Joe Rogan : "You gotta get scared that people who are not criminals are being set to El Salvador prisons."

[nikcers]

Well guys we can go back to open borders now because the media found someone who said "it wasn't me".

It was good while it lasted.

 

[Invisible Man]

What does it actually mean to be a gang member? I mean legally.

Is there some concrete objective thing that we can point to for any given person that indicates gang membership?

Associating with some other person or group of people can't possibly be a valid way to do this. You can associate with people who are in a gang without being in their gang.

Gangs don't register their membership with the government like employers do with their employees.

If a given person is proven guilty of a specific crime, as in the kind where there's a victim, then their guilt of that crime is just a real whether they're in a gang or not. Status as a gang member doesn't change anything.

This is not a rhetorical question. Seriously, when the government identifies a person as a gang member, what are the actual objective factual criteria they base that on?

 

[nikcers]

What does it actually mean to be a gang member? I mean legally.

Is there some concrete objective thing that we can point to for any given person that indicates gang membership?

Associating with some other person or group of people can't possibly be a valid way to do this. You can associate with people who are in a gang without being in their gang.

Gangs don't register their membership with the government like employers do with their employees.

If a given person is proven guilty of a specific crime, as in the kind where there's a victim, then their guilt of that crime is just a real whether they're in a gang or not. Status as a gang member doesn't change anything.

This is not a rhetorical question. Seriously, when the government identifies a person as a gang member, what are the actual objective factual criteria they base that on?

Organized crimes. You know like the mafia except these people are typically wanted in other countries so they come here to escape being arrested.

The FBI and homeland security tracks it. They infiltrate the gangs and bust them on crimes.

 

[PAF]

open borders

You mean "closed" borders, where one needs government permission to enter/exit, searched without a warrant, stops at the building where government issued cards are applied for, and can only take x amount of your hard earned dollars on airplanes and such.

There is no such thing as "open" borders. That was invented by statists who believe that human beings are property of the government, and people who promote that in order to pay more of their tax dollars to support such things. If it was an actual "open" border, people would come and go as they pleased without collecting $200 as they pass Go.

YOU are part of the problem.

 

[nikcers]

You mean "closed" borders, where one needs government permission to enter/exit, searched without a warrant, stops at the building where government issued cards are applied for, and can only take x amount of your hard earned dollars on airplanes and such.

There is no such thing as "open" borders. That was invented by statists who believe that human beings are property of the government, and people who promote that in order to pay more of their tax dollars to support such things. If it was an actual "open" border, people would come and go as they pleased without collecting $200 as they pass Go.

YOU are part of the problem.

Was Benjamin Franklin part of the problem when his own son was kicked out of the United States for siding with the British Empire?

Do you think we should allow enemies of the state to be here?

Would you support a foreign occupation?

 

[PAF]

Was Benjamin Franklin part of the problem when his own son was kicked out of the United States for siding with the British Empire?

Do you think we should allow enemies of the state to be here?

Would you support a foreign occupation?

That is a ridiculous response. We have the Bill of Rights. I abide by each and every one of the Bill of Rights without exception. There are things in it like due process, for one. Once you abandon the Bill of Rights, we are no longer a country of which we were founded. Foreigners don't "hate us for our freedoms" - Americans do.

Do you believe that the Bill of Rights should be abided by? Or are you one of those "new republicans" that believe they are optional and/or outdated?

 

[nikcers]

That is a ridiculous response. We have the Bill of Rights. I abide by each and every one of the Bill of Rights without exception. There are things in it like due process, for one. Once you abandon the Bill of Rights, we are no longer a country of which we were founded. Foreigners don't "hate us for our freedoms" - Americans do.

Do you believe that the Bill of Rights should be abided by? Or are you one of those "new republicans" that believe they are optional and/or outdated?

Who do you think wrote the Bill of Rights?

Those people who wrote it deported the people who sided with Great Britain.

Benjamin Franklin's own son got deported to Britain.

 

[PAF]

Who do you think wrote the Bill of Rights?

Those people who wrote it deported the people who sided with Great Britain.

Benjamin Franklin's own son got deported to Britain.

Did his son get a trial in a court of law before a jury of his peers? If not [I don't know either way], then I'm not interested. Go ask a statist, or one of those "new" GW Bush republicans.

 

[nikcers]

Did his son get a trial in a court of law before a jury of his peers? If not [I don't know either way], then I'm not interested. Go ask a statist, or one of those "new" GW Bush republicans.

Do we ever give foreign nationals who are enemies of the state a trial? No we don't. We didn't give the people who sided with the British Empire a trial we through them out.

They tried to occupy the country with a foreign army. They would of have you house their soldiers.

 

[PAF]

Do we ever give foreign nationals who are enemies of the state a trial? No we don't. We didn't give the people who sided with the British Empire a trial we through them out.

They tried to occupy the country with a foreign army. They would of have you house their soldiers.

We have a problem with our own government manufacturing this so-called "invasion", in order to get buy-in from people like you to abandon our freedoms and liberty, at tax payer expense, only to line the pockets of the prison industrial complex and the folks who print up those "government owns you" cards.

I have no idea who is an enemy, or not, just because somebody took advantage of a handout/transportation that our legislatures provided them.

You are barking up the wrong tree if you actually think that I am going to fall for trading in my freedoms for "security".

