It’s Your Right To Not Be Polite With The Cops

btw, at my parish we don't even celebrate national holidays like Memorial Day. :) We use the ecclesiastical calendar and only observe holidays, feasts, fasts, etc as prescribed by classical tradition. Other parishes operate the same way, AFAIK.

You're Eastern Orthodox correct?

I have close friend that has been trying to convert me to "traditional" Anglicism for the reasons we're talking about.
 
btw, at my parish we don't even celebrate national holidays like Memorial Day. :) We use the ecclesiastical calendar and only observe holidays, feasts, fasts, etc as prescribed by classical tradition. Other parishes operate the same way, AFAIK.

You're Eastern Orthodox correct?

I have close friend that has been trying to convert me to "traditional" Anglicism for the reasons we're talking about.
 
You're Eastern Orthodox correct?

I have close friend that has been trying to convert me to "traditional" Anglicism for the reasons we're talking about.

Correct, sir! IDK much about the Anglican Church, but it's worth looking into for trying to escape state-worshipping churches. IIRC, Anglicans also have a strict liturgical calendar and don't observe national occasions/holy-days of whatever nation they happen to be in.
 
I don't like cops myself, I skated for 20 + years and I always had confrontations with them.

I think the majority of people here that are bitching about cops are just nutty sovereign citizens that think the rules don't apply to them. Most people don't even know what the rules and laws are ... you are always innocent is'nt that right?

We know what the laws are. At least to a point. But, are they just laws? That's the question you should be asking. I think it is painfully clear that if an armed man forces you to stop and fork over money because you didn't "buckle for safety" or because you drove over the speed limit, that's not justice.

I think what's going on is certain anti police websites have been dumping their articles here on RPF. These scary incidental accounts paint a stark picture, but they don't describe the average cop any more than the stories about crazy survivalists describe the average libertarian (perhaps the average Alex Jones listener though :D). Keep in mind that a lot of the abuse you hear about takes place on the federal level. Local cops live in the town they work in, a lot of times that's also where they were born and raised. They're just looking for clean streets.

It varies from place to place, I'm sure the cops in the city are likely not going to have quite the same tenor or demeanor as the cops in suburbia. But that's what you'd expect right? As far as comparing cops in general to the SS... come on man. That's just crazy talk and you know it.

For the record, if we really did have an anarcho-capitalist, totally libertarian society, do you really think there wouldn't be any police? REALLY??? We've had officers walking the beat since Roman times, heck even before that. It's one of the hallmarks of civilization.

You misunderstand the point of the comparison to the SS. Its not to say that US cops are equal to the SS. Its to say that the argument that justifies one also applies to the other. People say things like "the law is the law". "just comply and you'll be fine", "if you disobey the law you deserve to pay the consequences", "you can't fault them for just doing their jobs", etc. This same line of reasoning can be, and actually was, used to justify the SS. American cops aren't quite at the same level but they still enforce unjust edicts and they are morally accountable for that.
 
Matthew 5:44 "But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."

Fucking hypocrites. Anyone in this thread who claims to be a Christian, why don't you go suck on that instead of calling people who prefer taking the respectful high road "copsuckers".

The issue isn't the preference for respect, its the lack of acknowledgement that these ARE our persecutors. Its always easier to blame the guy you can't see. But yes, the local police are the enforcement ffoundation for this whole dang system. No, I'm not for spitting on them and calling them pigs, and I do respect them as human beings, but as for the career it is nothing but wickedness in its current form. The church should recognize this and act accordingly. Cops shouldn't be allowed to be church members or to take communion because its a sinful career in the current form. The only exception would be if they refuse to enforce unjust laws, which we know they don't.
Meh, it's this modern, weaksauce, Romans 13 Christianity that has made me renounce my faith.

The Westminster Divines were not like this. Ever hear of John Knox? ;)

Mind you, they weren't modern libertarians. They were certainly theocrats (I am somewhat as well... more libertarian than the men at Westminster.) But many of them were killed for their opposition to Erastianism and State control over the church. Now people are just kind of like "meh"
I might have to look into that more.

