Joe Rogan : "You gotta get scared that people who are not criminals are being set to El Salvador prisons."

[Anti Federalist]

People are implying that the definition of due process is ten lawyers playing around in two or three courtrooms over a period of five years. That's the whole disconnect here. It's the stupid little tempest the New USAID is trying to stir up in this tiny teapot. It's bullshit. It is bullshit.

If you cannot perceive that is exactly how this is going to play out, there's nothing I can say further that will convince you.

But of course that's the plan.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Saying, due process is necessary to ensure citizens aren't accidentally deprived of their rights, and watching people screech, we can't afford to do due process but stop saying we aren't making sure of that!!

I agree with you on this.

I think taking Bukele's offer to imprison MS13 invaders at CECOT was a mistake.

If the border was fully secured by US Marines, it really would not matter much. March these invaders to the border, kick them in the ass on the way out the door, and then close and lock the door behind. What happens to them after that, I could not possibly care less about.

Anybody that can provide proof that they are a citizen or a legal visitor will be afforded a chance to make their case or released.

Now, that being said, are any of these people that the Marxists are wailing about, US citizens?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I see a lot more white American folks [especially in Section 8] in my parts committing crimes, more than immigrants who typically own and operate paving companies and restaurants [the food is pretty good too].

I'm sure you do and that is nothing more than a tragic commentary on how far Whites have been degraded and had their birthright taken from them.

My wish is to begin the healing process, in my tiny, inconsequential way.

That can't happen while drowning in a sea of hostile, infinity browns, regardless of how good you think their street food is.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Not that hard...

 

[acptulsa]

Now, that being said, are any of these people that the Marxists are wailing about, US citizens?

I don't know. Probably not. Are you still listening to those idiots?

All I know is the wailing around here. When libtards wail, you must too? If they jumped off a roof, would you have to do that? They cut their dicks off, too, but I don't see you doing that. So why do y'all feel the need to wail when they do?

 

[Anti Federalist]

So now you're against Habeas Corpus?

Yes, we are under invasion, the constitution makes specific allowances for suspending habeus corpus in times of rebellion or invasion.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't know. Probably not. Are you still listening to those idiots?

All I know is the wailing around here. When libtards wail, you must too? If they jumped off a roof, would you have to do that? They cut their dicks off, too, but I don't see you doing that. So why do y'all feel the need to wail when they do?

So, they are not US citizens.

My understanding is that Biden gave them "double secret parolee" status, essentially bypassing existing law to allow them into the country on a free pass and roughly $5000 a month in handouts paid for by you and me.

Trump revokes that status, removing legal protection and starts to throw them out.

So, fine, throw their asses out.

What's the problem?

 

[PAF]

Yes, we are under invasion, the constitution makes specific allowances for suspending habeus corpus in times of rebellion or invasion.

I haven't seen gunz-a-blazing!!! or overthrows of government!!! in Ohio/PA yet. When's it coming???

The problems that I have are the old guys with MAGA caps and ladies with dyed-red hair electing these idiot politicians who put a damper on my life. We don't have undocumented immigrants in any political office, or the money to affect any change..

Now if you want to talk MIC, these same politicians keep that momentum going in my area, when those workers could be working in other sectors which would actually benefit me.

 

[acptulsa]

What's the problem?

You tell me. You keep wanting to suspend habeus corpus but Trump's press sec says it's being done and it isn't a problem to do it. So, yeah, you tell me.

I don't have a problem, but then I'm not letting noisy librards tie my undies in a knot for me.

 

[PAF]

So, they are not US citizens.

My understanding is that Biden gave them "double secret parolee" status, essentially bypassing existing law to allow them into the country on a free pass and roughly $5000 a month in handouts paid for by you and me.

Trump revokes that status, removing legal protection and starts to throw them out.

So, fine, throw their asses out.

What's the problem?

Wait... you said "money". I am all in for not giving out $5000, or any amount

Take the welfare incentive away and that will bring things back to normalcy. All other tactics not wanted/needed.

 

[nikcers]

Homeland Security has facial recognition that works better than even legacy methods of identifying a person. This isn't 20 years ago.


You would have to get facial reconstruction surgery to avoid being identified by the 1000s of cameras you pass every day.

Seal team 6 isn't going to mistake you for being Osama Bin Laden and dump your body in the ocean.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

"On the issue of US sovereignty, SCOTUS says the government has the power to expel.

