Jane Roe of Roe vs Wade Jan 22 announcement

[jmarinara]

If she were going to support a candidate, does anyone else have an opinion which candidate she would likely support?

Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson all come to mind only because they are the ones the bought and paid for pro-life community keeps lying to us about being pro-life. She supported Brownback for heaven's sake, a do nothing liar on the pro-life issue, so why wouldn't she support any of the three stooges I mentioned above?

Of course, I admit I could be wrong. She very well could be supporting Ron Paul, and as a pro-lifer, she should! I hope she does. I just don't think it will mean a blessed thing in adding one more vote to the tally or one more delegate to the convention.

 

[Carole]

That is certainly possible. Sadly, MSM seems to have nine lives and is impervious to anything but their own agendas.

 

[gracebkr]

omg, what a flip-flopper.

LMAO, who Roe? I was thinking the same thing, only not that funny. I was like, "uh, are serious, it only took 40 years and millions of abortions before you came to this conclusion?"

 

[jmarinara]

That I must agree with you on. Most people would NOT know what to do with freedom would they even have it. Its my belief that most people would rather be led, and be told what is true or false. I wrote an article about Liberty at Nolan Chart about this very thing. http://www.nolanchart.com/author83.html

Oh, yeah...sorry about the armchair quarterback thing....my bad. Looking at your posts a little more objectively, I must tend to agree with your points...But I try to keep my head up and not get discouraged, because then I just get depressed.

No worries my friend, we are all friends here.

I'm just on a mission to get this movement to face reality and try to change it before it is too late.

And don't get depressed, get mad. Get educated. Get even. Let it motivate you. I am making it a point to add an agenda of freedom to my son's homeschooling. I'm also making it a point to speak my mind anywhere and everywhere that this anti-american garbage that most people spew is articulated. It's time for americans to be american.

We've been losing. Let that motivate you to pick yourself up off the mat and fight!!! FIGHT!! Your life, fortune, and sacred honor literally depend on it.

 

[gracebkr]

Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson all come to mind only because they are the ones the bought and paid for pro-life community keeps lying to us about being pro-life. She supported Brownback for heaven's sake, a do nothing liar on the pro-life issue, so why wouldn't she support any of the three stooges I mentioned above?

Of course, I admit I could be wrong. She very well could be supporting Ron Paul, and as a pro-lifer, she should! I hope she does. I just don't think it will mean a blessed thing in adding one more vote to the tally or one more delegate to the convention.

Hey, have you ever looked into Indiana's eugenics programs. I suggest you check out the resolution of 2007

Whereas, Eugenics legislation devalued the sanctity of human life, placed claims of scientific benefit over human dignity, and denied the inalienable rights recognized by our Founding Fathers;

Whereas, Eugenics legislation targeted the most vulnerable among us, including the poor and racial minorities, wrongly dehumanizing them under the authority of law and for the claimed purpose of public health and the good of the people;

the resolution:

SECTION 1. That the Indiana General Assembly hereby expresses its regret over Indiana's role in the eugenics movement in this country and the injustices done under eugenic laws.
SECTION 2. That the General Assembly urges the citizens of Indiana to become familiar with the history of the eugenics movement in the belief that a more educated and enlightened population will repudiate the many laws passed in the name of eugenics and reject any such laws in the future.

I did an argumentative paper on this an even having abortions based on genetic screening.


here's the link in it's entirety

http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2007/SRESP/SC0091.html

 

[wildflower]

Same here. Most girls my age were pro-choice while young and single. It was a stigma to be pro-life. I didn't become pro-life until I had to really think about life while I was creating one myself.

Amen to that! I used to be a tree hugging, pro-choice, longhair....now I'm pro-life and I have short hair....still like trees though.

Thanks, I'm not alone I guess. Over the years, I've changed on a few positions, abortion being one of them.

I can't believe anyone is saying "flip flopping" - she changed her mind on abortion, people! It happens!!! I think her story is fantastic.

 

[JohnnyWrath]

We don't know what we will do, or what we can do, if we quit....have Rudy and Fred quit yet? I don't want to quit even after this election is over....I now see there are untold numbers of people in this country who believe as I do, and we have effected this election and this countries politics already in a way I never thought we could....I am more inspired than ever.

 

[BigRedBrent]

This would be huge.

OMG, this would be bigger then huge, it would be historic.


I hope this is not just a rumor. No one likes being toyed with.

 

[gracebkr]

Thanks, I'm not alone I guess. Over the years, I've changed on a few positions, abortion being one of them.

I can't believe anyone is saying "flip flopping" - she changed her mind on abortion, people! It happens!!! I think her story is fantastic.

When I was pregnant with my second child, it was like 3 months after my first and I of course being all hormonal was unusually scared. You know, I was really affected by my hormones, but I went to my aunt and brought up an abortion, God forgive me, and she told me, because I was concerned about my moral duty to God, she told me that God would not have given me the choice if it was wrong. And thanks to the stupidest comment I ever heard, my fear ended and I trusted God. I mean, we all decide eventually if it is okay and many of us like the idea of "choice", but we are forgetting who doesn't have a choice and that is the problem.

