Jerusalem 'Fallout' Updates....

[Swordsmyth]

Progressives and various media outlets placed the blame for the death of a Palestinian baby on Israeli Defense Forces, but a Palestinian doctor has since said he thinks tear gas had nothing to do with it.

But the Associated Press soon after reported that "Gaza health officials are casting doubt on initial claims that a 9-month-old baby died from Israeli tear gas fired during mass protests on the Gaza border with Israel."
"A medical doctor said Tuesday that the baby, Layla Ghaben, had a pre-existing medical condition and that he did not believe her death was caused by tear gas," the wire read. "He spoke on condition of anonymity because of he was not allowed to disclose medical information to the media."

More at: http://freebeacon.com/politics/medi...ian-child-doctor-died-pre-existing-condition/

 

[Raginfridus]

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[Swordsmyth]

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All sides are dirty.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

That doesn't make any sense, why take the baby when going to look for his mother? Why go looking at all? Why would he think her dentist appointment was at the border protest? Why was she at the protest if she was going to the dentist?

In any case somebody is taking children to be used as human shields and propaganda props:

People bring kids to protests all the time, even in Murica. Remember the kids at the End The Fed protests and other RP rallies and such? Pepperige Farm remembers. If people here had the courage to do some serious protesting and other action besides electioneering wanking here, maybe tyranny wouldn't have such a stranglehold 'round these parts.

 

[Swordsmyth]

People bring kids to protests all the time, even in Murica. Remember the kids at the End The Fed protests and other RP rallies and such? Pepperige Farm remembers. If people here had the courage to do some serious protesting and other action besides electioneering wanking here, maybe tyranny wouldn't have such a stranglehold 'round these parts.

The Israelis are infamous for killing people at these protests, it isn't exactly a good idea to bring children, unless you are planning on provoking the Israelis and then using your children for propaganda.

Both sides are dirty.

 

[charrob]

So I guess I'm a little confused. The Palestinians wanted East Jerusalem to be the Capitol of their new State. I think the idea was that the Israelis would have West Jerusalem to be their Capitol. Unfortunately it appears that the new U.S. Embassy compound straddles both sides of the armistice line and is located partially in East Jerusalem and West Jerusalem. Also I think in the 1980s the Israelis voted that both East and West Jerusalem should be theirs. Also I think East Jerusalem and the West Bank were part of Jordan and were stolen from Jordan in the 1967 war -- which is why East Jerusalem is filled mostly with Arabs. All that said, since the Palestinians were counting on East Jerusalem for their State Capitol, had the U.S. Embassy been located totally within West Jerusalem, would they still be upset? If so, why?

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[Swordsmyth]

All that said, since the Palestinians were counting on East Jerusalem for their State Capitol, had the U.S. Embassy been located totally within West Jerusalem, would they still be upset? If so, why?

Yes, because they want Jerusalem all for themselves, they want Israel all for themselves.
The only difference between the Palestinians and Israel is who has the power.

 

[charrob]

Yes, because they want Jerusalem all for themselves, they want Israel all for themselves.
The only difference between the Palestinians and Israel is who has the power.

Thanks.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Yes, because they want Jerusalem all for themselves, they want Israel Palestine all for themselves.
The only difference between the Palestinians and Israel is who has the power.

FIFY. "Israel" is the Palestinians' rightful homeland. Y'all zionists are just in denial of it-and don't like to recognize the ongoing ethnic cleansing your little apartheid State is responsible for.

 

[Swordsmyth]

FIFY. "Israel" is the Palestinians' rightful homeland. Y'all zionists are just in denial of it-and don't like to recognize the ongoing ethnic cleansing your little apartheid State is responsible for.

It is much more complicated than that and everyone involved has blood and dirt on their hands.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

It is much more complicated than that and everyone involved has blood and dirt on their hands.

But not everyone's grandchildren have as massive debts as our freedom-spreading regime.


For experts, how much of this cost is due to Israel-Arab conflict related blowbacks and how much of due to us having freedoms?



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[Ender]

FIFY. "Israel" is the Palestinians' rightful homeland. Y'all zionists are just in denial of it-and don't like to recognize the ongoing ethnic cleansing your little apartheid State is responsible for.

EXACTLY.

 

[Raginfridus]

Palestinians can rage all they want - the US is not going to stop enabling Israel (or other ME clients), and the Juice will not let go the clay.

What now? Practically speaking. In the real world. What are Palestinians gonna do about it? Zerging hardened borders is not going to accomplish their dweems. Voting can't accomplish them. What then? Let's get real; the holder of the dirt is the one with firepower. All talk of rights aside, in reality, practically speaking, Palestine isn't even real.

The situation is very simple. Its that simple.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

CNN Panel erupts over Ivanka Trump-rabbi meeting

https://youtu.be/UHEBRruprnI?t=598



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Some of media covers have started to cross the line.

