[It's official] Justin Amash running for US Senate (R-MI)

[nobody's_hero]

I'm not gonna poo-poo Amash too much. He's a net benefit.

IMO he's better utilized in a state senate than speaking to podcasters who will barely break 1,000 views on youtube and giving pep talks in front of exclusive college libertarian treehouse clubs. Hopefully he can get better at picking his battles though. The impeachment sham was a pretty dumb sword to fall on.

 

[Anti Globalist]

If he thinks people have forgotten his support for the impeachment lies he is sorely mistaken.

People tend to forget a lot of things when it comes time for people to vote. That will be no different.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Oh the irony of people at Ron Paul Forums talking down his potential run because he won't win or isn't politically suited or whatever.

If Ron Paul himself reincarnated as a younger person, you'd have people complaining about him.

You have the most consistent supporter of liberty in the House potentially running for a US Senate seat and all you're worried about is concern that he isn't MAGA enough? Give me a effing break.

Even if he doesn't win he can at least make the case for not being a statist shatbag.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I agree with you that TDS is the explanation for crowds who loudly cheer for Trump.

LOL
Your gaslighting is too crude and gets worse every year.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh the irony of people at Ron Paul Forums talking down his potential run because he won't win or isn't politically suited or whatever.

If Ron Paul himself reincarnated as a younger person, you'd have people complaining about him.

You have the most consistent supporter of liberty in the House potentially running for a US Senate seat and all you're worried about is concern that he isn't MAGA enough? Give me a effing break.

Even if he doesn't win he can at least make the case for not being a statist shatbag.

Ron never sold out to the communists for an unconstitutional and fraudulent impeachment against a President for serving the interests of America.

 

[Swordsmyth]

People tend to forget a lot of things when it comes time for people to vote. That will be no different.

Dream on.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Ron never sold out to the communists for an unconstitutional and fraudulent impeachment against a President for serving the interests of America.

I find it most likely that Amash sold out to what he thought was truth. You're free to disagree with it, but he never showed any loyalty to "communists".

You just don't like what he did because of what side his pursuit of truth put him on. You would rather total loyalty to Trump.

 

[Matt Collins]

Oh the irony of people at Ron Paul Forums talking down his potential run because he won't win or isn't politically suited or whatever.

I think it would be better to have him in Congress than not, since he is indeed better than most. But the reality is that he did a lot of damage to himself making it a hard uphill climb.

You have the most consistent supporter of liberty in the House potentially running for a US Senate seat and all you're worried about is concern that he isn't MAGA enough? Give me a effing break.

Uh no. Justin is far from consistent. If you want consistency, Thomas Massie is the best example with Rand being a close 2nd.

People tend to forget a lot of things when it comes time for people to vote. That will be no different.

Friends come and go, enemies accumulate. Enemies don't forget, and they will use it in an election. Will Justin be able to overcome it? There is only one way to find out.

 

[TheCount]

I thought he was living in IL?

 

[Matt4Liberty]

I would love Justin to win the nomination. Let's be real though, he won't get the nomination. Nothing scares me more than Rogers winning since he was King neocon in congress while he was there. I was in his district at the time. Justin's lack of pragmatism probably cost him any chance. He should have stood up and fought for his ideals just like Massie did when they were trying to pass the COVID cash without a real vote. Instead he decided to vote for Trump impeachment under false pretenses just because he was upset with Trump's Palestine policy

 

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1749138600615125028

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Uh no. Justin is far from consistent. If you want consistency, Thomas Massie is the best example with Rand being a close 2nd. Friends come and go, enemies accumulate. Enemies don't forget, and they will use it in an election. Will Justin be able to overcome it? There is only one way to find out.

Justin is consistent on principle, not on allegiance.

Given that this principle tends to be "liberty", I would've thought it may be more popular around here. Maybe not...

 

[Matt4Liberty]

Justin is consistent on principle, not on allegiance.

Given that this principle tends to be "liberty", I would've thought it may be more popular around here. Maybe not...

I think he's plenty popular. In his role as a congressman he was great until he torpedoed himself with his TDS. As I stated earlier, he could have stood up like Massie did, be labeled a third rate grandstander but still be there and he could have been part of the conversation. Some pragmatism is necessary.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

I think he's plenty popular. In his role as a congressman he was great until he torpedoed himself with his TDS. As I stated earlier, he could have stood up like Massie did, be labeled a third rate grandstander but still be there and he could have been part of the conversation. Some pragmatism is necessary.

