Joe Rogan : "You gotta get scared that people who are not criminals are being set to El Salvador prisons."

[acptulsa]

Prove that flying pigs exist or shut up.

We've proved you're as brainless and petulant as any progressive liberal. I think that's enough for one morning.

 

[Snowball]

Look. Here's the deal. Rand is not talking about how he would run things, it's about what he EXPECTS.

And he expects it to be ruled in favor of due process / court rights for ILLEGAL ALIENS.

He rightfully expects a lower court to rule in favor of due process on an individual basis.

That court is going to have to CITE either an existing law in code or an interpretation of a law or the Constitution.

The administration will then elevate this to the SCOTUS, who will take the case.

SCOTUS will decide if ILLEGAL ALIENS have an automatic "right" for due process.

To be accurate about the terminology, it should NOT even be referred to as "due process" because the only process DUE
is that DUE to CITIZENS of the United States and/or legally-abiding residents, etc. - not those who DE FACTO are criminals
just by being here.

Now, the question IS can they be treated AS CRIMINALS before due process? Well, of course they can.
The Exective Branch is charged with border security and enforcement of immigration policy.

SCOTUS will have to rule that there is no DUE process for everyone on the planet. If they do not, we don't have a country.

 

[acptulsa]

SCOTUS will have to rule that there is no DUE process for everyone on the planet. If they do not, we don't have a country.

You're as far from getting the point as the Parrot of the Treehouse.

How do you guarantee that any citizens who get caught up in the net (news flash--cops make mistakes) get due process if there is no process?

Dude. This is how people get tricked into trading liberty for security, and get neither. This is the nuts and bolts of the process. Are you sure you want to help?

 

[Snowball]

You're as far from getting the point as the Parrot of the Treehouse.

How do you guarantee that any citizens who get caught up in the net (news flash--cops make mistakes) get due process if there is no process?

Dude. This is how people get tricked into trading liberty for security, and get neither. This is the nuts and bolts of the process. Are you sure you want to help?

Can you read? They are not entitled to due process. The open border movement is ABUSING the Bill of Rights with its alterations of meaning.

The Fifth Amendment was written to protect AMERICANS FROM COURTS (no person shall be held to answer...)
Not to bring them to courts. Also, it clearly states this DUE PROCESS accorded is accorded so that WE are not to
"be deprived of life, liberty, or property" -- which has NOTHING TO DO with hordes of foreigners marching into our country against its laws.

Those deported are REPATRIATED to their country of origin. Of which they are CITIZENS, and if that country refuses them, they are in effect
stateless and may be situated elsewhere at the discretion of the United States.

 

[Madison320]

GIVE EVERY MOTHERFVCKER DUE PROCESS REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY ENDED UP IN THIS COUNTRY AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ARE ACCUSED OF BEFORE YOU SEND THEM OFF TO PRISON!

I think this is the key part that no one else mentioned in this thread. I get the deporting part for people that are here illegally just don't send them to prison! Deport them, don't imprison them.

They are refugees from the chaos created by the Donald Trump backed U.S. economic embargo of Venezuela.

I agree with everything except for this part. Venezuela was screwed up way before Trump came along. They went full communist in the late 90s under Chavez.

 

[acptulsa]

Can you read? They are not entitled to due process.

I can. I saw you say that citizens are entitled to due process.

Can you? I asked how you can be sure the people you deport aren't citizens with no process. Make all citizens get tattoos on the forehead, maybe? Make all citizens take mRNA shots that write a secret code into our DNA?

News flash, pal. Even those are processes.

 

[Snowball]

I can. I saw you say that citizens are entitled to due process.

Can you? I asked how you can be sure the people you deport aren't citizens with no process. Make all citizens get tattoos on the forehead, maybe? Make all citizens take mRNA shots that write a secret code into our DNA?

News flash, pal. Even those are processes.

They are determined to be Non-Citizens and/or Illegal by exploratory acquisition of STATUS, which is a process, but not the SAME process as the "Due Process" mentioned in the Fifth Amendment.

 

[Snowball]

If a Citizen is deported, they have the right to a case against the goverment. Again, that process neither has anything to do with the "due process" of the Fifth which is merely for charges of crimes against citizens.

It matters NOT whether a foreigner committed any crime. They are not even being charged with a crime.

To what extent they are criminals is up to their OWN government to address.

They need not even BE criminals to be denied residence in the United States. We do not offer that right to every beating heart on the planet.

This was why, for example, it required the Magnuson Act to repeal (in Congress, signed by FDR) the Chinese Exclusion Act.

But nobody at the time was arguing that the U.S. didn't have the authority to deport Chinese or anyone else. That authority merely changed its position on the matter. But the authority itself was not disgorged. Many today want the authority ITSELF disgorged, and their avenue of deceit is to abuse the language of the Constitution far outside of its intended purpose.

 

[acptulsa]

They are determined to be Non-Citizens and/or Illegal by exploratory acquisition of STATUS, which is a process, but not the SAME process as the "Due Process" mentioned in the Fifth Amendment.

Who says? Where in the Fifth is it spelled out to a degree that you can say that with such confidence?

 

[acptulsa]

It matters NOT whether a foreigner committed any crime. They are not even being charged with a crime.

Illegal entry is a crime. Your whole rant is invalid. When did you decide due process is a bad thing, or something that needs to be rationed? Why risk citizens not getting it out of fear some non-citizen might get some? Is there a shortage of it? Will it do a guilty trespasser any good at all?

Of all the stupid things to get up in arms about, as the currency collapses and Israel kicks off WWIII...