 

[jmarinara]

Hey, have you ever looked into Indiana's eugenics programs. I suggest you check out the resolution of 2007

Why did you post this?

 

[Carole]

I do not consider her story exactly amazing. I think that implies she was heroic in a sense.

Surely, however, her story is remarkable for the consequences that followed for America.

I am sure she, as most people do as they grow wiser with age and experience, had a major change in her thinking as time went by as evidenced by her transformation. (Just read the article about her and must say it is remarkable how her conversion actually occurred.)

Mostly though, with such a complete transformation, she must have suffered great emotional travail and guilt. Unfortunately, we all must live with the consequences of our behavior.

I am glad for her that she seems to have finally found her peace and is coming to terms with earlier decisions in her life. It is sad that her entire life seems a mess and difficult. The best thing she could do now would be to speak out publicly in support of a reversal of Roe vs Wade.

I wish her well.

 

[jmarinara]

OMG, this would be bigger then huge, it would be historic.

Yes, it would be nice to be the candidate that she endorses this election, but goodness sake she endorses a candidate every election so why would this be historic by any means?

And please tell me why this would be huge? Honestly, what do you expect to have happen? Are throngs of pro-lifers finally going to see the light and have the Faux News scales fall from their eyes and flock to Dr. Paul?

Come on guys. If she endorses Paul, wonderful. Welcome to the movement, it's a tool in the tool box. But do you seriously expect it to change something?

Let me tell you the endorsements I'll get excited about.

Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
George Bush (either one)
Any of the other "front runner" candidates on the GOP side.
I suppose after some thought, I might add a few more in there, but honestly, that's about it.

Again ask yourself, what can you realistically expect have happen if she endorses Paul?

 

[jmarinara]

The best thing she could do now would be to speak out publicly in support of a reversal of Roe vs Wade.

She has. In fact she even brought a lawsuit against Planned Parenthood two years ago saying that she was duped, lied to, and told to lie about her situation during the original Roe v. Wade case. The only thing she stated that she wanted in the case was for the supreme court to hear her case and for the action to be overturned on the basis of false pre-tense. Sadly, her case didn't make it past the first federal court level.

She has been a wonderful advocate for the pre-born and I pray God will bless her ministry for those slaughtered daily.

I just don't think her endorsement will mean a darned thing to Joe six pack or your average Ned Flanders (like me .

 

[Molly1]

We don't know what we will do, or what we can do, if we quit....have Rudy and Fred quit yet? I don't want to quit even after this election is over....I now see there are untold numbers of people in this country who believe as I do, and we have effected this election and this countries politics already in a way I never thought we could....I am more inspired than ever.

Good. I hope you consider running for office as a Ron Paul Republican/Democrat/Libertarian/Constitutionalist/whatever.

We could change the Democratic party too while we're at it.

 

[Carole]

I agree with the person earlier who refuted the moniker of "flip-flopper" in rgard to "Roe". I agree that a private individual should not be labeled so. A politician who is putting himself out there for election can be labeled justly for flip-flopping, because he or she needs to justify why they changed their mind. In Romney's case, he did not explain himself, he merely said he had not actually done anything as governor to support abortion. Well, neither did he do the opposite. He could have been truthful then or now, but not both.

This woman obviously had a serious transformation late in life and now works for her new beliefs. She alone knows her own sadness and guilt for the consequences of her abortion decision earlier in her life. Unfortunately, her decision has had a profound effect on millions of lives.

A public figgure, a politician, who runs for office and the votes of Americans has a great deal more explaining to do when he changes his mind. He needs to explain clearly what brought about the change in his philosophy.

 

[RoyalTenenbaum]

One question: Who was Wade, in Roe vs. Wade?

Henry Wade was the District Attorney of Dallas County when the Roe v Wade lawsuit was filed. The plaintiffs sought, among other forms of relief, an injunction prohibiting enforcement of the laws against abortion, and so they sued the top law enforcer.

 

[wildflower]

When I was pregnant with my second child, it was like 3 months after my first and I of course being all hormonal was unusually scared. You know, I was really affected by my hormones, but I went to my aunt and brought up an abortion, God forgive me, and she told me, because I was concerned about my moral duty to God, she told me that God would not have given me the choice if it was wrong. And thanks to the stupidest comment I ever heard, my fear ended and I trusted God. I mean, we all decide eventually if it is okay and many of us like the idea of "choice", but we are forgetting who doesn't have a choice and that is the problem.

I'm so glad you trusted God. Kind of off topic, but I can tell you an awesome story about what happened to my sister. She and her husband tried for 7 years to get pregnant, and nothing worked. They went through every procedure available and spent a lot of money but still could not conceive. She wanted a baby more than anything, and she put that desire above all else.... and because of that, for years she was angry and bitter. Because her friends were having babies, but she and her husband couldn't, so she was a really unhappy person during that time. This was before she became a Christian.

