Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal

Then there is also this hilarious notion that "illegal immigrants" are destroying this country.

All I have to say to that is

lmao.

Give. me. a. break.

The government is causing economic chaos (through taxation, regulation, prohibition, and coercive monopolies on a number of different services) and you blame a vital part of the free market (people being able to hire whoever the hell they want) for destroying the country.

Laughable.
 
Maybe thats why people (including myself) are inclined to believe racism is a factor here.

Calling someone an illegal alien is a statement of fact. It has nothing whatsoever to do with racism and for you to keep claiming that it does, lends credence to the distinct possibility that you have an alternate agenda.
 
Ron Paul would disagree:

The Immigraton Question


The recent immigration protests in Los Angeles have brought the issue to the forefront, provoking strong reactions from millions of Americans. The protesters’ cause of open borders is not well served when they drape themselves in Mexican flags and chant slogans in Spanish. If anything, their protests underscore the Balkanization of America caused by widespread illegal immigration. How much longer can we maintain huge unassimilated subgroups within America, filled with millions of people who don’t speak English or participate fully in American life? Americans finally have decided the status quo is unacceptable, and immigration may be the issue that decides the 2008 presidential election.

We’re often reminded that America is a nation of immigrants, implying that we’re coldhearted to restrict immigration in any way. But the new Americans reaching our shores in the late 1800s and early 1900s were legal immigrants. In many cases they had no chance of returning home again. They maintained their various ethnic and cultural identities, but they also learned English and embraced their new nationality.

Today, the overwhelming majority of Americans – including immigrants – want immigration reduced, not expanded. The economic, cultural, and political situation was very different 100 years ago.

We’re often told that immigrants do the jobs Americans won’t do, and sometimes this is true. But in many instances illegal immigrants simply increase the supply of labor in a community, which lowers wages. And while cheap labor certainly benefits the economy as a whole, when calculating the true cost of illegal immigration we must include the cost of social services that many new immigrants consume – especially medical care.

We must reject amnesty for illegal immigrants in any form. We cannot continue to reward lawbreakers and expect things to get better. If we reward millions who came here illegally, surely millions more will follow suit. Ten years from now we will be in the same position, with a whole new generation of lawbreakers seeking amnesty.

Amnesty also insults legal immigrants, who face years of paperwork and long waits to earn precious American citizenship.

Birthright citizenship similarly rewards lawbreaking, and must be stopped. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the perverse incentive to sneak into this country remains strong. Citizenship involves more than the mere location of one’s birth. True citizenship requires cultural connections and an allegiance to the United States. Americans are happy to welcome those who wish to come here and build a better life for themselves, but we rightfully expect immigrants to show loyalty and attempt to assimilate themselves culturally. Birthright citizenship sometimes confers the benefits of being American on people who do not truly embrace America.

We need to allocate far more resources, both in terms of money and manpower, to securing our borders and coastlines here at home. This is the most critical task before us, both in terms of immigration problems and the threat of foreign terrorists. Unless and until we secure our borders, illegal immigration and the problems associated with it will only increase.

April 4, 2006

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
 
To the extent that private property is respected, the amount of order in a society increases. In order to remove all "illegal immigrants" from this country and prevent more free travelers from coming in massive amounts of property rights would need to be violated causing even more disorder than is currently being experienced in our society.
 
Then there is also this hilarious notion that "illegal immigrants" are destroying this country.

All I have to say to that is

lmao.

Give. me. a. break.

The government is causing economic chaos (through taxation, regulation, prohibition, and coercive monopolies on a number of different services) and you blame a vital part of the free market (people being able to hire whoever the hell they want) for destroying the country.

Laughable.

People being able to hire who ever the hell they want my be a free market principle but cheap labor thanks to government hand out sure as hell ain't. Also when you bring up race there is on important thing you leave out, when an American is on welfare and gets a good job he loses his welfare and has to pay back into the system. When an illegal immigrant has a good job he can still live off the system.
 
Maybe thats why people (including myself) are inclined to believe racism is a factor here.


Yes. Of Course. And as I have always stated. This assumes that people like me would be perfectly fine with Canadians (who are predominantly white) pouring across the border in the same fashion as the Mexicans, simply because they are white. Give me a f'king break!!!!
 
Calling someone an illegal alien is a statement of fact. It has nothing whatsoever to do with racism and for you to keep claiming that it does, lends credence to the distinct possibility that you have an alternate agenda.

No its not, its just a stupid made up legal fiction. Are you telling me that the official derogatory language used against the Jews by the Hitler regime is a "statement of fact?"

No, of course not. Its just stupid terms some shmuck bureaucrat made up.

Or are you not being logically consistent?
 
Calling someone an illegal alien is a statement of fact. It has nothing whatsoever to do with racism and for you to keep claiming that it does, lends credence to the distinct possibility that you have an alternate agenda.

^This!
 
Yes. Of Course. And as I have always stated. This assumes that people like me would be perfectly fine with Canadians (who are predominantly white) pouring across the border in the same fashion as the Mexicans, simply because they are white. Give me a f'king break!!!!

Ok, fine. Ethnocentrism instead of racism.
 
To the extent that private property is respected, the amount of order in a society increases.
Yes and my private property is being disrespected when ILLEGAL ALIENS steal from my pocket. And last time I checked, there were a lot of Texans whose border properties were being disrespected/trashed out by ILLEGAL ALIENS, when the ILLEGAL ALIENS crossed the border, ILLEGALLY.

In order to remove all "illegal immigrants" from this country and prevent more free travelers from coming in massive amounts of property rights would need to be violated causing even more disorder than is currently being experienced in our society.

Oh, so it's not so much that you agree with ILLEGAL ALIENS entering our country, ILLEGALLY, you just have a problem with the proposed solutions thus far to stop it. I see. :rolleyes:

I have an idea. How about they all come to live with YOU and you pay for all of them. Deal?
 
How about they all come to live with YOU and you pay for all of them. Deal?

You're contradicting your own position now. Does PowerOfReason have a right to have illegal immigrants come live with him on his own property at his own expense or not? If he does then it is wrong for government to intervene in that arrangement should he choose to do so. But you're position thus far has been precisely that government should intervene in such arrangements.
 
Here's a statement of fact: Xenophobia drives people away from the liberty movement.

lololol

xen·o·phobe (zěn'ə-fōb', zē'nə-)
n. A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.

Yes, you have a future with the ADL or the Southern Poverty Law Center. :p You might even be able to contribute to the next MIAC document.

Your claim is so idiotic, it doesn't deserve any further response.
 
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Here's a statement of fact: Xenophobia drives people away from the liberty movement.

Statement of fact: Assuming that someone who is against people coming into this country simply for hand outs and tax free labor(while all the other citizens must pay) doesn't make you a racist and saying it does just drives people away.
 
Statement of fact: Assuming that someone who is against people coming into this country simply for hand outs and tax free labor(while all the other citizens must pay) doesn't make you a racist.

Point taken. I get that. I just think you are misdirecting your anger.
 
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