Jane Roe of Roe vs Wade Jan 22 announcement

[Carole]

If anyone hears any more about this Roe vs Wade news, please post it here. I would like to know what is happening , if anything.

Thanks.

 

[jmarinara]

Yes you are factual and yes you are pessimistic.

No pessimism is saying that there is no hope and we should all give up. There are still elections coming, there is a chance, there is an oppertunity. There is hope. BUT WE MUST CHANGE TACTICS. A consistent 8 - 10% means our tactics aren't working.

There is a difference between being very brash and then presenting the facts in a very direct but convincing manner.

What, my quoting of the facts isn't convincing for you that we are losing and what we are doing isn't working? Really? Well then try this link: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#R

As a manager you gather the most trust and support by working along your workers instead of leading over them.

And who said I was a manager? I certainly didn't and I don't put myself up as one. I'm a small piece of this puzzle, a face in the crowd, I just happen to passionately believe what I'm saying.

Not shouting at everyone telling us we are failing and we are doomed and suck.

No, if you read some the baseless optimism around here, apparently some people need to be reminded that we are failing.

And, we are doomed, both this country and campaign, if we don't win.

I never said anyone sucked, this forum proves that most of us really care, really are trying, really want to make this happen. Ron is a great candidate. The ideas are awesome. No one sucks except the freedom hating opponents we have.

And I'm not shouting.

Yes Im sure many of us here now we need something new and fresh to garner support. Why not post in the grassroots forum a Idea?

I posted my idea here, namely, deal with reality. Understand that you are losing. Stop thinking about what could be or might be, but what is and what will continue unless changes are made. Most importantly, stop believing that freedom is popular because if it was, we'd be winning.

Find a way around the media. The internet isn't enough. The blimp is having little to no effect.

These are ideas, or at least the beginnings of ideas. How to execute these ideas is not my forte I admit, but I'll continue to give it thought.

 

[Geckomeister]

I have to say jmarinara that I agree with you. I wish it wasn't so, but the state of mind of most people in America reminds me of this verse from 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12.
"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
Thank God for the relatively few who do love righteousness and truth. May there be more who think this way! I applaud all the people who are supporters of Ron Paul. I love you all because you are for honest government and you uphold the value of human life, both at home and abroad.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I posted my idea here, namely, deal with reality. Understand that you are losing. Stop thinking about what could be or might be, but what is and what will continue unless changes are made. Most importantly, stop believing that freedom is popular because if it was, we'd be winning.

I think FREEDOM IS POPULAR, but the old line media is still a gatekeeper. The latter is the reason we have not broken through. The internet is now competitive with the elite controllers in getting the truth out, but the tipping point has not been reached where the general population equally uses the new media, such that the movement could replace the MSM in framing the election coverage.

Clearly it is impossible to judge whether a candidate is actually popular, if that candidate is still largely unknown to large segments of the electorate (canvassers are still encountering "Who is Ron Paul?" responses). The national media has not covered Paul commeasurate with the news he was making and the movement phenomenon he engendered. The grassroots have also had an incoherent approach to that media, thinking on the one hand that it was bypassing them entirely, yet still being dependent on it to get the word out about Paul.

It turns out we couldn't force them to cover Paul, be it through money bombs or blimps, and still claim to be at last independent of their influence. Until the internet covers the mass market gap and reaches seniors, there is a cap on how much penetration we can achieve with the freedom message. Only after that point can we assess how well that freedom message is being received.

 

[Carole]

I was half asleep when I responded here. Should add that I do support abortion in cases of rape and unusual circumstances such as severe birth defect issues, such as we knew with thalidomide. These thoughts are in addition to abortion for the purpose of saving a woman's life. These are just my perosnal views and I certainly do not consider it my right to impose them upon other women at all.

Because I am not above another human being and therefore have no right to judge, I support removing the issue from the realm of Federal government since it is not the right of the government at the federal level to legislate morality.

I do not oppose the states making their own choices in the matter.

 

[Carole]

Thanks for sharing.

