It’s Your Right To Not Be Polite With The Cops

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It’s Your Right To Not Be Polite With The Cops

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You have the right to be sassy.
You have the right to get sassy with a law enforcement officer.
Congress shall make no law, and no state shall infringe upon, your God-given constitutional right to be as sassy as the spirit leads you, even if such sassiness offends a particular law enforcement officer.


Judging from many of the comments I’ve heard, seen and read following the release of the dashcam video of rookie Texas state trooper Brian Encinia stopping, haranguing and arresting Sandra Bland, the 28-year-old African-American woman found dead in her jail cell three days later, it may be time to propose the above language as an Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Nota bene: My proposed “Right to Sassiness” constitutional amendment would just be for clarity. You and me, us Americans, we already enjoy a God-given right to be as sassy as we want to be. We have the right to talk back to the police. The problem is, you wouldn’t know it from hearing much of the reaction, especially from whites and conservatives, to the Sandra Bland video.

I grabbed some comments from NYTimes.com, whose readers skew more educated and thus, to the left, of American media readers in general. Many of the comments criticized the police, but many others urged not just compliance with law enforcement, but subservience, too. Really? Yes, really.

One commenter advised:

“I still say, when stopped or approached by an armed person of ‘authority,’ do not mouth off. You have no idea what experiences preceded this event. Try to diffuse the situation. You can always take mistreatment to court later.”

Another said that what happened to Bland wasn’t specific to her being black:

“Having lived near Waller County for many years, I can assure you that a white person would be treated the same way. Getting stopped is dangerous. Turn on your inside lights if it is dark. Keep your hands on the steering wheel. Do not smoke, a lit cigarette could be considered a weapon. If you need to move, ask for permission. Do not offer information other than what is requested. Answer promptly. If you do all those things, you have a good chance at surviving, regardless of race.”

Here’s a third one:

“I am white and in my sixties, and when I was younger I was stopped by police in that part of the state for similar foolish reasons, but we were taught in high school and by our parents that the best way to deal with the police was to be polite and contrite — to hope to get off with a warning or take the ticket and say thank you. I generally left those situations relieved or angry, but I wasn’t about to give the cop a reason to shoot me or run me in. Of course, the patrolman lost control of himself and violated rules and I cannot help but think that dealing with an angry black woman was a problem for him. What followed is a tragedy and there is plenty of reason to ask what else happened to cause the suicide, if that is what it was. Pride and self-respect are important to all of us, but self-preservation sometimes means that, they should not always be paramount in a situation where it is only a matter of a traffic citation and the situation could easily go wrong.”

talk back to the policeFor the record, this is all excellent advice. And it’s exactly what I do when I come into contact with cops. Cops are dangerous animals, dangerous animals who have been known to maim and kill without warning, often without reason, and who get away with it because they have the power of the state behind them.

I would urge anyone who wants to come away alive from an unwanted interaction with a police officer – and, for the most part, they’re pretty much all unwanted – to just follow these words of wisdom to the letter.

As editorial comments, though, these totally miss the point.
Why are they blaming the victim?

Why aren’t they attacking the cop — the unprofessional, aggressive, brutal cop?

You hear the same kind of reactions to killings by police officers in Ferguson, Baltimore, and Staten Island: if only the victims had been more docile, if they’d been more polite, if they’d sucked up more, they’d be more alive.

The case of Sandra Bland, either driven to suicide or murdered by the police in Prairie View, Texas, is especially instructive about the difference between compliance and deference.

You are required to be compliant when a cop pulls you over.

But you don’t have to be deferential.

Watch the video. It’s below.

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At the beginning, before Trooper Encinia escalated the situation, Bland was compliant. She didn’t speed away: She pulled over. She rolled down her window. She didn’t refuse to speak to the officer. She answered his questions, even those that were inappropriate. She offered him her driver’s license and registration.

That is all, as a driver and as a citizen, that she was required to do.

She only turns noncompliant after the trooper demands that she put out her cigarette, and then that she get out of her car. Given that he told her he pulled her over for the minor moving violation of failing to use her turn signal, these were unusual requests, and probably made her worry that she was about to be assaulted.

The commenters and those who agree with them conflate compliance with deference. To them, compliance isn’t enough. To them, the police are owed deference. Say “Yes, sir.” Say “No, sir.” Don’t complain if you are being falsely charged. Don’t argue. Even if the cops are rude, be polite.

Again, it’s good advice. I follow it myself. I urge others to act this way, too.

But when we watch something like this video, our first reaction shouldn’t be to question the behavior of the victim when there is an attacker right there.

It’s human nature to watch a horror movie and yell at the screen: “Don’t look back! Keep running!” at the woman running away from the murderer, and then to blame the victim when the killer catches up. It’s not the victim’s fault! Don’t blame her. Without a murderer, you don’t have a murder.

Watching the Bland tape, I’m torn between admiration for Sandra’s gutsiness and awareness of her rights, and wanting her to tone it down so that, in some multi-verse, she’d come out of this alive with another annoying story about Driving While Black.

But let’s have some clarity here. Bland was sassy, yes, and she had every right to be sassy.

