Islamic State fighters: "We will drown all of you in blood.''

[thoughtomator]

I hope you see what I'm getting at because it doesn't appear that you understand you're talking someone's (your own, that of a faction, or some other) book - but I spotted it right away.

In contrast, I have no vested interest in seeing my government involved in mischief all over the globe, nor to be saddled with the corruption that brings home. If my theory was wrong, I'd be fucking thrilled.

There are just way too many data points and way too much 'pattern and practice' not to be able to connect the dots. I have no interest in the outcome here - but it is clear that you do.

 

[Muwahid]

You found one point which may or may not be legitimately disputable.

The fundamental problem with the call to authority is that authorities can AND DO lie.

You're talking about Jahbat Nusra? No it's not disputable, they never made a pledge of allegiance to Baghdadi and they still clash. If they did it would be huge news, since Jahbat Nusra are loyal to Aymen al Zawahiri. Your other statements weren't even evidence to support your claim. For example ISIS not attacking it's other neighbors as proof that it's a US funded front for terror... you seriously consider that a strong inductive argument.

And if you know about argumentum ad verecundiam you would know there are criteria for which it is a valid argument, and criteria for which it is invalid. But argument from authority is not an invalid form of argumentation. That's just false, and I've already cited a university page as academic proof. If one claimed something is "absolutely true" based on an authority, this is fallacious... but we're dealing with cogency and informal logic. A good authoritative source can create a cogent inductive argument.

As I mentioned previously, anything outside the context of your limited belief system, you need to explain away with voodoo since you can't deal with truth straight-up. You continue to confirm that hypothesis.

Err right. That's quite the logical analysis.

Here's a small sample of your proof. Fuck you for wasting my time fetching what you could have gotten for yourself in seconds.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-iraq-saudi-qatar-idUSBREA2806S20140309
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-funding-us-allies-2014-6
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/20/us-iraq-security-germany-qatar-idUSKBN0GK1I720140820
http://www.dw.de/who-finances-isis/a-17720149
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Le...ran-gulf-states-will-regret-funding-isis.ashx

etc. etc. which you could have found trivially if you had the slightest interest in the truth.

That's why you're a troll. You demand others do extensive sourcing on every little detail but you won't put in 30 seconds to find out the truth of something for yourself.

A couple notes before I reply
1 - Insults are not necessery
2- You claim it only would have taken me a few seconds, but then claim you wasted your time and dubbed it "extensive sourcing". No need for dramatization.

Now I clicked on the first link and saw Nouri Al Maliki accusing the gulf states of sponsoring terrorism. Proof given? None. So why am I obligated to believe it? Also don't you realize how much the Shia Maliki hates the Sunni Saudis? This is a biased person to cite as "proof".

The second link I notice claims much of ISIS is funded from gulf donors, which I wouldn't dispute. But these are private citizens. It doesn't imply the governments themselves (aka puppets for America) are directly supporting them.

The third is the same as the aforementioned one, with a title saying "ISIS Is Likely Receiving Funding From People Living In Countries Allied With The US", we're not discussing this, we're discussing state sponsored terrorism, not what private citizens donate.

The fourth link I've already quoted from to refute you

Mueller did not elaborate and presented no evidence of a Qatari link to Islamic State. A German government spokesman said he was checking whether Mueller's remarks reflected the official view of Berlin.

Again I asked, why am I obligated to believe a person who provides no proof?

The fifth shows within the article varying opinions but of course its all conjecture. It's quoting Maliki, again, no evidence.

Last link is Hezbollah, a proxy for Iran. Wow, they accuse Saudia of doing something wrong. Proof given? None.

Conclusion: No proof. Weak inductive argument.

 

[Muwahid]

Why don't you give the information you know is important? Do you think Americans are that stupid as not to be able to tell one Arab from the next? Which faction are you aligned with?

What?

 

[69360]

In the Vietnam war, US soldiers were known to take Chinese AK47's off dead NVA and VC soldiers and use them instead of the M16. Obviously the Chinese government was funding and training US troops right? War is a nasty thing, weapons get captured and fighters use what they have and/or what works best. Stinger missiles and anti tank weapons don't require any special training, they are point and shoot. They were purposely designed that way.

