It's time to get serious. Only Ron Paul can defeat Obama.

[alucard13mmfmj]

Since we are kinda screwed if Ron Paul doesn't get into office.. how about some self-immolation? We can set ourselves on fire, as a protest and to show how dedicated/crazy we are XD.... If that doesn't get attention, I don't know what will.

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[LittleLightShining]

The most recent Vermont polling I see shows both Romney and Santorum doing better than Paul against Obama. But it's basically a statistical tie between all of the Republican candidates, with Obama beating them all by 30 percentage points. Honestly, Vermont doesn't matter. It's electors in the general election are going to Obama. Concentrate on how the candidates do against Obama in the battleground states.

Just like it's delegates that matter going towards the nomination, it's electoral votes that matter going towards the general election (270 needed to win). There are 181 electoral votes (in 22 states) that will be won by any general purpose Republican; and 196 electoral vote (in 15 states and DC) that will be won by Obama or any other general purpose Democrat (nothing short of an alien invasion will change that). So concentrate on the 13 battleground states that aren't already painted blue or red, and explain how Ron Paul does better than other candidates at getting at least 89 electoral votes out of them:
9 Electoral votes (Colorado polling against Obama)
29 Electoral votes (Florida polling against Obama)
6 Electoral votes (Iowa polling against Obama)
16 Electoral votes (Michigan polling against Obama)
10 Electoral votes (Missouri polling against Obama)
6 Electoral votes (Nevada polling against Obama)
4 Electoral votes (New Hampshire polling against Obama)
5 Electoral votes (New Mexico polling against Obama)
15 Electoral votes (North Carolina polling against Obama)
18 Electoral votes (Ohio polling against Obama)
20 Electoral votes (Pennsylvania polling against Obama)
13 Electoral votes (Virginia polling against Obama)
10 Electoral votes (Wisconsin polling against Obama)

Castleton polling is a crock.They had Ron Paul polling at 14% and he got 25% here. They are a startup "institute" funded by someone...

I hear what you're saying. What I'm saying is rebrand Ron in those states. Target the message like we did here. Might be a different message in those battleground states but appealing to the broadest base of voters peroiod-- not focusing specifically on Republicans not not ignoring them, either.

Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are big raw milk battlegrounds right now. May not be your issue but it is for a lot of people. Farmers being arrested and imprisoned and having to fold their farms because the Feds say you have no right to eat what you want to eat. This is all Obama. These things were NOT happening under Bush. Food freedom is a pretty crunchy issue.

Social security. Bi-partisan issue. Show the record. Deal sealed. Unless you're a Republican war-monger. Maximize the impact of the open primary by kicking off the General Election. Come out swinging against Obama on civil liberties, the war, the economy. Bring it home. Lot of veterans? talk about veterans' care, etc. DE-emphasize the polarizing social issues...

By your summation it's a lost cause so may as well give up. The nice thing about having an agile grassroots is that you can really fine-tune the message to certain demographics. You never know what's going to happen.

 

[Endthefednow]

If Ron Paul goes against Obama Ron Paul will win by a landslide, That is if the GOP and the DNC don`t join forces to make sure Ron Paul does not win

 

[PolicyReader]

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/03/10/republicans-ron-and-the-revolution/

Full article could be useful most useful bit I think is this

Self-identified Republicans represent just 27 percent of the electorate, compared with 31 percent who identify as Democrats and a record-high 40 percent who call themselves independents.

 

[PolicyReader]

recent states on the Latino vote make this even more pressing.

 

[emazur]

My suggestion would be to back it up with a few quotes, exerpts, references from polling companies to have a little credibility.

I have some on my youtube channel:

FEBRUARY:



JANUARY:



Pointing out Paul's electability is important, but maybe not that important - look at this from last month - says voters are going to Santorum b/c of "moral character" and "values" while "beating Obama" is 4th on the list of things they most care about:


You hear Rick Santorum talking about he was the son of a coal miner and all that but Ron Paul NEVER talks about himself, he always talks about ideas. I think this is why Santorum is gaining support. Paul should should mention much more often his marriage, family life, upbringing, military career (hell I had no idea he was a pilot until a month or two ago), and charitable medical work as mentioned in "The Compassion of Ron Paul" and here:


And it's not like he's incapable talking about himself - check out those breakfast with Ron Paul videos on youtube and CSPAN.

And besides electability and character/values, I personally think Paul needs to do a little fear mongering. Everyone knows Ron Paul is the only guy serious about making cuts to government. Even the news guys admit it - check out Jan Helfeld's many interviews. But what's not so well known is that by 2025, the entire Federal budget will be consumed by entitlements and interest on the debt. Paul needs to hammer down that statistic and point out how America will have NO money for defense, and if it ever gets to that point when we are all debt slaves, America will no longer be worth defending (but deliver it with more tact).

