Jake Tapper nails Trump on "Mexican" judge comments in utterly mad interview

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Well first of all, I think most the debunkers here are not his supporters. Do you remember Ron Paul was unjustly attacked in the MSM? Less taxation and more money in my pocket and I can pay for work I would rather not do, more.

Why should we give up now? Because you don't not like a particular politician?


As far as doing the dirty work jobs that nobody wants to do. I think we could find many people, teenagers especially to do those jobs without importing illegal immigrants.

I'll do them if I need the money. Eliminate EBT cards and welfare programs and we will all be better off.

Ron Paul was He Who Must Not Be Named and rarely mentioned in MSM. I'll agree it was usually negative but he was hardly in the news. Trump is in the news 100x a day- and all the "negative" is a plus for him. He thrives on it, as do his supporters. The MSM is NOT against Trump - if so he would not exist in media.

And I can't recall RP flip-flopping. Trump flips continually- sometimes in the same sentence. AND- I have never heard RP call out for violence against his opposers.

As for dirty jobs, I have worked in tourist areas where NO ONE would apply for jobs in the service industry except Latinos. Some owners could not find workers or fill positions until they specifically approached the Latino community. So- no, most indulged Americans will not take the service jobs- especially teens.
 
lol you need to get a grip on reality. I did not cherry pick. Trump said what he said and then he doubled and tripled down on it. It's not my fault that you and your ilk are using every possible tool at your disposal to reinforce your cognitive dissonance on this issue. The manner in which you guys are trying to twist words and argue semantics is honestly amusing at this point.

This entire thread is essentially one long argument that 1 + 1 equals 3. You can keep insisting that it equals 3 but the rest of us know the truth.

Believe what you want, I don't care. Trump's words are public record and people are free to draw their own conclusions.

FYI I don't actually believe Trump is a racist. I do believe that he says anything that comes to mind and talks out of his ass, and as such sometimes makes racist statements. This is certainly one of those instances. I do think he also knows that this plays well to his base, but the reality is that Trump is eventually going to have to get more votes than his 30% base of the Republican party if he ever wants to be elected.

Anyway, mission accomplished. The entire country is talking about this now instead of focusing on a clear cut case of fraud and wondering why someone (supposedly) worth $10 BN feels the need to conduct fraudulent business practices for a measly few million dollars.

This is just a bunch of blah blah blah with no logical refutations..

You and your "ilk" have yet to explain why saying that someone with a proud Mexican heritage might be biased against somebody with Trump's political views is racist. Because it isn't. It's true. Trump believes he is being treated unfairly because the guy disagrees with his political views, which were in part shaped by his heritage. That's NOT racist. Period. There is no word twisting, no deception, no nothing.

If Trump said something like, "Mexicans tend to be more biased than whites" or "I shouldn't have a Mexican Judge because I want to build a wall" then THAT would be racist.. But he said nothing like either of those things. He said that the particular Judge in his case was biased, and he gave the reasons why he thought that was. You can't explain with logic how that is racist, because it isn't. That's why you don't try, you just go around saying a bunch of nonsense that basically tells me that you thought Trump was racist, he said something about race so it must be racist, but you don't actually know what the word racist means.
 
This isn't a mystery. Trump routinely says good things about people who say good things about him and talks bad about people who say bad things. He's always done that. He has even outright said that's what he does. He does it with everybody, whether they're Latino or not. It's as simple as that. Being Latino just happens to be the convenient factor here.
 
This is just a bunch of blah blah blah with no logical refutations..

You and your "ilk" have yet to explain why saying that someone with a proud Mexican heritage might be biased against somebody with Trump's political views is racist. Because it isn't. It's true. Trump believes he is being treated unfairly because the guy disagrees with his political views, which were in part shaped by his heritage. That's NOT racist. Period. There is no word twisting, no deception, no nothing.

If Trump said something like, "Mexicans tend to be more biased than whites" or "I shouldn't have a Mexican Judge because I want to build a wall" then THAT would be racist.. But he said nothing like either of those things. He said that the particular Judge in his case was biased, and he gave the reasons why he thought that was. You can't explain with logic how that is racist, because it isn't. That's why you don't try, you just go around saying a bunch of nonsense that basically tells me that you thought Trump was racist, he said something about race so it must be racist, but you don't actually know what the word racist means.

Trump didn't get the ruling he wanted and he's invented a argument to persuade others to agree with him. Perhaps this can help shed some light on how the racism issue seems to be evading you.