 

[pao]

Seems like what they've been doing for the last few decades hasn't been working, could a totally peaceful Ghandi-type resistance be stronger and more effective or would they just be slaughtered?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Seems like what they've been doing for the last few decades hasn't been working, could a totally peaceful Ghandi-type resistance be stronger and more effective or would they just be slaughtered?

Slaughtered or just completely ineffective.
The only practical option is to accept the borders as they are.
In all probability the Mossad is behind much of the "opposition", it gives them a great excuse to continue killing Palestinians and taking land.

 

[Firestarter]

Progressives and various media outlets placed the blame for the death of a Palestinian baby on Israeli Defense Forces, but a Palestinian doctor has since said he thinks tear gas had nothing to do with it.

I had already read that (it was even in the Daily Mail article I linked to)...

So your saying that it was a mere coincidence that the baby inhaled large amounts of tear gas and then suddenly died because of something else?

I've seen a lot of those kind of posts in the Health section, by big pharma supporting forum members.
Maybe you shouldn't believe everything the "doctors" tell...

 

[charrob]

FIFY. "Israel" is the Palestinians' rightful homeland. Y'all zionists are just in denial of it-and don't like to recognize the ongoing ethnic cleansing your little apartheid State is responsible for.

I think the Israelis are absolute monsters. The only thing I questioned was what the Palestinians understood about a 2 state solution: I had thought that the Palestinians accepted that East Jerusalem would be their Capitol, and that West Jerusalem would be the Israeli Capitol. Swordsmyth seems to indicate the Palestinians believed both East and West Jerusalem should be theirs. Which at this point in history defies logic and common sense.

That said, of course the land of their forefathers is their rightful homeland. Unfortunately the invaders from mostly Eastern Europe and Russia starting in 1948 are not going to give all that land back so there needs to be some compromise. A 2-state solution had been the accepted compromise for years with the Palestinians getting the West Bank along with East Jerusalem as its Capitol and Gaza. But when one looks at the map of the West Bank at this point, it becomes quite clear the Israelis will never give that back and with East Jerusalem now accepted to be no longer set aside for a future Palestinian Capitol, it's obvious the 2-state solution is now impossible. Which means it should be one state with everyone having equal rights and the ability to vote. Which of course the monstrous racist Israelis will never allow.

 

[Firestarter]

I think the Israelis are absolute monsters.

Just like in other dictatorships (calling themselves democratic), it's not all Israelis.
I believe that most people in the "developed" world don't support genocide, but unfortunately we let the worst of the worst scumbags dictate "us" what to do (and even think?).

I expect that most people won’t agree with me that there’s almost no difference between the Israeli army killing peaceful Palestinian protesters, or doctors and journalists...


On Monday, Israeli forces shot “Canadian” doctor Tarek Loubani in the leg, as he treated wounded Palestinians, and killed his assistant, Musa Abuhassanin.
Loubani said both he and his assistant were wearing distinctive coloured vests that signify their status as medical workers.

Loubani said:

I am very seasoned about not being shot at. I know where to stand. I know where to be. I know how not to get shot.

There was relatively heavy fire that was going on. He [the assistant] was wearing a high visibility jacket. It was clearly marked. He was shot in the chest.
They couldn’t remove him. They couldn’t recover him for about 30 minutes until finally they dragged him to a blind spot and then dragged him down a hill and took him to the hospital in a civilian vehicle. He died before he got to the hospital.

According to the World Health Organisation, there have been 229 attacks against medical personnel treating wounded Palestinians in Gaza since 30 March.

On Tuesday, the UN’s Nickolay Mladenov told the Security Council that immediate action must be taken to improve the humanitarian condition in Palestine:

Starting tomorrow, the United Nations, together with international partners will need to focus and redouble efforts to implement projects that will have an immediate impact on improving the electricity, water and health situation as a matter of urgency.

According to AIDA, a group of international non-governmental organisations operating in Palestine, hospitals in Gaza are “unable to deal with the vast number of injured as a result of a decade-long blockade and insufficient electricity and medical supplies and equipment”.
AIDA added:

Due to the near impossibility of obtaining a medical referral for surgery outside the Gaza Strip, 21 Palestinians injured during demonstrations have so far had limb amputations since 30 March.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-forces-shoot-canadian-doctor-gaza-1157047681

 

[Swordsmyth]

I had already read that (it was even in the Daily Mail article I linked to)...

So your saying that it was a mere coincidence that the baby inhaled large amounts of tear gas and then suddenly died because of something else?

I've seen a lot of those kind of posts in the Health section, by big pharma supporting forum members.
Maybe you shouldn't believe everything the "doctors" tell...

I'm saying they took a dying baby so they could blame its death on the Israelis, unfortunately for them a PALESTINIAN doctor exposed them.

I do not take Israel's side on this but neither side can be trusted.