 

[PolicyReader]

great links/vids +rep

 

[Give me liberty]

Yup i agree with this +Rep to the thread OP

 

[cindy25]

easier to convince the Romney establishment delegates; at least they are rational. most of these social values voters lack common sense

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

Pointing out Paul's electability is important, but maybe not that important - look at this from last month - says voters are going to Santorum b/c of "moral character" and "values" while "beating Obama" is 4th on the list of things they most care about:

Horsesh!t! The ONLY, THE ONLY reason Romney is the "frontrunner" is because he's "electable" & "can beat Obama", if it wasn't for that meme then he'd be nowhere in the Republican primaries because a lot of Republicans simply hate the Massachusetts Moderate so YES, Ron is seen as ANTI-OBAMA then he'll definitely get a huge push on his way to the nomination

You hear Rick Santorum talking about he was the son of a coal miner and all that but Ron Paul NEVER talks about himself, he always talks about ideas. I think this is why Santorum is gaining support. Paul should should mention much more often his marriage, family life, upbringing, military career (hell I had no idea he was a pilot until a month or two ago), and charitable medical work as mentioned in "The Compassion of Ron Paul" and here:

I agree, Ron needs to bring out his "personal side" to the idiots, that's what they chew on, he needs to talk about "his faith" & so on; give the suckers what they want to hear & take the power & change things

I personally think Paul needs to do a little fear mongering. Everyone knows Ron Paul is the only guy serious about making cuts to government. Even the news guys admit it - check out Jan Helfeld's many interviews. But what's not so well known is that by 2025, the entire Federal budget will be consumed by entitlements and interest on the debt. Paul needs to hammer down that statistic and point out how America will have NO money for defense, and if it ever gets to that point when we are all debt slaves, America will no longer be worth defending (but deliver it with more tact).

AGREED, he DOES needs to fearmonger about the debt & what's going on in Greece & Europe & how big a problem the debt-crisis is; that's what Rand did, like Rand said, I ran on three points
1) Debt
2) Debt
3) The Debt

I wish he'd pull this pamphlet out of his pocket on one of these debates

If you want to simplify the debt problem, you could use calculation like this and integrate the cuts which RP proposes:

 

[Tinnuhana]

There's a video (or audio) floating around from a year or so ago, where Ron was asked if he'd consider another run for president. He said the only thing that would get him to run would be a great deterioration in the financial situation. That shows where he thinks things are headed.

 

[emazur]

From today:
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/publi...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

For the fourth consecutive day, Mitt Romney leads President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 matchup. Today's numbers show Romney attracting 46% of the vote, while Obama earns 43%. Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update).

If Ron Paul is the Republican nominee, he trails the president by one, 42% to 41%. If Rick Santorum heads the GOP ticket, the president has a three-point advantage, 46% to 43%. In a matchup with Newt Gingrich, Obama leads 46% to 40%. See tracking history for Obama vs. all four Republican candidates.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Ron's mentioned plenty of times at the debates he does the best against Obama, people know, and people don't care ("because he's not a real republican blah blah blah i'm a stupid fuck.")

If you want to get the old people on our side we have to convince them that Ron's foreign policy is right (good luck) and that Ron is actually the only one who will save Social Security.

The fact is old people in this country are too closed minded, too brain washed by the MSM, and too stupid to care that Ron polls the best vs Obama.

I think the best way to get Paul the nomination is to win California and make the argument Ron is the only one who can beat Obama there.

Ron wins California against Obama, Ron wins the election, PERIOD. There's no arguing against that... If Ron can show that he can win California then it's a whole new ballgame in my opinion.

We should put all the focus into winning that state.

 

[emazur]

Horsesh!t! The ONLY, THE ONLY reason Romney is the "frontrunner" is because he's "electable" & "can beat Obama", if it wasn't for that meme then he'd be nowhere in the Republican primaries because a lot of Republicans simply hate the Massachusetts Moderate so YES, Ron is seen as ANTI-OBAMA then he'll definitely get a huge push on his way to the nomination

Pointing out Paul's electability is important, but maybe not that important - look at this from last month - says voters are going to Santorum b/c of "moral character" and "values" while "beating Obama" is 4th on the list of things they most care about:

That video was from last month, this story is from 3 days ago and says the same thing. You're right in that "beating Obama" is a popularly stated reason and benefits Romney but that's not what's driving Santorum supporters:
How Santorum won the Alabama primary

As has been the case in every Republican primary or caucus held this year, beating Barack Obama in November is the most important quality Alabama voters were looking for in a candidate. But when asked which candidate would be most likely to do that, 46 percent chose Mitt Romney, and just 23 percent said Santorum was best positioned to win in November.

Santorum's appeal lay elsewhere: He won a large share of support from voters who said strong moral character was most important to them (getting 62 percent of their vote), and he won among those who were looking for a true conservative (with 51 percent of those voters' support).