Let’s concede the first two points, at least for the sake of argument. Trump isn’t a visceral hater of all Latinos, and he isn’t trying to hurt Latino Americans. The harder question is whether he’s a more sophisticated kind of demagogue—one who uses ethnicity, race, or religion for advantage in particular contexts when he thinks it might serve his interests.

That’s where Trump’s third point comes in. To impute ethnic hostility to a judge, you need two things. The judge’s ethnicity is only half of the equation. The other half is something about the defendant that would arouse hostility from a person of that ethnicity. Trump suggests that the answer is in his campaign platform. He’s challenging Mexican interests. Therefore, a Mexican American judge is likely to resent him.

But now we have a problem. Trump just said, in his first two points, that there’s no reason for Mexican Americans to dislike him. He has argued that his pro-American policies would serve Hispanic Americans, just like other Americans. And he denies that anything he has said or done is categorically hostile to Latinos. So there’s no reason for Curiel, a Mexican American, to be biased against Trump—a candidate whose policies, at most, might be inimical to Mexicans.

Unless, of course, Trump doesn’t really believe in this distinction between Mexicans and Mexican Americans. In that case, his concern about Curiel makes perfect sense. Trump recognizes that a Mexican American judge has grounds to dislike him, because Trump’s routine attacks on Mexicans are an implicit assault on all people of Mexican descent.

Trump can’t have it both ways. Either his rhetoric about Mexican factories, immigrants, and rapists is ethnically neutral, or it isn’t. If it’s neutral, there’s no basis to accuse Curiel of ethnic bias against Trump. If it isn’t neutral—if Trump believes his own rhetoric is ethnically loaded—he’s essentially admitting that he’s an opportunistic bigot.

The same goes for Trump’s fourth point, about Curiel’s membership in the La Raza lawyers’ group. It’s a bar association for Latinos. If you impute prejudice based on somebody’s membership in a Latino bar association—or in the NAACP or B’nai B’rith—you’re basically saying that being a minority, and belonging to a minority community or civil rights organization, is grounds for disqualification. That’s functionally equivalent to categorical prejudice.

So which is it, Donald? Does Judge Curiel have reason to see you as an enemy, or doesn’t he? Do you believe that membership in an ethnic organization is disqualifying, or don’t you? If the answer is no, then let the case proceed, and stop trying to justify your insinuations. If the answer is yes, then say so, and let’s call you what you really are.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...publicans_make_for_donald_trump_s_racism.html
 
Trump didn't get the ruling he wanted and he's invented a argument to persuade others to agree with him. Perhaps this can help shed some light on how the racism issue seems to be evading you.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...publicans_make_for_donald_trump_s_racism.html

It doesn't matter if the Judge was biased, or treated Trump unfairly or whether Trump U was a scam. None of those things make what Trump said racist. What he said was that he thought the Judge was treating him unfairly because they had political disagreements, and that isn't racist, period.

Now, the only thing I have seen that I think Trump U did wrong was Trump said that he had handpicked the professors when he did not. Does that make the University a "scam"? Not really - they certainly misinformed their students, and I agree there might even be some compensation that could be fairly awarded. But I see it as a very minor issue. I think the "real" University system is much worse. They lie about what their graduates make and get students into monstrous amounts of debt, double or quadruple the amount Trump's courses cost and they do it at a far greater scale. So I don't think the courts should really be focusing that much on stuff like this, but again I could see some sort of Judgement against Trump U come out of this, for that one statement he made, which probably had a negligible effect on the outcome of the University. Do you think if Trump had handpicked the professors the students would have been that much better off?
 
It doesn't matter if the Judge was biased, or treated Trump unfairly or whether Trump U was a scam. None of those things make what Trump said racist. What he said was that he thought the Judge was treating him unfairly because they had political disagreements, and that isn't racist, period.

Now, the only thing I have seen that I think Trump U did wrong was Trump said that he had handpicked the professors when he did not. Does that make the University a "scam"? Not really - they certainly misinformed their students, and I agree there might even be some compensation that could be fairly awarded. But I see it as a very minor issue. I think the "real" University system is much worse. They lie about what their graduates make and get students into monstrous amounts of debt, double or quadruple the amount Trump's courses cost and they do it at a far greater scale. So I don't think the courts should really be focusing that much on stuff like this, but again I could see some sort of Judgement against Trump U come out of this, for that one statement he made, which probably had a negligible effect on the outcome of the University. Do you think if Trump had handpicked the professors the students would have been that much better off?