I have no use for modern AmeriKan Christianity, I find it to be a combination of sideshow hucksterism combined with state worship.

Its bad everywhere (you know that thing I mentioned above about cops being under church discipline? Nobody is going to do it). But its much worse in evangelical and baptist circles. If you go a little higher church, Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, or even Reformed Baptist (and I mean actually Reformed, not just Calvinist) it tends to get better from what I've heard. Presbyterians are usually at least semi-strict on the regulative principle of worship (doing only what God commands in worship, note that I am NOT talking about the PCUSA which are liberal heretics in most cases) so they wouldn't do that type of stuff generally. The Orthodox Presbterian Church that I attend didn't acknowledge any of those types of days at all. I also know that the RPCNA is even more strict on the RPW than the OPC. I'm not exactly sure on the PCA but I think they hold to it as well.

Higher church traditions like Anglicans and Lutherans do allow tradition in the worship service (which is sinful, see Leviticus 10) but they from what I recall do not allow patriotism in the worship services. I'm sure local congregations vary everywhere though.
 
Very selective interpretation of that passage. Yeshua also condemned those who earned it, if you'll recall correctly. He even threw the money-changers out of the temple with threat of physical force, FFS!

Those things are both true, at least in the Bible. Just hope all of you Christians remember that God loves cops, and that God proclaims that you and Nazis and (worst of all) life-long cops are all deserving of the same fate. I read some of these comments (in this thread and elsewhere on RPF in police threads) and they are dripping with loathing. There is a difference between practicing civil disobedience or rebuking people versus treating them as less than human.
 
Those things are both true, at least in the Bible. Just hope all of you Christians remember that God loves cops, and that God proclaims that you and Nazis and (worst of all) life-long cops are all deserving of the same fate. I read some of these comments (in this thread and elsewhere on RPF in police threads) and they are dripping with loathing. There is a difference between practicing civil disobedience or rebuking people versus treating them as less than human.

Have you watched their behavior? They're not human. Savages at best. Certainly people a wise man would not want among polite society. Our Lord was/is peaceful, but not a hippie pacifist.
 
Those things are both true, at least in the Bible. Just hope all of you Christians remember that God loves cops, and that God proclaims that you and Nazis and (worst of all) life-long cops are all deserving of the same fate. I read some of these comments (in this thread and elsewhere on RPF in police threads) and they are dripping with loathing. There is a difference between practicing civil disobedience or rebuking people versus treating them as less than human.

So then God is a giant collectivist?

You're saying an unrepentant abortion mill butcher (that we are seeing in the videos popping up every few weeks) is on the same moral level as a child or a decent family man?

If that is true then there are only two options:

1 - God is a kid with an ant farm and magnifying glass.

2 - Or a troll of galalatic proportions.

People that do evil work supporting an evil system deserve and will continue to be objects of my scorn and derision.
 
So then God is a giant collectivist?

You're saying an unrepentant abortion mill butcher (that we are seeing in the videos popping up every few weeks) is on the same moral level as a child or a decent family man?

If that is true then there are only two options:

1 - God is a kid with an ant farm and magnifying glass.

2 - Or a troll of galalatic proportions.

People that do evil work supporting an evil system deserve and will continue to be objects of my scorn and derision.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.
I'm not a believer in the "malevolent God" theory and Unconditional Election our Reformed brothers (and Augustinian Catholics) are fond of. It's unbiblical and doesn't jive with Tradition. Not to mention very depressing.
 
Have you watched their behavior? They're not human. Savages at best. Certainly people a wise man would not want among polite society. Our Lord was/is peaceful, but not a hippie pacifist.

So then God is a giant collectivist?

You're saying an unrepentant abortion mill butcher (that we are seeing in the videos popping up every few weeks) is on the same moral level as a child or a decent family man?

If that is true then there are only two options:

1 - God is a kid with an ant farm and magnifying glass.

2 - Or a troll of galalatic proportions.

People that do evil work supporting an evil system deserve and will continue to be objects of my scorn and derision.