IMO, it was important that Amash made the vote he did on impeachment because it was the correct one and he didn't cuck himself for Trump. The idea that he is somehow deranged for that is ridiculous. Maybe he could've made more net positive contributions in the long run by voting differently, but I think his voice was a very important counterpoint to the Trump rearrangers (the real syndrome is Trump Rearrangement Syndrome, people like Swordsmyth who just try to apologize for every awful action that Trump makes).

 

[Matt4Liberty]

IMO, it was important that Amash made the vote he did on impeachment because it was the correct one and he didn't cuck himself for Trump. The idea that he is somehow deranged for that is ridiculous. Maybe he could've made more net positive contributions in the long run by voting differently, but I think his voice was a very important counterpoint to the Trump rearrangers (the real syndrome is Trump Rearrangement Syndrome, people like Swordsmyth who just try to apologize for every awful action that Trump makes).

Explain how this was correct. We'll all sit here and wait. Whatever your thoughts on Trump, only a deranged leftist could have gone ahead and supported those impeachment proceedings. There's plenty to criticize with Trump, but claiming he started an insurrection is something so comically laughable that it's hard to take anyone who made that claim the slightest bit serious.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Explain how this was correct. We'll all sit here and wait. Whatever your thoughts on Trump, only a deranged leftist could have gone ahead and supported those impeachment proceedings. There's plenty to criticize with Trump, but claiming he started an insurrection is something so comically laughable that it's hard to take anyone who made that claim the slightest bit serious.

Justin Amash explained how it was correct, so I don't even have to.

You know, the guy who went into the most detail to explain every vote that he made.

Maybe if you actually read straight from the horse's mouth you wouldn't make up absurd Trump Rearrangement revisionism like "he decided to vote for Trump impeachment under false pretenses just because he was upset with Trump's Palestine policy".

 

[Swordsmyth]

I find it most likely that Amash sold out to what he thought was truth. You're free to disagree with it, but he never showed any loyalty to "communists".

You just don't like what he did because of what side his pursuit of truth put him on. You would rather total loyalty to Trump.

The impeachments were based on blatant lies and were in service not only of getting rid of Trump for opposing the ruling cabal but also to position us for the Ukraine farce.

 

[Matt Collins]

Justin is consistent on principle, not on allegiance.

Given that this principle tends to be "liberty", I would've thought it may be more popular around here. Maybe not...

He lost me when he started supporting a UBI. And then he started supporting other idiotic woke / socialistic sort of things because of his TDS made him blind to policy just because he hated Trump.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

The impeachments were based on blatant lies and were in service not only of getting rid of Trump for opposing the ruling cabal but also to position us for the Ukraine farce.

Regardless of your personal position on the impeachments, Amash's position is that impeachments are the presidential analogy to indictments. And if you can "indict a ham sandwich" as the old adage goes, then it made tons of sense to indict Trump.

He believes that presidents should be subject to the same kinds of checks on criminal behavior as ordinary citizens, and should be impeached more often.

This to me is a great position but of course R's only like this when D's are in power and D's only like it when R's are in power.

He lost me when he started supporting a UBI. And then he started supporting other idiotic woke / socialistic sort of things because of his TDS made him blind to policy just because he hated Trump.

He explained his reasoning really well. IF a government is hell-bent on giving handouts, cash at least gives freedom to its recipients. This is as an alternative to the typical "social safety net".

This whole "Amash changed because of TDS" is imaginary when he was actually the sane one seeing Trump for the blowhard conman that he was.

 

[Matt Collins]

He explained his reasoning really well. IF a government is hell-bent on giving handouts, cash at least gives freedom to its recipients. This is as an alternative to the typical "social safety net".

If you believe in either/and/or liberty and the Constitution, that's the wrong answer.

This whole "Amash changed because of TDS" is imaginary when he was actually the sane one seeing Trump for the blowhard conman that he was.

Trump did some good things and some bad things. He is good on some issues and bad on others. But it was very obvious that Justin started having TDS and it became more about personality than policy. Thomas and Rand handled it well (up until recently when Thomas started going slightly down the same path) and Justin should have followed their lead. But instead he came off like a whining child and started acting like he was woke. It was embarrassing and idiotic.