Your new Senator from California wants to make it a priority to prosecute scam education businesses. Well, unless it is run by the State.
 
This is just a bunch of blah blah blah with no logical refutations..

Feel free to disagree but please stop pretending you have a monopoly on logic.

Trump believes he is being treated unfairly because the guy disagrees with his political views, which were in part shaped by his heritage. That's NOT racist. Period. There is no word twisting, no deception, no nothing.

Except that is not what he said (at least until his recent back peddling PR). Trump never mentioned his politics, only his heritage. So yes, it is twisting words. I'm providing quotes, you are providing interpretations.

If Trump said something like, "Mexicans tend to be more biased than whites" or "I shouldn't have a Mexican Judge because I want to build a wall" then THAT would be racist..

I'm glad we agree. That is what he said.

“I’m building a wall,” Trump said. “It’s an inherent conflict of interest.”

"He's Mexican. We're building a wall between here and Mexico."

You can claim all day that Trump is referring to Curiel's politics in the above quotes, despite the fact that he never made the distinction. You can also try to tell me that the "inherent conflict of interest" is something other than race. But here is the statement that really gives it away.

“But he’s an American,” Tapper said of the Indiana-born jurist. “If you’re saying he cannot do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism?”

“No, he’s proud of his heritage,” Trump said. “We’re building a wall. He’s a Mexican.”

So basically a "a Mexican" (which he's not...) is okay to be his judge, but not one who is proud of his heritage.

Yea okay, not a racist statement.
 
What a breathtaking display of braggadocio from someone who glorifies their own ignorance whilst reducing a two syllable word to a monosyllabic chant.

Proof, follow your own line of reasoning. He has complained since October 2014, but to date, none of Trump's excuses are relevant to the date of his initial ruling to which he continuously cries foul. So proof? Emotional appeals and hysteria are not proof. Racist innuendo is not proof. I didn't get my way, nope, still not proof.

Social contract:
https://simplevoluntaryism.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/voluntaryism-in-simple-terms/

Pay to renounce citizenship:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertw...-to-renounce-citizenship-by-422/#5b689cb57c4a

Move to Somalia:
https://societyrepair.liberty.me/move-to-somalia/

Yes, YOUR flavor of dictator in chief who has repeatedly stated a number of positions which he in singular, first person, claims will change or states whom he will go after to avenge himself from perceived slights. YES, YOU and your monosyllabic vocabulary friends who pimp the totalitarian state because you've been sold a fantasy by a carnival barker motivating you through fear, own the steaming pile of candidate to whom you have hitched your wagon.

His solutions are absurd. His rants steeped in hate. He has already altered public discourse in a deleterious manner. He and his virulent supporters are a toxic drain on society and their idea of the future seems largely predicated upon resurrecting the past.

Your initial post that responded to before your crazy rant here:

Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
Proof? Oh, yeah modern era requires one just toss words at another individual and demand the accused prove the non-existence to the satisfaction of the accuser who harbored an ax to grind. October 2014, he never filed against the judge and still has no proof prior to his wall issue.

Perhaps it is that I don't cotton to your flavor of dictator in chief and until y'all decide to let me and mine out of that social contract (no, I don't owe you money for the privilege and I won't move to Somalia) that demands your decisions have any authority within my household, I'll keep on pointing out your wanna be emperor's short comings.


And now you follow with more crazy, accusing me of bragging (?).

lol

I see you're very angry and hold some very leftwing views mixed in there with your libertarian (or whatever they are) views. Nobody here has asked or suggested that you move to Somalia or pay to renounce your citizenship. I'm pretty sure that most here (except the lefties and neocons) hate the US government as much or more than you do. If any of us chose to renounce our citizenship we would all be subject to the same abuse of power by the criminals in government. If you stayed, I guess we would be paying YOU based on your twisted style of thinking.

You're angry and playing the victim, looking for someone to blame and, in this case, anyone voting for Trump (because you're very angry about him, at the moment) becomes the object of your hate. The evil system (I agree!) > evil Trump > anyone voting for Trump > evil despicable oppressor of you, the poor victim.

Then you're mad about borders which conflict with your Utopian libertarian/communist vision of one big happy multikulti world where everyone is nice and free to move about. Anyone who realizes we don't live in that world is an evil racist oppressor.

Maybe you'd like to say something about white privilege and micro aggressions, too.

