsoever to do with executive orders. It doesn't authorize executive orders. It isn't an executive order. It's irrelevant to the question.

 

[nikcers]

Yes, the Alien Enemies Act was passed by them and retained even when the companion Sedition Act was overturned.

The Sedition act was supposed to be temporary and set to expire to stop people from overthrowing the Republic that was just created.

People needed to learn to live in a republic they thought just having a Republic government didn't change the minds of men who had lived under the rule of kings for centuries.

Under a Monarchy, the Kings rule had to be overthrown in order to change government you had to overthrow it.

So it was written to expire specifically after the election would take place so that an election could happen. “We are all Republicans; we are all Federalists,” Jefferson said in his 1801 inaugural address.

John Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson in 1815:“What do we mean by the Revolution? The war? That was no part of the revolution; it was only an effect and consequence of it. The revolution was in the minds of the people.”

Jefferson wrote in 1819, of “the revolution of 1800,” referring to the presidential and congressional elections of that year.

 

[acptulsa]

The bot seems not to be programmed to recognize the word irrelevant.

 

[nikcers]

The bot seems not to be programmed to recognize the word irrelevant.

The Sedition act and the reasoning behind it isn't irrelevant.

It's the idea that freedom is in the minds of men and the reasoning behind it particularly because the idea of having aliens come here without assimilation to our form of government is detrimental to the form of government we have.

You know- it's the same argument someone like a Rand Paul says when he says we can't just topple a secular dictatorship government and have a Thomas Jefferson emerge.

 

[Swordsmyth]

...has nothing whatsoever to do with executive orders. It doesn't authorize executive orders. It isn't an executive order. It's irrelevant to the question.

Shows you don't know anything about the Alien Enemies Act.