Let's see: government does every thing imaginable to keep the slaves at bay, but this one single topic "open/closed borders", the government actually cares about you and wants to rectify this problem that it created. Riiiiiiight.

 

[nikcers]

We have a problem with our own government manufacturing this so-called "invasion", in order to get buy-in from people like you to abandon our freedoms and liberty, at tax payer expense, only to line the pockets of the prison industrial complex and the folks who print up those "government owns you" cards.

I have no idea who is an enemy, or not, just because somebody took advantage of a handout/transportation that our legislatures provided them.

You are barking up the wrong tree if you actually think that I am going to fall for trading in my freedoms for "security".

Let's see: government does every thing imaginable to keep the slaves at bay, but this one single topic "open/closed borders", the government actually cares about you and wants to rectify this problem that it created. Riiiiiiight.

We don't need to manufacture an invasion because invasions are a fact of life for the last 7000 years or so of history and if you can't defend against them you get written out of history.

If bad guys are coming here or are here and you know they are the bad guys you don't wait for them to harm you.

Can you imagine Paul Revere instead of saying the British are coming he said don't worry guys we don't know for certain they intend to harm us. Let's let them come and see what happens.

 

[PAF]

We don't need to manufacture an invasion because invasions are a fact of life for the last 7000 years or so of history and if you can't defend against them you get written out of history.

If bad guys are coming here or are here and you know they are the bad guys you don't wait for them to harm you.

Can you imagine Paul Revere instead of saying the British are coming he said don't worry guys we don't know for certain they intend to harm us. Let's let them come and see what happens.

If anybody, including you, seems to be a threat to me or my property, I can well defend myself. Otherwise, if you or they in fact act upon whatever "crime", they get due process under the law and according to the BILL OF RIGHTS.

You are conversing with the wrong person here. I will not be swayed. Like most of the "let's pretend we are republicans", you guys have moved so far from right that I now consider you far left extremists.

How about this: I consider YOU a hostile agent because you do not abide by the Bill of Rights, should YOU be sent off to GITMO per my accusation? Or is it ok to shred the BoR just because you were born here [domestic enemy]?

 

[nikcers]

If anybody, including you, seems to be a threat to me or my property, I can well defend myself.

OK buddy NORAD has detected 12 ICBMS coming for your house. The Russians fired them about 30 minutes ago from Sibera.

Hopefully they won't invoke the Bill of Rights.

 

[PAF]

OK buddy NORAD has detected 12 ICBMS coming for your house. The Russians fired them about 30 minutes ago from Sibera.

Hopefully they won't invoke the Bill of Rights.

Like most democrats ["Let's pretend we are republican"], you are incapable of having a logical conversation. We went from immigrant taking travel/handouts that our own legislatures provide, to 12 ICBMs/Nuclear War. Sounds just like the neocons who instigate/initiate WAR.

Go talk to Swordy, you guys can pat each other on the back.

Over and out.

 

[nikcers]

Like most democrats ["Let's pretend we are republican"], you are incapable of having a logical conversation. We went from immigrant taking travel/handouts that our own legislatures provide, to 12 ICBMs/Nuclear War. Sounds just like the neocons who instigate/initiate WAR.

Go talk to Swordy, you guys can pat each other on the back.

Over and out.

You said you didn't need a government to do national defense. I just took it to the logical conclusion.

When people invade they don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

These people aren't typically hurting people that can defend themselves either. Bullies don't do that.

 

[acptulsa]

We don't need to manufacture an invasion...

They did anyway. "Non" -government organizations funded by CIA fronts like USAID used money voted to them by McConnell, Cruz, Graham and Trump to fund a four year constant migration.

They didn't need to but they did. They did it so Republicans would goose step around hollering, "Papers, pliss!" And as an AI bot, you're a damned poor sheep dog who is radically failing to get us on board with it.

 

[nikcers]

They did anyway. "Non" -government organizations funded by CIA fronts like USAID used money voted to them by McConnell, Cruz, Graham and Trump were used to fund a four year forced migration.

They didn't need to but they did. They did it so Republicans would goose step around hollering, "Papers, pliss!" And as an AI bot, you're a damned poor sheep dog who is radically failing to get us on board with it.

USAID wasn't used to manufacture an invasion.

The State Department and the CIA used it to fund media in other countries to make sure that governments who are friendly to us remained in power.

This was to make sure we never had to fight a war against them.

 

[acptulsa]

USAID wasn't used to manufacture an invasion.

Whatever. The Red Cross was. Doctors Without Borders was. They got the money through some CIA front or another. Therefore your entire foolish attempt at deflection and obfuscation is useless and invalid

 

[nikcers]

Whatever. The Red Cross was. Doctors Without Borders was. They got the money through some CIA front or another. Therefore your entire foolish attempt at deflection and obfuscation is useless and invalid

USAID was created during the height of the cold war because we wanted to make sure that governments that were friendly to us remained in power.

Whether or not they achieved that goal or if it was worth the price is probably classified.

One can argue for and against the premise.

If the Nazi's in Germany never came to power 60 millions wouldn't have had to die maybe.

 

[acptulsa]

If the Nazi's in Germany never came to power 60 millions wouldn't have had to die maybe.

You're not talking about the Nazis, confused bot. You're thinking of your favorite ruthless strong man sociopathic communist, Josef Stalin.