The problem with someone being so angry and firmly in victim mode is it's impossible to dialogue with them. You're desperately looking for anyone to lash out at and Trump and Trump voters are convenient, at the moment. Later on it will be somebody else because the real source of what's making you so mad will not have gone away. I've got news for you: we live in hell and it's not going to get better. You better come to terms with that fact. Yes, there may be some momentary relief where the light gets the better of the dark but it's nothing more than ebb and flow and cycles. That is the nature of this reality, the physical world. Lashing out at others here who have done you no harm and are in the same predicament is not going to serve you well, AT ALL. Furthermore, you're so caught up in your hate that you haven't even indicated what it is you support (other than open borders) and you still have not answered my questions. Because you're too angry to converse and only capable of ranting, there's no reason to continue. I don't know if there's an ignore button as I've never felt inclined to ignore anyone here but I'm gonna look for one.

A fond adieu and good luck with your anger. You're gonna need it.
 
Hazarding a guess in such a hypothetical scenario I'd say because The Donald would be unlikely to go along with the further destruction/dismantling of the country when he was ordered to.

First you react to someone telling you they have no intention of voting for your favorite potential dictator by accusing her of being an angry, irrational, victim-card-playing multiculturalist who blathers about microaggressions. And then you completely ignore a link which demonstrates that Trump's own advisors are admitting he's going to pick a neocon as a running mate and let him run the country.

The problem with someone who's so firmly convinced the con man who convinced him he will pander to all his xenophobic desires and kick everyone out of the country who doesn't look like him is he's so irrational it's impossible to dialog with him.

Good luck with Trump pandering to your irrational hate. You're going to need it.
 
Hazarding a guess in such a hypothetical scenario I'd say because The Donald would be unlikely to go along with the further destruction/dismantling of the country when he was ordered to.

Have fun with that idea....

 
As for dirty jobs, I have worked in tourist areas where NO ONE would apply for jobs in the service industry except Latinos. Some owners could not find workers or fill positions until they specifically approached the Latino community. So- no, most indulged Americans will not take the service jobs- especially teens.

I've know lots of non hispanic Americans who have done all of those jobs (and some still doing them). Nursing homes, hotels, cleaning houses and offices, working in restaurants and every job you reserve for "latinos". In places like California and Florida where the immigrant population is huge and they work for dirt cheap, yeah, only the immigrants do these jobs. Not every place in the US is like that, though.

I agree about indulged Americans and I see it as a serious problem that has led to moral decay. When work is beneath any group of people, what does that say about their REAL opinion of those they expect to to that work? I've always thought the way immigrant workers are treated and paid is a travesty. Illegal immigration only adds to this downward spiral.

Remove institutionalized welfare and a whole class of able bodied Americans will be looking for work.
 
Your initial post that responded to before your crazy rant here:

Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
Proof? Oh, yeah modern era requires one just toss words at another individual and demand the accused prove the non-existence to the satisfaction of the accuser who harbored an ax to grind. October 2014, he never filed against the judge and still has no proof prior to his wall issue.

Perhaps it is that I don't cotton to your flavor of dictator in chief and until y'all decide to let me and mine out of that social contract (no, I don't owe you money for the privilege and I won't move to Somalia) that demands your decisions have any authority within my household, I'll keep on pointing out your wanna be emperor's short comings.


And now you follow with more crazy, accusing me of bragging (?).

lol

I see you're very angry and hold some very leftwing views mixed in there with your libertarian (or whatever they are) views. Nobody here has asked or suggested that you move to Somalia or pay to renounce your citizenship. I'm pretty sure that most here (except the lefties and neocons) hate the US government as much or more than you do. If any of us chose to renounce our citizenship we would all be subject to the same abuse of power by the criminals in government. If you stayed, I guess we would be paying YOU based on your twisted style of thinking.

You're angry and playing the victim, looking for someone to blame and, in this case, anyone voting for Trump (because you're very angry about him, at the moment) becomes the object of your hate. The evil system (I agree!) > evil Trump > anyone voting for Trump > evil despicable oppressor of you, the poor victim.

Then you're mad about borders which conflict with your Utopian libertarian/communist vision of one big happy multikulti world where everyone is nice and free to move about. Anyone who realizes we don't live in that world is an evil racist oppressor.

Maybe you'd like to say something about white privilege and micro aggressions, too.