“The right of a nation to expel or deport foreigners who have not been naturalized, or taken any steps towards becoming citizens of the country, rests upon the same grounds, and is as absolute and unqualified, as the right to prohibit and prevent their entrance into the country. … The power to exclude aliens, and the power to expel them, rest upon one ground only—upon the inherent and inalienable right of every sovereign and independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be permitted to remain within its jurisdiction.” Fong Yue Ting v. United States, 149 U.S. 698, 707-711 (1893).

On the issue of summary removals, SCOTUS said the government can expel but distinguished this from summary imprisonment as a penalty for illegal entrance.

“No limits can be put by the courts upon the power of Congress to protect, by summary methods, the country from the advent of aliens whose race or habits render them undesirable as citizens, or to expel such if they have already found their way into our land, and unlawfully remain therein. But to declare unlawful residence within the country to be an infamous crime, punishable by deprivation of liberty and property, would be to pass out of the sphere of constitutional legislation, unless provision were made that the fact of guilt should first be established by a judicial trial.” Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U.S. 228, 237-238 (1896).

Wong Wing is the only SCOTUS case that explicitly addresses the government’s power to deport illegals while also discussing their due process rights, and that was 1896. I don’t think the current bench will overrule it. I think there will be discussions on how much due process is available under this Act that Trump is using.

The real problem is Congress. Congress didn’t provide the Executive with the requisite tools to deal with the problem of being overrun by illegals."

 

[acptulsa]

On the issue of US sovereignty, SCOTUS says the government has the power to expel.

As near as I can tell, that's what they're doing. As a civil action. That greatly simplifies the due process.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

If you cannot perceive that is exactly how this is going to play out, there's nothing I can say further that will convince you.

But of course that's the plan.

Of course. The goal of the left is years of court hearings for EVERY LAST one of the 10s of millions of people who rushed into the US. That is impossible, and everyone knows it.

And the people on TV crying about due process don't give a rat's ass about due process in a court. These are the same people who wanted to put you in a Gulag if you didn't get a Covid "vaccine" or wear a symbolic mask. Hell, many of them would have been happy to see you summarily executed for that, but they settled for having you fired, and exiled from society.

 

[nikcers]

Of course. The goal of the left is years of court hearings for EVERY LAST one of the 10s of millions of people who rushed into the US. That is impossible, and everyone knows it.

And the people on TV crying about due process don't give a rat's ass about due process in a court. These are the same people who wanted to put you in a Gulag if you didn't get a Covid "vaccine" or wear a symbolic mask. Hell, many of them would have been happy to see you summarily executed for that, but they settled for having you fired, and exiled from society.

There's a lot of money to be made in paying for all those court fees. All of those hearings and appeals and lawyers.

Those people don't work for free you know. That's just how kind hearted these people are.

They are willing to let the government do it's job just as long as they get a piece of the action.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If you cannot perceive that is exactly how this is going to play out, there's nothing I can say further that will convince you.

But of course that's the plan.

They're in on it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm sure you do and that is nothing more than a tragic commentary on how far Whites have been degraded and had their birthright taken from them.

My wish is to begin the healing process, in my tiny, inconsequential way.

That can't happen while drowning in a sea of hostile, infinity browns, regardless of how good you think their street food is.

I'm sure he doesn't.
He's a white American hating liar pedaling the same tired old lies while trying to facilitate the great replacement.

 

[TheTexan]

We should afford them about as much due process going out as they had coming in.

E.g., none.

 

[unknown]

If you haven't committed any crimes while in the US, you should not be deported to a prison.

We're being told that this is essentially a life sentence.

Over a fucking tattoo or an allegation?

That's the standard of proof?

Ship em off to their country of origin.

 

[unknown]

Alleged MS-13 member Kilmar Abrego Garcia no longer in notorious CECOT megaprison, senator says

Purported MS-13 member Kilmar Abrego Garcia is no longer being housed in the Central American country’s notorious CECOT megaprison, Sen. Chris Van Hollen told reporters Friday.

nypost.com

"He told me, and this was yesterday, that eight days ago — so I guess nine days ago from today — he was moved to another detention center in Santa Ana, where the conditions are better,” the Maryland Democrat told reporters at Dulles Airport in northern Virginia upon his return from a three-day trip to El Salvador highlighted by a meeting with Abrego Garcia."

Goddam, that's a long sentence.