She argued with the cop, yes, but only when he asked her to do something that was totally unreasonable.

She did nothing illegal and she should never have been taken to jail.

It is time for the American people to exercise their constitutionally protected right to roll their eyes at cops. Let the sarcasm flow freely. Let us ridicule them and make fun of them when they do and say stupid things. Let’s argue with them when they’re wrong.

Seriously, I mean it when I say that the future of the Republic may depend upon us no longer being polite to cops.

People who argue that everyone should be excessively deferential to police, that they should all bite their tongues, that they should be slavish and wimpy and passive and submissive in the face of these public employees simply because they wear blue uniforms and a badge, should be aware that they are arguing in favor of something extremely disgusting and extremely dangerous, something that most of us thought was defeated in 1945: Fascism.
 
Why would you ever not be polite to a cop? It's literally their job to deal with scum. Every single day they're confronted by the wretched underbelly of society. Homeless people, drunks, wife beaters, thugs, the mentally deranged, dangerous criminals. Every where they go they are cursed at, spit on, hated, and seen as a threat. I honestly can't even understand how they make it through the day, much less 20 years on the job.

That's why as a citizen you should treat police officers with respect. Call them "sir", listen when they speak. Don't be afraid to thank them for what they do.

I've followed through with this during every police encounter I've had, and although I've been caught in some pretty nasty traffic violations, I've never gotten a ticket. The cop always leaves me with a warning, probably because I'm such a relief compared to what they usually run into. One cop actually brought me back to his car and showed me all the cool gear the department just got. We talked for like 10 minutes, mostly about how cool it was to shoot big guns.

But that's just the point. They aren't your enemy, they're just a man (or woman) working a job.
 
Why would you ever not be polite to a cop? It's literally their job to deal with scum. Every single day they're confronted by the wretched underbelly of society. Homeless people, drunks, wife beaters, thugs, the mentally deranged, dangerous criminals. Every where they go they are cursed at, spit on, hated, and seen as a threat. I honestly can't even understand how they make it through the day, much less 20 years on the job.

That's why as a citizen you should treat police officers with respect. Call them "sir", listen when they speak. Don't be afraid to thank them for what they do.

I've followed through with this during every police encounter I've had, and although I've been caught in some pretty nasty traffic violations, I've never gotten a ticket. The cop always leaves me with a warning, probably because I'm such a relief compared to what they usually run into. One cop actually brought me back to his car and showed me all the cool gear the department just got. We talked for like 10 minutes, mostly about how cool it was to shoot big guns.

But that's just the point. They aren't your enemy, they're just a man (or woman) working a job.

^^^^^ Be sure to swallow and thank the nice officer while you're still on your knees or he might take offense...^^^^


"Copsucker"
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They aren't your enemy, they're just a man (or woman) working a job.

As much as I hate the State & its apparatuses, fully acknowledging the fact that there are many bad cops out there who deserve the hate they get here but at the end of the day, to have a balanced view, one must accept that most of them are simply doing a job.
 
I always start out polite. even when accosted. I will be polite as I assess the situation.

My presented attitude can be adversely affected by the words and actions (threats,bribes, etc) of the one confronting me.

I do not care for blatant rude. and am not always polite to rude.
 
Your objective in any police encounter is to survive it. Period. Don't let your ego get in the way, it is all risk and no reward.
 
, to have a balanced view, one must accept that most of them are simply doing a job.

Doing a Job. ??

What Job?
The word "police" means "to control".
Police are Control Enforcers. That is there job To Enforce CONTROL.

It is a Job that does not need doing.
Law enforcement is the natural duty of each and every individual.

It is not a "job that needs doing".
 
one always has to assume that the cop you encounter is looking to thump someone...maybe its your lucky day....or not.

there are no good cops...remember that.
 
Why would you ever not be polite to a cop? It's literally their job to deal with scum. Every single day they're confronted by the wretched underbelly of society. Homeless people, drunks, wife beaters, thugs, the mentally deranged, dangerous criminals. Every where they go they are cursed at, spit on, hated, and seen as a threat. I honestly can't even understand how they make it through the day, much less 20 years on the job.

Yeah, I guess you'd have to be pretty fucking sick to do a job like that, wouldn't you? Hmm....

Seriously, though. You've got it backward. It's not their job to deal with scum. On the contrary, it's their job to deal with ordinary, everyday folk, and THEY are the scum that these folks have to deal with. Your question is a good one, considering you almost have to be polite if you want to escape without a beating, robbery, kidnapping, or murder taking place.

That's why as a citizen you should treat police officers with respect. Call them "sir", listen when they speak. Don't be afraid to thank them for what they do.

Don't forget to offer to suck their dicks and kiss their asses while you're at it. Don't be afraid to get on your knees and suck big, hairy, sweaty, salty balls because the Uebermenschen are worth pleasing.

I've followed through with this during every police encounter I've had, and although I've been caught in some pretty nasty traffic violations, I've never gotten a ticket. The cop always leaves me with a warning, probably because I'm such a relief compared to what they usually run into. One cop actually brought me back to his car and showed me all the cool gear the department just got. We talked for like 10 minutes, mostly about how cool it was to shoot big guns.

