Japanese nuclear plant may only have a few hours....

[devil21]

Shouldn't steam also indicate that the water was relatively close to the surface/air? I don't know how high the water table is there but even if its only a couple feet below the surface the temperature of the earth itself would soak up the energy in the water vapor turning it back into plain old water.

From my reading, the water table is very close to the surface there but I don't have specific numbers. I'm not following your reasoning on the rest of your post though.

Well..
Experience has shown that the 'Elite" do not panic, but DO cause others to panic...
That is the why they are called Elite.

They are sitting in the catbird seat, in other words.

So Alucard's question is a very sound one and leads to interesting speculation, such as: Is this real or is this typical media fear promotion? that is the question, to my mind.

I haven't seen much media reporting overall about this in years, particularly not from msm sources enough to consider any fear promotion. Seems most folks have forgotten about Fukushima entirely. Pretty poor fear promotion if that's the goal. An article here and there on CNN maybe but the status is being reported mostly by alternative sites and bloggers.

 

[Zippyjuan]

The title of this thread, started March 11, 2011 is, "Japanese nuclear plant may only have a few hours."

'Nuff said.

A "few hours" is up. Nothing went "boom".

 

[kahless]

A "few hours" is up. Nothing went "boom".

It did in fact go boom and spread radiation into the ocean and lower levels all over the globe, among other things. People have too much faith in the news media. Once a story is out of the news cycle or if they don't report it does not mean everything is wonderful.

 

[devil21]

What could go wrong?

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/08/14-6

Sure hope TEPCO knows what's doing....

 

[Zippyjuan]

It did in fact go boom and spread radiation into the ocean and lower levels all over the globe, among other things. People have too much faith in the news media. Once a story is out of the news cycle or if they don't report it does not mean everything is wonderful.

Link to spike in radiation levels around the globe?

 

[kahless]

Link to spike in radiation levels around the globe?

Have not been reading this thread? There were a multitude of links posted in this thread including the Austrian models that were tracking fallout across the US, contamination of seaweed off the coast of California, radioactive rain in various parts of North America, etc.



http://cerea.enpc.fr/en/fukushima.html

Seach "Fukushima explosion" in youtube. There are many videos showing the explosions and subsequent mushroom cloud when the reactors went "boom".

There were links to IAEA and Fairwinds.org in this thread.
http://www.iaea.org/blog/feeds/?p=4...aDailyPressReview+(IAEA+ Daily+Press+Review)
http://fairewinds.org/

A simple google search turns up more.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...30/AFfnQBHC_story.html?wprss=rss_asia-pacific
As Fukushima fallout circles the globe, nuclear sleuths sift it for clues Fallout from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant has landed on 30 exquisitely sensitive detectors on desolate Arctic islands, on the tops of tall buildings and in other windy locales across the Northern Hemisphere, according to the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization, which maintains those sensors. Sniffing the air like silent sentinels, the 63 shack-like stations (with 17 more planned) are capturing tiny radioactive particles in filters much like those on a home furnace.

Fukushima fallout may be causing illness in American babies: Study
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ausing-illness-american-babies-165531579.html

 

[Carson]

Have not been reading this thread? There were a multitude of links posted in this thread including the Austrian models that were tracking fallout across the US, contamination of seaweed off the coast of California, radioactive rain in various parts of North America, etc.



http://cerea.enpc.fr/en/fukushima.html



Seach "Fukushima explosion" in youtube. There are many videos showing the explosions and subsequent mushroom cloud when the reactors went "boom".

There were links to IAEA and Fairwinds.org in this thread.
http://www.iaea.org/blog/feeds/?p=4...aDailyPressReview+(IAEA+ Daily+Press+Review)
http://fairewinds.org/

A simple google search turns up more.



Fukushima fallout may be causing illness in American babies: Study
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ausing-illness-american-babies-165531579.html

Nice little you tube of the dispersion.

I always pictured it more as continuing it's travel eastward with the jet stream. I would think a certain percentage would rain out and add a certain amount of temperature rise. I'm thinking this is a bad place to do that in respect that it may cause a change in weather.

Here is a picture of the basic wind currents.

http://mrmusselman.edublogs.org/files/2010/12/global-winds-diagram-and-notes_4-1pve4ph.jpeg

I'm thinking not only are we messing with those currents but we also just had the Gulf oil spill that I picture would have deposited a lot of oil condensing out of the atmosphere and raining out up through the heartland. I'm not sure if it could easily be detected but I picture it happening and effecting drainage and the water absorption for a time.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

A long "few hours."

 

[Zippyjuan]

Have not been reading this thread? There were a multitude of links posted in this thread including the Austrian models that were tracking fallout across the US, contamination of seaweed off the coast of California, radioactive rain in various parts of North America, etc.



http://cerea.enpc.fr/en/fukushima.html

Seach "Fukushima explosion" in youtube. There are many videos showing the explosions and subsequent mushroom cloud when the reactors went "boom".

There were links to IAEA and Fairwinds.org in this thread.
http://www.iaea.org/blog/feeds/?p=4...aDailyPressReview+(IAEA+ Daily+Press+Review)
http://fairewinds.org/

A simple google search turns up more.



Fukushima fallout may be causing illness in American babies: Study
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ausing-illness-american-babies-165531579.html

From the link to the "cloud":

The simulation was performed with a specific version of the numerical atmospheric chemistry and transport model Polyphemus/Polair3D. The parametrisations used for the transport and physical removal of the radionuclides are described in [6,7,8,9].