Just relaying to you what's in the Bible.
John 3:16, the wages of sin is death. ALL deserve eternal damnation. That puts YOU on the exact same moral level as those evil cops you despise as savages. Can't argue with what God says? But yes those are two possible options, although I would argue there is a third option, being a non-theist...

edit: Sorry for turning this into religion thread, I am a bit irritable today, bad day my apologies
 
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Matthew 5:44 "But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."

Fucking hypocrites. Anyone in this thread who claims to be a Christian, why don't you go suck on that instead of calling people who prefer taking the respectful high road "copsuckers".

Where the eff did THAT come from? Since when is respecting unrighteous authority the "high road"? And can you not love someone while simultaneously calling them a copsucker? If your enemy is a nazi, can you not call them a nazi and try to defeat them while simultaneously harboring love for the person beneath the surface?

I didn't think you were the type to go around looking for trouble with Christians, but apparently you're not quite as tolerant as you say you are.
 
You're right, some of the guys are just overreacting to bad incidents with bad cops & acting like it's the norm; it's like how the mainstream labels all libertarians/Paul-followers as gullible, pot-smoking, corporatists.

As I've said, I'm a voluntaryist & I believe one can hate the government & its apparatuses without acting like everyone that works for the government is the devil incarnate. Personally, I've never had any big issues with cops so I don't see why I must act like EACH & EVERY COP is an evil monster.

And, yes, even in an AnCap society, there would be cops in some form to ensure law & order, whatever they are called, so acting like it's an undesirable profession altogerther is a bit over the top.

The problem with a lot of the extremists on these forums is that they've allowed their hate for the government to remove all rational thought from their brains.

They (wrongly) assume that anyone who works for the government they hate must be evil incarnate, which is completely out of touch with reality.

Here's the truth, folks (take off your tin foil hats for a moment and TRY to think rationally- even if you haven't done so for a few years): most cops/soldiers/bureaucrats are NOT schutzstaffel thugs looking to kill you or destroy your life. They are regular folks who took a job with the largest employer in the nation for a wide variety of reasons.

Most cops are not power mad assholes bent on destroying your life. Most are pretty regular folks trying to do a decent job.

You act like a decent human being toward them, they'll do the same toward you. You may not like that $65 speeding ticket, but it's not going to be a big deal.

If you act like a complete ass wad when stopped by a cop for some minor traffic infraction, he's probably going to treat you like the irrational raging asshole YOU are. If you act like an irrational douche bag, even if you claim to do it "for liberty," expect to be treated like the douche bag you are.

I have a huge problem with cops who overstep their bounds and mistreat citizens.

But I'm not a tin foil hat dim wit who thinks all cops/soldiers/government employees are "out to get me."

Some of y'all need to climb down from the tower and take a look at yourselves. Being a militant asshole just for the sake of being a militant asshole doesn't do the liberty movement any good, and it sure doesn't do you any good. You might want to consider harnessing your out of control rage and use it more effectively.

And yeah, I know, a lot the raging militant jerk offs on the forums will consider me "part of the problem/conspiracy" for trying to convince them that acting like a psycho may not be helpful.

This message really isn't for them. Most of them are so far gone, they can't even think rationally anymore. But maybe I can reach a few who haven't gone completely off the deep end yet.
 
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The problem with a lot of the extremists on these forums is that they've allowed their hate for the government to remove all rational thought from their brains.

They (wrongly) assume that anyone who works for the government they hate must be evil incarnate, which is completely out of touch with reality.

Here's the truth, folks (take off your tin foil hats for a moment and TRY to think rationally- even if you haven't done so for a few years): most cops/soldiers/bureaucrats are NOT schutzstaffel thugs looking to kill you or destroy your life. They are regular folks who took a job with the largest employer in the nation for a wide variety of reasons.

Most cops are not power mad assholes bent on destroying your life. Most are pretty regular folks trying to do a decent job.