 

[nikcers]

Illegal entry is a crime. Your whole rant is invalid. When did you decide due process is a bad thing, or something that needs to be rationed? Why risk citizens not getting it out of fear some non-citizen might get some? Is there a shortage of it? Will it do a guilty trespasser any good at all?

Of all the stupid things to get up in arms about, as the currency collapses and Israel kicks off WWIII...

Why take any risks? Because there is a compelling reason to take one.

I definitely didn't think it was this bad until states started collapsing around the world approximately 10 years ago.

As whole countries could start running out of things like water or economic collapse this becomes a compelling reason.

I remember at the time I was probably pretty good with lots of immigration but that was when the first person I knew was killed by an illegal immigrant.

He was a 20 year old with a wife and kid.

 

[acptulsa]

Why take any risks? Because there is a compelling reason to take one.

There is? Name it.

As whole countries could start running out of things like water or economic collapse this becomes a compelling reason.

I have water. The collapse is a product of overprinted currency and deliberately provoked market instability. Neither is the fault of treapassers.

Make up another one, AI bot.

 

[nikcers]

There is? Name it.



I have water. The collapse is a product of overprinted currency and deliberately provoked market instability. Neither is the fault of treapassers.

Make up another one, AI bot.

Other countries are running out and will cause failed states. Millions of people in the Western US states already don't have water.

Half the country is turning into a desert.

Mexico is running out of water and the USA stopped sending them water because we don't have enough to send them.

Water will collapse whole countries in the near future it was one of the reasons why Syria failed.

One of the reasons why the Ukraine war started was Ukraine shut off the water going to Crimea and Crimea started running out of water.

 

[acptulsa]

Millions of people in the Western US states already don't have water.

California's self-inflicted supply problems? That's all you have?

Childish fearmongering.

One of the reasons why the Ukraine war started was Ukraine shut off the water going to Crimea and Crimea started running out of water.

Yet more proof that all of the reasons for that war are the same reason: The CIA overthrew the elected government and installed a puppet psycho enough to go on television and play the piano with his cock.

 

[nikcers]

California's self-inflicted supply problems? That's all you have?

Childish fearmongering.

Not fearmongering water wars already exist in other regions.

It's a time bomb waiting to happen.

It's one of the reasons why Greenland is such a soft target. Water is the new oil and they have it.

The fact that we have water is exactly why we had to tell the world our border isn't open.

 

[acptulsa]

Water is the new oil

No, it isn't. You burn oil and you get carbon dioxide and water.

Water is the most stable substance known. Nothing but potassium reacts with it. When you split the molecules don't smoke, or it'll recombine in a flash. You can use it and abuse it, and all it takes to make it clean and pure again is evaporation.

Nice try at selling the Frank Herbert's Dune Psyop, bot, but no sale.

Are you going to try to sell us some climate change now, or have you had enough of trying to hijack this thread with irrelevance?

 

[PAF]

Millions of people in the Western US states already don't have water.

It's one of the reasons why Greenland is such a soft target. Water is the new oil and they have it.

The fact that we have water is exactly why we had to tell the world our border isn't open.

While there are water shortages because places have failed to maintain their water plants, you just contradicted ^ yourself ^.


As for Greenland, that has been the goal of The Technate of America, of which Elon Musk's grandfather [once a member of said organization] supported early on, and is now being promoted by Musk and Trump now.

The Technate of America: A Plan To Replace Partisan Politicians & Business People With Scientists & Engineers - Brilliant Maps

The map above from 1940 shows the proposed Technate of America. This was basically a plan to run all of North America and some of South American by scientists and engineers rather than partisan politicians and business people.

brilliantmaps.com

Whitney Webb discusses that [Greenland] here:

​

 

[nikcers]

No, it isn't. You burn oil and you get carbon dioxide and water.

Water is the most stable substance known. Nothing but potassium reacts with it. When you split the molecules don't smoke, or it'll recombine in a flash. You can use it and abuse it, and all it takes to make it clean and pure again is evaporation.

Nice try at selling the Frank Herbert's Dune Psyop, bot, but no sale

No country will want to be dependent on another country for water like oil and nations have gone to war over oil.

That's what makes it the new oil. That and desalination costs a lot of energy.

So when there is no fresh water nations use desalination and convert their oil into water.

We saw what happened in Crimea after Russia took control.

Ukraine damed up the water, turned off Crimea's water and then Russia invaded Ukraine.

There are countries looking at daming up the Nile even. That very well might be the next water war.

 

[acptulsa]

So when there is no fresh water...

Mommy! The big bad bot's trying to scare me!

Ain't workin', though...

Put this in your processor and smoke it, bot.

 

[nikcers]

While there are water shortages because places have failed to maintain their water plants, you just contradicted ^ yourself ^.


As for Greenland, that has been the goal of The Technate of America, of which Elon Musk's grandfather [once a member of said organization] supported early on, and is now being promoted by Musk and Trump now.


"The Technate of America: A Plan To Replace Partisan Politicians & Business People With Scientists & Engineers"

The Technate of America: A Plan To Replace Partisan Politicians & Business People With Scientists & Engineers - Brilliant Maps

The map above from 1940 shows the proposed Technate of America. This was basically a plan to run all of North America and some of South American by scientists and engineers rather than partisan politicians and business people.

brilliantmaps.com

Whitney Webb discusses that [Greenland] here:

​

Nobody discusses it but Greenland has one of the largest sources of water in the world, the ice.

That coupled with their small population size makes them a soft target.

Thousands of years of history will tell you that's a crisis waiting to happen.

As other regions of the world dry up that water starts looking pretty attractive.

Historically speaking people aren't very nice and they go and take something when they want it badly enough.