January 7, 2012 NH Debate - OFFICIAL Thread

Romney has always been the one pushed for the nomination. When only he and Ron are left I think Mitt will look foolish under pressure attacked by Ron.
 
NEPatriot said:
So sick of this. I despise the media. I DESPISE them.
In the second segment Ron Paul started nailing every answer. He was on fire. He was the only candidate that doesn't sound like a moronic cyborg answering questions. So the media, like always, just completely starts ignoring him.

Ron Paul almost got a three way tie for first in Iowa. He's polling second in New Hampshire. He should have been given a LOT more time. Once he started nailing the questions and completely TAKING CONTROL of the entire debate they black him out. They started giving him 30 seconds per 30 minutes for the last hour of that debate.

Absolutely despicable. Journalists are the scum of the American people!

If Ron Paul was given fair time he would be #1 in the polls and these scoundrels know it.
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Ron had the 3rd most time behind Santorum and then Romney just had a ton of time. I thought until the last half hour Ron got a good amount of time to speak. Most people only watch these things for the first hour anyway. I also thought that this was one of Ron's top 2 debates. His answers were good. He deflected the 3rd party and newsletter questions back into sound positions. He attacked Santorum, sternly but politely told Romney off when he interrupted Ron, and absolutely destroyed Newt in his exchange over calling Newt a chickenhawk. Newt claiming that he shouldn't have had to be drafted because he had a wife and kid. Most of our military leave behind spouses and children when they go to war. Paul's response - "I had a wife and two children when I was drafted, and I went." Newt is sliding, Santorum's siding with big labor will go over absolutely horribly in South Carolina. Paul is in line to finish a strong second in NH -then finish beating down Newt and Santorum in South Carolina. After that its Paul vs. Romney. Paul will congregate the anti-Romney vote.
 
There were three points I loved. One was Paul saying that he was married with two kids and went to serve in the air force. Second was Mitt telling George S to ask Paul as he was the constitutionalist (but it may have been a diss as the question was stupid). Third was Paul telling Santorum to shut up as a grown-up was talking.
 
JuicyG said:
"I had 2 kids and I still went". wow He just knocked out Gingrich.
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That was so good and it was the way Ron said it. He butted in and VERY seriously said " I just need to say one thing! I had a wife and TWO kids, and I went." That was all he said. The look on Newt's face was priceless! His arrogance just ran right off of it.
 
Hoax said:
No, you really don't. It means alot of people lose alot of money and alot of people lose jobs. But it is necessary for getting the economy back on track. Without getting rid of malinvestment, no sustained new growth can be achieved.
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This

I wish he would STOP saying that we need to liquidate the debt. Yes, it's necessary, but it's not what people want to hear. It's like having to have a very serious surgery.
 
A new GOP is emerging that has four clear quadrants---big-business establishment moderate (Gingrich, Romney), evangelical/social conservatives (Santorum, Perry), libertarian populists (Paul, anti-war Tea party), and independent conservatives (more secular, pro war, some Tea partiers). They each seem to be breaking down into clean 25% brackets, hence Romney's famous 25-30% ceiling, and Paul's mid-twenties showing in polls and in IA.

The independents are the swing vote, and while they are not sold on Paul, they definitely are tired of Romney moderates---they are the main group that has jumped from Bachmann to Perry, Cain and Gingrich. The Christian conservatives also detest Romney, but do not have a settled leader the way libertarians have in Paul. Paul just has to shave enough evangelicals, along with swing conservatives to build a 40% voting base, which should be enough to win most contests going forward.
 
For those questioning why Ron didn't attack Romney..

@alexcast Alex Castellanos
why did no one take romney on tonight? you don't shoot at the king, unless you can bring him down. too dangerous. they smell a winner.
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Just because the media refuses to acknowledge the soundness of Ron's strategy doesn't mean it isn't sound. The "king" will be taken down when the time is right and Ron is the only option left for the 70% of "not-Romney" voters in the GOP :cool:
 
Also, to elaborate a little further, I'd give Dr. Paul a 8.5 out of 10 in terms of scoring this debate. I believe Dr. Paul and Romney won this debate. Of course, I think Romney was pathetic as usual, but to the average person watching, including several people I have talked to here, they all thought that Paul and Romney did the best.
An interesting thing about the debate was at the end when the panel was giving their opinions, and I believe it might have possibly been Jonathan Karl who said something to the effect that Dr. Paul has been a one-man wrecking crew this primary season. We were laughing here, because he is kind of right, Paul has taken on Perry, Gingrich, and Santorum in some brutal TV ads - probably the best of the primary season.
 
I do think Ron Paul did a pretty good job, despite the media bias. I was expecially angry when the candidates were asked on foreign policy and after several minutes of discussion, they finally let Ron Paul speak, and after he does speak, Santorum blurts out fear-mongering Iran crap and then they cut to break without a chance for Ron Paul to reply. It's amazing how low the media can go. I was infuriated. I was so mad that in fact it came to a surprise to me that he wasn't angry and didn't even ask for a chance to reply after the break. Ron Paul did a terrific job within the perameters that the media forced him to work with, but I really think he should be more aggressive and intercede within the debate and actively fight the media black out during the debate.

And I thought it was hilarious when in the end where they asked the candidates what they'd do on a Saturday, and Gingrich said something to the lines of, "I'd watch the college championship basketball game -- I mean -- football game." He had to have made that up.
 
WD-NY said:
For those questioning why Ron didn't attack Romney..



Just because the media refuses to acknowledge the soundness of Ron's strategy doesn't mean it isn't sound. The "king" will be taken down when the time is right and Ron is the only option left for the 70% of "not-Romney" voters in the GOP :cool:
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It's risky. If it comes down to that, it'll come down to which bloc is bigger, the anti-Romney vote or the anti-Paul vote.
 
hmmmm. from a New Hampshire POV, Paul secured second place as Cantonese-Huntsman shot himself in the face. As far as NC, Romney, Gingrich, and Sanctitorum scored points for Roe v Wade and the 'no Adam and Steve' dealio....(IMO)
 
pacelli said:
wow that media "analyst" panel wasn't biased or anything... they took 20 minutes away from the debate time just to have every single "analyst" suggest that Mitt is the front runner and is basically going to get the nomination.
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Yeah, isn't that amazing? All it took to decide is the Iowa Caucus -- you know, the same one that would have been totally discredited if Ron Paul had won it.
 
I gotta buddy in Portland who just called me from a German social club to tell me he has both a senior Lib and a senior Conservative voting for Paul.
 
pacelli said:
wow that media "analyst" panel wasn't biased or anything... they took 20 minutes away from the debate time just to have every single "analyst" suggest that Mitt is the front runner and is basically going to get the nomination.
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At least we didn't have to hear Diane Sawyer speak anymore.
 
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