The problem with someone being so angry and firmly in victim mode is it's impossible to dialogue with them. You're desperately looking for anyone to lash out at and Trump and Trump voters are convenient, at the moment. Later on it will be somebody else because the real source of what's making you so mad will not have gone away. I've got news for you: we live in hell and it's not going to get better. You better come to terms with that fact. Yes, there may be some momentary relief where the light gets the better of the dark but it's nothing more than ebb and flow and cycles. That is the nature of this reality, the physical world. Lashing out at others here who have done you no harm and are in the same predicament is not going to serve you well, AT ALL. Furthermore, you're so caught up in your hate that you haven't even indicated what it is you support (other than open borders) and you still have not answered my questions. Because you're too angry to converse and only capable of ranting, there's no reason to continue. I don't know if there's an ignore button as I've never felt inclined to ignore anyone here but I'm gonna look for one.

A fond adieu and good luck with your anger. You're gonna need it.

Irony...

No, "we" don't live in hell. Sorry your life is so pathetic that you project that view upon others. And I'm not angry. You seem to have some serious comprehension problems.
 
This isn't a mystery. Trump routinely says good things about people who say good things about him and talks bad about people who say bad things. He's always done that. He has even outright said that's what he does. He does it with everybody, whether they're Latino or not. It's as simple as that. Being Latino just happens to be the convenient factor here.

I agree and that's one of things I find immature about Trump (among many). The judge, however, does belong to organizations that oppose US sovereignty and that's a real problem. There are many thousands of government employees who also hate US sovereignty but this one has been clearly exposed and there's no way in hell he isn't prejudiced against Trump (Trump U scam, notwithstanding).
 
Feel free to disagree but please stop pretending you have a monopoly on logic.

Ok, let's have a go at what your information and logic suggests..

First sentence and.....

Except that is not what he said (at least until his recent back peddling PR). Trump never mentioned his politics, only his heritage. So yes, it is twisting words. I'm providing quotes, you are providing interpretations.


WRONG!!

Trump mentioned not only his politics but his political associations and clearly when Trump was talking about a wall, he was talking about his own politics.


I'm glad we agree. That is what he said.

Wrong again!!! Wow, that's 0/2, you aren't doing too well..

Trump did NOT in fact say that he didn't want a Mexican Judge because he wants to build a wall, he said that his Judge, who was Mexican, was biased and treating him unfairly because he wanted to build a wall... at NO POINT did Trump ever say he didn't want any Judge with Mexican heritage because they would automatically be biased - it just never happened and so once again you are wrong.




You can claim all day that Trump is referring to Curiel's politics in the above quotes, despite the fact that he never made the distinction. You can also try to tell me that the "inherent conflict of interest" is something other than race. But here is the statement that really gives it away.

There you go, cherry picking again!! Take the entire conversation into context and what you are saying turns into bullshit.

So basically a "a Mexican" (which he's not...) is okay to be his judge, but not one who is proud of his heritage.


WRONG AGAIN!!!

You are 0/4 buddy, so far I do have the monopoly on logic in this conversation.

Trump would be perfectly happy with a Mexican Judge, who had proud Mexican heritage, IF the Judge were unbiased in the case and treated him fairly.


Yea okay, not a racist statement.

It's not a racist statement when you put all the connections Trump made together - when you cherry pick statements, which you love to do, then it is easy to make Trump believe anything you want.
 
Your new Senator from California wants to make it a priority to prosecute scam education businesses. Well, unless it is run by the State.


I don't want to excuse any scam on the part of Trump U, if that's what is was, but you are so right about the state. Where are the lawsuits against universities when those with worthless degrees can't find employment and are hundred grand or two in debt? Now, THAT'S a scam. There are thousands of university professors and employees doing next to no work, with huge salaries and enormous pensions but you'll never hear the left moan about that. If Trump were as smart as he says he is he'd get a few unemployed and in debt grads together and fund a big nasty lawsuit :)
 
Ok, let's have a go at what your information and logic suggests..

First sentence and.....




WRONG!!

Trump mentioned not only his politics but his political associations and clearly when Trump was talking about a wall, he was talking about his own politics.




Wrong again!!! Wow, that's 0/2, you aren't doing too well..

Trump did NOT in fact say that he didn't want a Mexican Judge because he wants to build a wall, he said that his Judge, who was Mexican, was biased and treating him unfairly because he wanted to build a wall... at NO POINT did Trump ever say he didn't want any Judge with Mexican heritage because they would automatically be biased - it just never happened and so once again you are wrong.






There you go, cherry picking again!! Take the entire conversation into context and what you are saying turns into bull$#@!.




WRONG AGAIN!!!

You are 0/4 buddy, so far I do have the monopoly on logic in this conversation.

Trump would be perfectly happy with a Mexican Judge, who had proud Mexican heritage, IF the Judge were unbiased in the case and treated him fairly.