All of this is true. The system, however, makes sure the decent types are weeded out. Only the thugs remain. Sorry, but it's your turn to think rationally. Does the government want people who are decent and don't want to extort people? Furthermore, does this government seem like an entity bent on extorting the people? Uh... YEAH!

You act like a decent human being toward them, they'll do the same toward you. You may not like that $65 speeding ticket, but it's not going to be a big deal.

Not a big deal!? Maybe to YOU! I would like to keep my hard-earned money, thank you very much. Just put up with it and be nice to officer even when he's an asshole and you might only get reprimanded, like a light spanking for being naughty, you bad child, you. Listen to what Fearless Leader and his minions tell you.

If you act like a complete ass wad when stopped by a cop for some minor traffic infraction, he's probably going to treat you like the irrational raging asshole YOU are. If you act like an irrational douche bag, even if you claim to do it "for liberty," expect to be treated like the douche bag you are.

How many traffic stops have you been through? You don't have to be an asshole for the cops to react as such to you. They will be assholes for questioning them in the slightest or even if they get the vibe that you don't like talking to them. It doesn't even take you being an asshole for them to be one to you, but all that aside, you should be able to be as much of an asshole as you want without getting extorted for it. Not a big deal, you say? I'm sure most stops in the Weimar Republic were pretty innocent, too. People sucked up to the Fearless Leader's minions and they were rewarded by not being beaten, killed or robbed. That's not the kind of world I want to live in. Which is part of why I moved to China. Yes, it's much better here. :p

I have a huge problem with cops who overstep their bounds and mistreat citizens.

What are "their bounds" according to you? Because the way you talk, a cop beating or, at least, robbing you for being slightly impolite toward their ill-earned authority is A-okay.

But I'm not a tin foil hat dim wit who thinks all cops/soldiers/government employees are "out to get me."

The dimwits are the cops. This has been proven. The cops may not be out to get you, but if you cross their path and you are having a bad day, God help you if you look at them wrong. I hate to be the one to tell you, but if you support the enforcement arm of this out-of-control government, then you are a statist because the entire problem is enforcement. If the government didn't enforce its bad laws, then who would care? The problem is that we all know it DOES enforce these things, and there are plenty of crazy goons to do their bidding, so it works out. These are not normal people.

Some of y'all need to climb down from the tower and take a look at yourselves. Being a militant asshole just for the sake of being a militant asshole doesn't do the liberty movement any good, and it sure doesn't do you any good. You might want to consider harnessing your out of control rage and use it more effectively.

That's good advice for a cop. Most of the police encounters I've ever witnessed involved a sane, rational human being and, well, a cop. So, I'm afraid you've got it backward. You're chiding the wrong side.

And yeah, I know, a lot the raging militant jerk offs on the forums will consider me "part of the problem/conspiracy" for trying to convince them that acting like a psycho may not be helpful.

Actually, almost every anti-cop person here will try to tell you how to survive a stop. Only organizations built on questioning the authority of the police like CopBlock, etc. will go out of their way to question the police, but that's because it's their job. Most stops are just normal people trying to survive (with limited success) the raving lunatic who is just looking for an excuse to rob, beat, or kidnap them. You think they're normal people. I'm sorry, buddy, but you're mistaken. See, beating and kidnapping people IS their JOB. Only criminals, you say? Well, surprise, surprise, this government of ours makes a lot of people out to be criminals.

This message really isn't for them. Most of them are so far gone, they can't even think rationally anymore. But maybe I can reach a few who haven't gone completely off the deep end yet.

I'm sure all of them are thinking the same of you. It's always the crazies who want to save you before you go off the deep end, but who is the crazy? I would elect it's the guy with a gun and a badge working for an organization that can't seem to stop killing people for no reason, but hey, different strokes for different folks, amirite?
 
Most are pretty regular folks trying to do a decent job.

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I can agree with the first part,, but not the last.

It is not a decent job.
It is not a necessary job.

if it were their job was to be peace keepers and protectors of liberty,, I would accept that.

It has never been so.. "Police" are Control Enforcers. That is by definition...regardless of the years of propaganda otherwise.
 
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