The source term has been estimated by the assimilation of activity concentrations in the air as well as activity deposited on the ground [1,2].

The magnitude of the deposition field is uncertain and the simulated values of deposited radionuclides could be significantly different from the actual deposition. In particular, the source term remains uncertain, athough its uncertainty has been narrowed down thanks to data assimilation.

Levels outside Japan were little different from background levels. (note the light blue colors used in the simulation indicating very low levels with the orange and red ones they show for levels after Chernobyl at the same link).

http://cerea.enpc.fr/en/fukushima.html

 

[kahless]

Not really trying here but there is a multitude of information out there about US fallout from Fukushima.

http://healthyliving.msn.com/blogs/daily-apple-blog-post?post=7e99ec99-b07c-4784-937c-b71c94fa6788

The explosions produced the radioisotope iodine-131, which floated east over the Pacific Ocean and landed through precipitation on West Coast states as well as other Pacific countries. The levels of that isotope were measured in levels hundreds of times greater than supposedly safe levels. Radioactive iodine accumulates in human thyroid glands, and, in babies and fetuses, the radiation can stunt the growth and development of both the body and the brain. That condition is congenital hypothyroidism (which, luckily, is treatable when and if detected early).

Fukushima fallout appeared to affect all areas of the U.S., and was especially large in some, mostly in the western part of the nation, the study said. Even worse, other conditions affecting babies born in that time frame may have been caused or worsened by Fukushima, the researchers said.

Fukushima fallout may be causing illness in American babies: Study
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ausing-illness-american-babies-165531579.html

2,110 percent increase in iodine-131 on US West Coast following Fukushima linked to hypothyroidism
http://www.prisonplanet.com/study-f...-babies-on-west-coast-and-in-other-areas.html

Officials: Radiation From Japan Reaches Pennsylvania
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...n-reaches-pennsylvania-poses-no-health-risks/

level of radiation in the Limerick sample was 30 times the recommended safe drinking standard

Some where back in this thread there is a link about miscarriages related to fallout at higher levels in a PA reservoir.

Peer Reviewed Study Shows 14,000 U.S. Deaths from Fukushima -RT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdow_6pN6jY 2 min mark

 

[devil21]

A "few hours" is up. Nothing went "boom".

A long "few hours."

Perhaps you should reread the original post that the thread title was based on.

Putting it in proper context, the thread title would be "Japanese nuclear plant may only have a few hours until meltdowns start."

Meltdowns started. So you were saying?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Iodine 131 only has a half life of eight days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131

From the Pennsylvania article:

Governor Tom Corbett confirmed Monday that rainwater samples taken Friday at the state’s nuclear power plants – including the Limerick plant in Montgomery County – showed elevated levels of radioactive Iodine, likely from Japan.

Source could have also been the local nuclear power plants.

but still 25 times below a level of concern, officials said.

In response, Corbett ordered the testing of drinking water samples from six locations across the state and officials say they found no radioactive Iodine.

 

[KingNothing]

 

[KingNothing]

I've found that the dumber a person is, the more they fear nuclear power.

 

[devil21]

Iodine 131 only has a half life of eight days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131

Take some and let us know how you feel 8 days later.

 

[KingNothing]

It's a shame that what most people know about nuclear power and radiation comes from a Jane Fonda movie.

 

[kahless]

It is a shame that those that blindly support the operators failures have to resort to ad hominem attacks and spout industry propaganda to provide cover for the industries failures. Nuclear power would not be getting such bad press if the operators followed scientific method and their own damn safety protocols.

It is a shame that the protesters who were against building the plant there due to the Tsunami threat lost out to the supporters.

It is a shame that statists love nuclear power. This may eventually change with newer technologies but currently they cannot be built without taxpayer funding and when the current technology is no longer profitable they will require a tax base to maintain them. So I nor my descendents will ever live freely due to perpetual tax servitude required by the nuclear power industry.

 

[kahless]

"but still 25 times below a level of concern, officials said. "

"level of radiation in the Limerick sample was 30 times the recommended safe drinking standard ".

A bit contradictory. I remember some articles posted earlier in the thread that they were raising the safety limits to accommodate the increased levels from Fukushima.

 

[Zippyjuan]

More on Philly:
http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-12/news/29410206_1_drinking-water-water-department-iodine-131

Authorities are investigating why samples of drinking water from three sites in Philadelphia had a higher level of radioactive iodine than water in other cities.

Levels of Iodine-131 found April 4 in samples from treated water at the Queen Lane, Baxter, and Belmont plants were considered within federal safety standards, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.

The most common sources of Iodine-131 are nuclear reactors and weapons, but doctors also use it to diagnose and treat thyroid illnesses.

Of 69 sites it tested nationally, the EPA found the highest amount of radioactive iodine at the city's Queen Lane Treatment Plant in East Falls.

The city is working with the EPA and the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection to determine the cause.

Chris Crockett, acting deputy commissioner for planning and environmental services for Philadelphia's water department, said he was not sure how long it would take to determine the reason for the relatively high levels.

The city also is adding carbon at the Queen Lane plant. Carbon works to absorb contaminants in drinking water and is removed during filtration.

The EPA released the April 4 results quicker than usual because of the ongoing problems with damaged nuclear reactors in Japan. However, Philadelphia's water department recently received data showing high levels of Iodine-131 in water in August, long before the tsunami, suggesting that Japan may not be the source.

 

[kahless]

More on Philly:
http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-12/news/29410206_1_drinking-water-water-department-iodine-131

So take Philly out the equation then which is pretty insignificant when you look at it.