Yeah, it's like a sport for them. Only they're hunting a completely different kind of animal than you and I. I bet he was really happy to get all that cool gear, paid for with your money and used to pull you over unexpectedly so you can talk for 10 minutes about how cool the gear that was bought with your money to pull you over unexpectedly to talk about...

But that's just the point. They aren't your enemy, they're just a man (or woman) working a job.

So were the Gestapo, the Stasi stormtroopers, etc.
 
When I see a cop, I don't see an enemy. A see a fellow human being with a shitty job. I also recognize that they have a position of authority that commands a certain level of respect.

If you have two options sitting on the table:

Option A: Be rude
Option B: Be respectful

Who in their right mind would pick Option A? With Option B, not only will you get the cop on your side, but you just might make the poor fellow's day a little easier. And that could translate to less stress for him, and less aggression being taken out on other perps. He'll be thinking more positively, more rationally and level headedly for the next guy. He'll be more effective and more lenient. It's just a good thing all around.
 
As much as I hate the State & its apparatuses, fully acknowledging the fact that there are many bad cops out there who deserve the hate they get here but at the end of the day, to have a balanced view, one must accept that most of them are simply doing a job.

You mean to not be overcome with hatred and vitriol, right? You mean to maintain belief in the rosy world you were raised to believe in, right? Because said view is anything but balanced, which is adequately demonstrated by referring once again to the fact that the Stasi stormtroopers were "simply doing a job."

The phrase "doing your/my/their/our job/s" collectivizes us all, makes us all the same so that we are all simply seen as another person doing some kind of job, whatever that job might be. Never, however, does it take into account the vitally important fact of who said person is doing that job for!

I'm flabbergasted that people here on RPF fail to recognize this one crucial aspect to understanding the citizen/job relationship. If you're just doing your job as a hitman/drug dealer, you're not "just doing your job." If you're out killing people for the state, however, then yeah, you're "just doing your job." Why the double standard? Why do we include cops in this blanket generalization of "just doing his/her/their job" and leave out all the drug dealers/pimps just trying to make an honest living?

Either recognize that not everyone who is "just doing a job" is contributing to society or start including everyone you don't like in that description because, well, it's all the same, right?
 
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When I see a cop, I don't see an enemy. A see a fellow human being with a shitty job. I also recognize that they have a position of authority that commands a certain level of respect.

Is that authority legitimate? Serious question.

When I see someone with a shitty job that they chose to do, I don't feel sorry for them, especially if that job involves harassing, kidnapping and murdering other people for a living. That normal, down-to-earth fellow just trying to make an honest living by beating and killing his fellow citizens can go fuck himself for all I care.

If you have two options sitting on the table:

Option A: Be rude
Option B: Be respectful

Who in their right mind would pick Option A? With Option B, not only will you get the cop on your side, but you just might make the poor fellow's day a little easier. And that could translate to less stress for him, and less aggression being taken out on other perps. He'll be thinking more positively, more rationally and level headedly for the next guy. He'll be more effective and more lenient. It's just a good thing all around.

Yes, I guess it's kind of a paradox realizing that sucking up to evil just might be your best option for the better of humanity. No part of that realization, however, would behoove me to see this state-sanctioned thug as a "poor fellow." Fuck that bastard for forcing me to be nice in the face of tyranny for the sake of my fellow human who is also being subjected to his evil. He is truly the enemy. There is really no better way to put it. He is the enemy because he is the reason we must suck up to evil in order to lessen the damage that said evil can do to me and others like me who are just trying to live while he is trying to live at your expense. He truly is the enemy.
 
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When I see a cop, I don't see an enemy. A see a fellow human being with a shitty job. I also recognize that they have a position of authority that commands a certain level of respect.

If you have two options sitting on the table:

Option A: Be rude
Option B: Be respectful

Who in their right mind would pick Option A? With Option B, not only will you get the cop on your side, but you just might make the poor fellow's day a little easier. And that could translate to less stress for him, and less aggression being taken out on other perps. He'll be thinking more positively, more rationally and level headedly for the next guy. He'll be more effective and more lenient. It's just a good thing all around.

^^^^ THIS
 
When I see a cop, I don't see an enemy. A see a fellow human being with a shitty job. I also recognize that they have a position of authority that commands a certain level of respect.

If you have two options sitting on the table:

Option A: Be rude
Option B: Be respectful

Who in their right mind would pick Option A? With Option B, not only will you get the cop on your side, but you just might make the poor fellow's day a little easier. And that could translate to less stress for him, and less aggression being taken out on other perps. He'll be thinking more positively, more rationally and level headedly for the next guy. He'll be more effective and more lenient. It's just a good thing all around.
The only reason to ever be polite to a cop is not to die that day. Oh the poor cop, having such a hard time beating and shooting random civilians for not wearing their seatbelt or going 5 miles over the speed limit.
 
Where are all these copsuckers coming from?

I don't like cops myself, I skated for 20 + years and I always had confrontations with them.

I think the majority of people here that are bitching about cops are just nutty sovereign citizens that think the rules don't apply to them. Most people don't even know what the rules and laws are ... you are always innocent is'nt that right?
 
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