What finally happened was, she realized she was putting having a baby above EVERYTHING, even God. And she realized that she was being bitter and jealous and only thinking of her own desires. So, once she had this realization, her heart changed and she decided to come to God. I took her to church, and afterwards she talked to the pastor's wife and started crying and that day became a Christian. I was there when she said the prayer, and the pastor's wife asked her, "Will you still follow God even if he doesn't give you a baby?" So that was the moment that she had to make the decision to not put her desire for a baby first, above everything. So she said, "yes" - and then the pastor's wife led her in the sinner's prayer and we all 3 prayed that God would give her a baby.

2 weeks later she conceived. After 7 years of trying. The way it happened was through a procedure, but still, it was amazing because she had tried that procedure 3 times before and it didn't work before that point. Anyway, she has a healthy, beautiful daughter now who is 3 years old. When my sister hears about abortion, it is sick to her, because she knows how many women try to have a baby and can't have one. To her, she can't even fathom how someone can throw away a gift from God.

I just thought I'd share that, because her story is amazing too.

 

[Carole]

Jmarinara,

It is quite possible his numbers were higher. Try to remember that vote fraud and dirty tricks are rampant in this country. Only in recent years has it become at all publicized thanks to the same press which owns the voting systems.

In additon to the blackout of the media we must deal with the counting of votes.

You must try to stop viewing the obstacles before us as our demise. Try to meet obstacles head on and keep going. The reward is not the end of the journey, but rather the journey itself. If every time we met an obstacle, we gave up, there would be no point in beginning the journey. Look at Dr. Paul, at how well he deals with all the obstacles. He would never quit unless he had no money to finish. He keeps going like the energizer bunny and when the MSM tries to thwart him, he finds other ways to get his message out. Remember the Iowa Straw Poll debate? He is steadfast in his committment to the message and he understands that people are working hard for him, too. He works to be worthy of our trust.

Nevada, by the way, was merely a beauty contest vote for the MSM. Behind the scenes at the caucus, Ron Paul got a lot of delegates and may have more than Romney. The "big" vote win for Romney is deceptive. Go to the Nevada site and read up on it.

Tomorrow, in Louisiana, it appears he will do well with the delegates also. We have to wait and see, but I was reading on the Louisiana thread and they seem very well organized. At the same time the other candidates are frantically scurrying about calling people to be delegates. Cross your fingers and let us see how it turns out.

At every turn, we have had to deal with adversity, and it will continue because people who love power are loathe to give it up. Fighting against this adversity will only make us stronger for the next battle. Be of good cheer. We all will do our best.

 

[gharalam]

8 - 10% consistently in every single primary except Nevada. Some states have been even lower.

This is a fact. I'm not optimistic. I'm not pessimistic. I am factual. We are losing. We are failing.

The movement can be real all it wants, but the fact is that it is too small. We can't blame it on money, we've had more money than we know what to do with. We can't blame it on volunteers, because, well, look around this forum. We can't blame it on the candidate, because he is awesome. We can blame it on the simple fact that freedom isn't popular. Period.

8 - 10% CONSISTENTLY. CONSISTENTLY It is a fact. It is not emotion like optimism or pessimism. It is fact. Learn from it, deal with it, and maybe we'll get somewhere.

Yes you are factual and yes you are pessimistic. There is a difference between being very brash and then presenting the facts in a very direct but convincing manner. As a manager you gather the most trust and support by working along your workers instead of leading over them. Not shouting at everyone telling us we are failing and we are doomed and suck.

Yes Im sure many of us here now we need something new and fresh to garner support. Why not post in the grassroots forum a Idea?

 

[Carole]

Johnny,

I think abortion seems the one issue that is a black or white decision-not grey. I only say that because it involves life or death. There is no in between compromise in that. It is either life or it is death.

I personally do not condemn those who choose death, since it is not my place to judge another, though I am pro-life except to save a woman's life which would be very rare.

In a woman's situation in Ohio, she could end up having to choose other methods to prevent pregnancy, rather than have the option of abortion. Or she might have to travel to another state where it is legal. But I should think it the better decision to use birth control in one of its many facets so that, hopefully, if she does not wish to have a child, then she does not become pregnant.

My bigger problem with abortion is that so many young girls, younger and younger, become pregant. It is so pervasive in our society. Then they drop out of school, or even toss the baby into the garbage. I think I am much more concerned with the young girls, than adults who are capable of making more considered choices for themselves, which do not concern me. I just do not want a blanket federal law such as Roe vs Wade; I prefer to leave it to the states. some states will go one direction and some the other.

I do not agree with abortion, but I certainly would not judge the woman who is pro-choice. My own consideration is that the child has NO choice and is a victim of what I feel is a crime. I do not feel the same about the choice of contraception, as to me it is the more humane choice.

What I do find truly horrible, is abortion in the latter stages. Partial-birth abortion is to me, the most heinous crime imaginable. The prodcedure is abominable and the child feels pain as it is being destroyed. It made me physically ill to read about, learn about this procedure.