I had a sister-in-law who kept trying to become pregnant. she did all the usual things, taking her temperature and blah,blah.....until finally she and her husband adopted a child.

She almost immediately became pregnant.

 

[offroadaz]

Thanks for sharing.

I had a sister-in-law who kept trying to become pregnant. she did all the usual things, taking her temperature and blah,blah.....until finally she and her husband adopted a child.

She almost immediately became pregnant.

wow how old was the kid they adopted?!!

 

[Carole]

Well spoken.

 

[Carole]

Hi Gecko,

Wow! The Thessolonians verse is right on the mark.

Let us hope our canvassers in the field in each state are making inroads in reaching the minds and hearts of the public.

We have a lot of love here to share. The wonderful thing that I love about Dr. Paul's message is how it truly brings people together. The hate falls away, the anger becomes focussed on goals, and the differences become less so as people discover we are all individuals, not groups.

All my life I have felt unfulfilled and had a certain sadness that I could not define. It was when I discovered Dr. Paul that I finally understood so completely why I was sad. Before, I could only suffer frustration, but now I try to ignore the frustration or at least shelve it. It is so much more satisfying to disregard the frustration and keep pushing forward against our obstacles to wake up America and take our country back.

I can listen to Ron Paul Radio, too and hear some truth for a change. I think the thing that has made me saddest has been the lies on television. All my life I have hated lies. MSM and our government fed my anger against the lies. I can try to pass along all the lessons I am learning to my family and friends.

We all share your love.

 

[pacelli]

“Jane Roe” Endorses Ron Paul on Roe v. Wade Anniversary

Ron Paul’s consistent pro-life stand throughout his years in congress — not to mention his years as an OB/GYN — has won him the support of Norma McCorvey, who was Jane Roe in the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision thirty-five years ago today. She has since become a pro-life activist, leading Crossing Over Ministry (formerly Roe No More Ministry). Here’s what she says about Dr. Paul:

“I support Ron Paul for president because we share the same goal, that of overturning Roe v Wade. Ron Paul doesn’t just talk about being pro-life, he acts on it. His voting record truly is impeccable and he undoubtedly understands our constitutional republic and the inalienable right to life for all. Ron Paul is the prime author of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v. Wade. As the signor of the affidavit that legalized abortion 35 years ago I appreciate Ron Paul’s action to restore protection for the unborn. Ron Paul has also authored H.R. 1094 in Congress, which seeks to define life as beginning at conception. He has never wavered on the issue of being pro-life and has a voting record to prove it. He understands the importance of civil liberties for all, including the unborn.

“After taking all of the presidential candidates into consideration, it is obvious that Ron Paul is the only one that doesn’t just talk the talk. For this reason and those stated above, I am publicly endorsing Ron Paul for president.”

http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campa...-endorses-ron-paul-on-roe-v-wade-anniversary/

It is a shame that this wasn't televised. Nobody knows about it!

 

[billyjoeallen]

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[Carole]

Wow! The Thessolonians verse is right on the mark.

Hi Gecko,

Wow! The Thessolonians verse is right on the mark.

Let us hope our canvassers in the field in each state are making inroads in reaching the minds and hearts of the public.

We have a lot of love here to share. The wonderful thing that I love about Dr. Paul's message is how it truly brings people together. The hate falls away, the anger becomes focussed on goals, and the differences become less so as people discover we are all individuals, not groups.

All my life I have felt unfulfilled and had a certain sadness that I could not define. It was when I discovered Dr. Paul that I finally understood so completely why I was sad. Before, I could only suffer frustration, but now I try to ignore the frustration or at least shelve it. It is so much more satisfying to disregard the frustration and keep pushing forward against our obstacles to wake up America and take our country back.

I can listen to Ron Paul Radio, too and hear some truth for a change. I think the thing that has made me saddest has been the lies on television. All my life I have hated lies. MSM and our government fed my anger against the lies. I can try to pass along all the lessons I am learning to my family and friends.

We all share your love.

 

[Kade]

Sigh. Here we go again.

Norma McCorvey is a lunatic. She was a lunatic when she said she was raped, and she is a lunatic when she converted and said she wasn't.

