Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal

[powerofreason]

So what if it is?

Then thats disgusting.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I send money to a charity that does relief work in Mexico. Am I hurting the economy by sending my money down there? Is it actually any of anyone's business what I do with the money that I earned myself?

No, of course not. But, you appear to be dodging what Lord Xar said. Currently, WE, by way of our government, are being forced to subsidize illegal aliens' health care, schooling and more. Many, if not most, of these illegal aliens are paid under the table. So, they do not pay the taxes which are used to subsidize their illegal backsides. The money they earn is largely sent back to their families in Mexico. So, while it is a small part of the whole problem, that money they have earned, illegally, is not even being used in the communities whose teat they are sucking.

It's pretty simple, actually.

 

[powerofreason]

"Illegal immigration" is a market solution to a market problem.

Problem: Cheap labor needed.
Solution: Immigrants willing to work for (what we consider to be) low wages in order to have a better life.

If cheap labor wasn't needed, the immigrants could come but they'd have to go back home if no one wanted their labor.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Lets lay down the truth here and exercise the Non-Aggression Principle when it comes to these so called "illegal immigrants".

1. An owner of a private business may hire whomever he chooses, at any rate of pay, as a voluntary agreement between employer and employee.
2. Crossing made up, invisible lines in the sand, is not wrong.
3. "Government land" is in fact unowned land and therefore cannot be trespassed against, vandalized, or have anything wrong done to it.
4. Accepting stolen money or property is not a crime in and of itself.
5. Governments are immoral organizations and any authority they claim to possess is in reality just a whole bunch of usurpations of property rights. Only a private property owner has authority, and the authority does not extend beyond the property boundaries.

You get the handouts stopped to the illegal aliens and then we'll talk. But, not until then.

 

[powerofreason]

No, of course not. But, you appear to be dodging what Lord Xar said. Currently, WE, by way of our government, are being forced to subsidize illegal aliens' health care, schooling and more. Many, if not most, of these illegal aliens are paid under the table. So, they do not pay the taxes which are used to subsidize their illegal backsides. The money they earn is largely sent back to their families in Mexico. So, while it is a small part of the whole problem, that money they have earned, illegally, is not even being used in the communities whose teat they are sucking.

It's pretty simple, actually.

Why do you choose to blame the recipients of the theft and not the thieves? Because its easier to pick on the immigrants, right?

Yet the immigrants aren't guilty of doing anything wrong.

YOU are guilty of doing something wrong if you take action to forcibly remove these people from this land though. Remember, your authority ends where your property boundary ends. Unless you're trying to collect a loan or something but you still have to abide by private property rules. (if you're interested in being a good and moral person and not an enemy of civilization)

 

[powerofreason]

You get the handouts stopped to the illegal aliens and then we'll talk. But, not until then.

Not my responsibility. Prove that it is.

 

[LibertyEagle]

When you grow up and get a real job, come and tell me all about it, then.

 

[powerofreason]

When you grow up and get a real job, come and tell me all about it, then.

I'll never harass innocent people, at any stage of my life.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Why do you choose to blame the recipients of the theft and not the thieves? Because its easier to pick on the immigrants, right?

Yet the immigrants aren't guilty of doing anything wrong.

Why are you spending most of your time fighting for illegal aliens, instead of fighting to stop the welfare that is being given to them?

YOU are guilty of doing something wrong if you take action to forcibly remove these people from this land though. Remember, your authority ends where your property boundary ends. Unless you're trying to collect a loan or something but you still have to abide by private property rules. (if you're interested in being a good and moral person and not an enemy of civilization)

Bullshit. I don't live in anarchy la-la land. If someone sticks their hand in my pocket and steals from me, it damn sure is my right to stop them.

By the way, they are not "immigrants", they are illegal aliens. There is a huge difference.

 

[powerofreason]

"Illegal immigrants" are only one portion of our society collecting stolen money. So clearly to focus on them so much indicates some kind of racist tendencies, even if on a subconscious level.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'll never harass innocent people, at any stage of my life.

I was talking about you seeing how much of your paycheck was stolen from you by taxes. It's amazing how that impacts people when they first see that.

 

[LibertyEagle]

"Illegal immigrants" are only one portion of our society collecting stolen money. So clearly to focus on them so much indicates some kind of racist tendencies, even if on a subconscious level.

lololol

I do not want ANYONE to steal my money and that includes ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Note: With the way you attempted to twist what I said to "racism", you may have a future with the ADL or FOX news. It's a toss up.