It's not a racist statement when you put all the connections Trump made together - when you cherry pick statements, which you love to do, then it is easy to make Trump believe anything you want.

Now you're pissed and you've lost all objectivity.

Tell us this: Is there any possible proof available that the judge is objective aside from him ruling in Trump's favor? And if not, what would keep Trump from crying about bias if he lost except maybe a white judge?

Now how, again, is this not Trump playing a sort of twisted "race card"?
 
It doesn't matter if the Judge was biased, or treated Trump unfairly or whether Trump U was a scam. None of those things make what Trump said racist. What he said was that he thought the Judge was treating him unfairly because they had political disagreements, and that isn't racist, period.

Now, the only thing I have seen that I think Trump U did wrong was Trump said that he had handpicked the professors when he did not. Does that make the University a "scam"? Not really - they certainly misinformed their students, and I agree there might even be some compensation that could be fairly awarded. But I see it as a very minor issue. I think the "real" University system is much worse. They lie about what their graduates make and get students into monstrous amounts of debt, double or quadruple the amount Trump's courses cost and they do it at a far greater scale. So I don't think the courts should really be focusing that much on stuff like this, but again I could see some sort of Judgement against Trump U come out of this, for that one statement he made, which probably had a negligible effect on the outcome of the University. Do you think if Trump had handpicked the professors the students would have been that much better off?

No, his excuses have evolved but still boil down to the judge is hispanic, Trump didn't get his way, therefore the judge must step down because it must be that the judge is allowing his hispanic affinity to cloud his judgement otherwise Trump would be getting better rulings.

Being a member of a minority Bar association does not make oneself automatically disqualified from judging a case. Just because one has pride in one's heritage does not mean they loathe others or have any inherent bias that would cloud their judgement.

Trump still fails to show any substantive reason why this bias could have existed back to October 2014, when he initially claimed an issue with this judge. He has had ample opportunity to file, and facing intense scrutiny, offered reasoning which postdates the initial occurrence of his complaints.
 
Feel free to disagree but please stop pretending you have a monopoly on logic.



Except that is not what he said (at least until his recent back peddling PR). Trump never mentioned his politics, only his heritage. So yes, it is twisting words. I'm providing quotes, you are providing interpretations.



I'm glad we agree. That is what he said.





You can claim all day that Trump is referring to Curiel's politics in the above quotes, despite the fact that he never made the distinction. You can also try to tell me that the "inherent conflict of interest" is something other than race. But here is the statement that really gives it away.



So basically a "a Mexican" (which he's not...) is okay to be his judge, but not one who is proud of his heritage.

Yea okay, not a racist statement.

Mexican is a not a race. It's a nationality. Mexico is a foreign power. The judge is a member of organizations loyal to the interests of that foreign power. He is loyal to the country of his parents. He opposes US sovereignty. It's not a whole lot different from the Jewish lobby and the problem of Israel firsters. You don't have to be born on foreign soil to be loyal to foreign interests. There is nothing racist about calling out someone with foreign loyalties. You're using commie talking points when to try to spin it that way. Obviously, you're okay with those who have loyalties to a foreign power AND you hate Trump (which is fine) but don't try to BS your way by claiming racism where it doesn't exist. Present and honest argument - you hate Trump, think he's lying, Trump U is a scam, he's guilty, he'll say anything to win the lawsuit, etc. Fair enough.
 
Mexican is a not a race. It's a nationality. Mexico is a foreign power. The judge is a member of organizations loyal to the interests of that foreign power. He is loyal to the country of his parents. He opposes US sovereignty. It's not a whole lot different from the Jewish lobby and the problem of Israel firsters. You don't have to be born on foreign soil to be loyal to foreign interests. There is nothing racist about calling out someone with foreign loyalties.

You managed to prove all of that from one membership card? No, you managed to infer all that from one membership card.

You're using commie talking points when to try to spin it that way. Obviously, you're okay with those who have loyalties to a foreign power AND you hate Trump (which is fine) but...

And now you're accusing forum members and putting words in their mouths on equally nonexistent "evidence". Which is fine on a forum where the sole activity is pushing each others' buttons. But not here.

You need to learn how to present an honest argument yourself before you go demanding that of others.

The issue is, is the ruling just? You don't any more have access to the evidence than I do, so you don't know. The difference is, the evidence is important to some of us. But it's of no use to someone who is only here to accuse people of playing victim cards, and not caring about sovereignty, and whatever else they can be falsely accused of to piss them off.
 
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