The whole point of Roe v Wade was that Texas made it a felony to have an abortion.

Regardless of what you backwards morons continue to think, you don't want Storma' Norma McCrazy on either side of the debate.

 

[Carole]

Let me tell you the endorsements I'll get excited about.

Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
George Bush (either one)
Any of the other "front runner" candidates on the GOP side.
I suppose after some thought, I might add a few more in there, but honestly, that's about it.

Again ask yourself, what can you realistically expect have happen if she endorses Paul?

These people are the last people I want to endorse my candidate. They are part of the problem.

Nothing much will happen if she endorses Dr. Paul, but I do have a friend who is adamant against Ron Paul, but very, very prolife. I will forward the news to her.

 

[Carole]

Thanks.

 

[Kade]

Yes, it would be nice to be the candidate that she endorses this election, but goodness sake she endorses a candidate every election so why would this be historic by any means?

And please tell me why this would be huge? Honestly, what do you expect to have happen? Are throngs of pro-lifers finally going to see the light and have the Faux News scales fall from their eyes and flock to Dr. Paul?

Come on guys. If she endorses Paul, wonderful. Welcome to the movement, it's a tool in the tool box. But do you seriously expect it to change something?

Let me tell you the endorsements I'll get excited about.

Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
George Bush (either one)
Any of the other "front runner" candidates on the GOP side.
I suppose after some thought, I might add a few more in there, but honestly, that's about it.

Again ask yourself, what can you realistically expect have happen if she endorses Paul?

Why... is this what the supporters of Ron Paul believe? Maybe I am on the wrong side... those people are the last people I would ever consider listening to in an endorsement... EVER.

 

[Carole]

Well, at least we are intelligent enough to try and keep the discussion entirely civil.

Your remarks are not rational, but simpy accusations.

Indeed the lady in question had a difficult life and seems only in recent years to have begun to pull herself together. For that I give her credit. I also respect the fact that she had the courage to face the public with her reversal on the issue of abortion. I also agree that she is not the ideal endorsement to many people myself included. But I can take it for what it is worth and try to use it to some advantage for convincing people I know that Dr. Paul is not crazy and a kook, or totally out of touch wiht what they themselves think.

We all have our demons. I daresay Dr. Paul would not welcome many endorsements. I am sure he would not want mine even though I have done nothing to be considered "out there" or weird or anything else I can think of at the moment. My endorsement would do nothing for him. But the lady's endorsemnet of Paul might help me to convince certain persons in my life who oppose Dr. Paul, but hate abortion, that he is not scary and the story of this woman might help with that.

The more important an issue is individually, the more useful this information might be locally.

I think you miss something important by dismissing it out of hand with nothing more than rantings.

 

[Kade]

Well, at least we are intelligent enough to try and keep the discussion entirely civil.

Your remarks are not rational, but simpy accusations.

Indeed the lady in question had a difficult life and seems only in recent years to have begun to pull herself together. For that I give her credit. I also respect the fact that she had the courage to face the public with her reversal on the issue of abortion. I also agree that she is not the ideal endorsement to many people myself included. But I can take it for what it is worth and try to use it to some advantage for convincing people I know that Dr. Paul is not crazy and a kook, or totally out of touch wiht what they themselves think.

We all have our demons. I daresay Dr. Paul would not welcome many endorsements. I am sure he would not want mine even though I have done nothing to be considered "out there" or weird or anything else I can think of at the moment. My endorsement would do nothing for him. But the lady's endorsemnet of Paul might help me to convince certain persons in my life who oppose Dr. Paul, but hate abortion, that he is not scary and the story of this woman might help with that.

The more important an issue is individually, the more useful this information might be locally.

I think you miss something important by dismissing it out of hand with nothing more than rantings.

It's based on the fact that many people here continue to rail on the pro-choicers, while asking not to consider Paul on one issue, they continue to rely on one issue to gain voters. I don't understand the hypocrisy.

 

[dkim68]

Is there a video of this event on YouTube or anywhere?

 

[dkim68]

No vid yet?