 

[powerofreason]

Why are you spending most of your time fighting for illegal aliens, instead of fighting to stop the welfare that is being given to them?

The system will go bankrupt eventually. Until then there's nothing meaningful I can do. Nor should I feel obligated to.

Bullshit. I don't live in anarchy la-la land. If someone sticks their hand in my pocket and steals from me, it damn sure is my right to stop them.

By the way, they are not "immigrants", they are illegal aliens. There is a huge difference.

The Non-Aggression Principle applies to here and now, not your strange notion of "anarchy la la land."

WHO IS REACHING INTO YOUR POCKET AND STEALING FROM YOU?

Is it Jose? Struggling to feed his family?

Or is it Bob the Bureaucrat?

And there you go again trying to dehumanize the enemy by using terms like "illegal alien."

They ain't people! Theys just fucking GOOKS! I hates them GOOKS!

Take me to your leader!

 

[powerofreason]

lololol

I do not want ANYONE to steal my money and that includes ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Note: With the way you attempted to twist what I said to "racism", you may have a future with the ADL or FOX news. It's a toss up.

Repeat after me:


The government is stealing from me, no one else.

The government is stealing from me, no one else.

The government is stealing from me, no one else.

The government is stealing from me, no one else.

The government is stealing from me, no one else.

The government is stealing from me, no one else.

The government is stealing from me, no one else.

The government is stealing from me, no one else.

The government is stealing from me, no one else.

 

[coyote_sprit]

"Illegal immigrants" are only one portion of our society collecting stolen money. So clearly to focus on them so much indicates some kind of racist tendencies, even if on a subconscious level.

A thread about illegal aliens receiving welfare that discusses illegal aliens receiving welfare? No fucking way.

 

[lynnf]

the power of "t"

"Illegal immigrants" are only one portion of our society collecting stolen money. So clearly to focus on them so much indicates some kind of racist tendencies, even if on a subconscious level.

what a bunch of BS.

aren't you missing a letter in your name, like a "t" between the f and r?

like this: poweroftreason

that is, unless you're a foreigner, and then it's perfectly understandable what you are about.

those that want to give the country away to foreigners are traitors.

lynn

 

[LibertyEagle]

The system will go bankrupt eventually. Until then there's nothing meaningful I can do. Nor should I feel obligated to.

So, your strategy is to sit back and let our country completely fall to shit and then you think that somehow a miracle is going to occur and everyone will buy into the non-aggression principle and we will all live happily ever after in anarchy heaven?

Okey dokey.

The Non-Aggression Principle applies to here and now, not your strange notion of "anarchy la la land."

WHO IS REACHING INTO YOUR POCKET AND STEALING FROM YOU?

Is it Jose? Struggling to feed his family?
Or is it Bob the Bureaucrat?

It's both actually.

And there you go again trying to dehumanize the enemy by using terms like "illegal alien."

Dictionaries are wonderful things.

alien

1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization (distinguished from citizen ).
2. a foreigner.

illegal

1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.

Now, put it together. ILLEGAL ALIENS. Yup, seems accurate.

 

[erowe1]

You get the handouts stopped to the illegal aliens and then we'll talk. But, not until then.

Stopping the handouts is the only issue here that we should be talking about to begin with. We don't have a problem with immigrants (legal or otherwise). We have a problem with handouts, which are just as wrong when they are given to white people whose families have lived in America for generations as they are when they're given to people of color who just got here.

Of course it's true that we can't have both open borders and a welfare state without breaking the bank. To do that is essentially to put a sign up to the 6 Billion people of the planet saying, "Come here and we'll pay you're way." But the answer to that big-government created problem isn't the implementation of a big-government solution, like requiring everybody to have government papers to show they're allowed to work here, or rounding up people who can't prove they're citizens according to a government definition and exiling them. The answer is to get rid of the big-government problem that created the mess to begin with, and nothing else.

 

[powerofreason]

I think this may be the one major issue that turns people off to taking a more in-depth look at Ron Paul and other issues that are important to the movement. Liberals are not going to join a movement that is at least perceived as being racist. If growing the movement is a priority, take the principled stand against all immigration laws.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I think this may be the one major issue that turns people off to taking a more in-depth look at Ron Paul and other issues that are important to the movement. Liberals are not going to join a movement that is at least perceived as being racist. If growing the movement is a priority, take the principled stand against all immigration laws.

You're the only one calling it racist. I'm quite curious as to why you insist on doing so.

You seem to be wanting to "grow" something entirely different than Ron Paul and if that is so, thanks anyway, but I want none.