This thread is particularly annoying to me because we have some people who just WANT everything to be a US government conspiracy and don't really understand the intricacies of the region vs. somebody who very obviously does understand what is going on in Iraq/Syria and has presented that well.

RPF has a nasty habit sometimes of fingers in ears, it's a US government conspiracy your argument is invalid.

 

[pcosmar]

Why don't you give the information you know is important? Do you think Americans are that stupid as not to be able to tell one Arab from the next? Which faction are you aligned with?

I do.. I have heard enough of them spewing the MSM warmongering bullshit.

 

[thoughtomator]

In the Vietnam war, US soldiers were known to take Chinese AK47's off dead NVA and VC soldiers and use them instead of the M16. Obviously the Chinese government was funding and training US troops right? War is a nasty thing, weapons get captured and fighters use what they have and/or what works best. Stinger missiles and anti tank weapons don't require any special training, they are point and shoot. They were purposely designed that way.

And your explanation for ISIS soldiers knowing how to use M1 Abrams tanks the moment they captured them?

This thread is particularly annoying to me because we have some people who just WANT everything to be a US government conspiracy and don't really understand the intricacies of the region vs. somebody who very obviously does understand what is going on in Iraq/Syria and has presented that well.

Your assertion that people want these things to be US government conspiracies is simply flat-out wrong. Nobody wants it. We have learned to expect it, however, from a record so extensive that anyone who denies it and/or doesn't take it into account in their analysis is willfully ignorant at best.

RPF has a nasty habit sometimes of fingers in ears, it's a US government conspiracy your argument is invalid.

An unsurprising conclusion from someone who can't see a conspiracy when it's out in the open. Another coincidence theorist, what a surprise.

 

[thoughtomator]

I do.. I have heard enough of them spewing the MSM warmongering bullshit.

Can't argue with that, but not all of us are infected with that disease. An Arab feigning ignorance of what faction he adheres to... yet he has all this knowledge about factionalism in the Arab world... not hard to add two and two and get "ulterior motive" out of that. Completely unable to see outside the lens of his native faction, he doesn't even seem to understand that the assumptions on which he is basing his view are colored and informed by his faction.

Naturally, as a Sunni Muslim, he can't process any information that might be positive for Shiites (the ones who ISIS are primarily at war with).

Mere days after ISIS invades Lebanon for the first time, here he is pretending that ISIS doesn't want to make any more enemies and that invading another country would be illogical. Never mind that they just did that and continuously promise to do so again.

His outlook IS perfectly logical - from an extremely limited and constrained point of view in which the supremacy of his faction is the unspoken-yet-overriding priority. Not sharing that priority, it looks like a mountain of self-promoting bullshit from here.

 

[69360]

And your explanation for ISIS soldiers knowing how to use M1 Abrams tanks the moment they captured them?



Your assertion that people want these things to be US government conspiracies is simply flat-out wrong. Nobody wants it. We have learned to expect it, however, from a record so extensive that anyone who denies it and/or doesn't take it into account in their analysis is willfully ignorant at best.



An unsurprising conclusion from someone who can't see a conspiracy when it's out in the open. Another coincidence theorist, what a surprise.

You're joking right? I'm sure IS fighters know how to drive a car. A tank isn't a whole lot different and how to operate one is readily available on the internet.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+drive+an+M1+tank


Some of you thrive on conspiracies, it's very obvious.

 

[thoughtomator]

You're joking right? I'm sure IS fighters know how to drive a car. A tank isn't a whole lot different and how to operate one is readily available on the internet.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+drive+an+M1+tank

The US Army disagrees:
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a159289.pdf

Some of you thrive on conspiracies, it's very obvious.

You thrive on excuse-making, denial, and apologia. It's very obvious.

 

[MaxHen]

In the Vietnam war, US soldiers were known to take Chinese AK47's off dead NVA and VC soldiers and use them instead of the M16. Obviously the Chinese government was funding and training US troops right? War is a nasty thing, weapons get captured and fighters use what they have and/or what works best. Stinger missiles and anti tank weapons don't require any special training, they are point and shoot. They were purposely designed that way.

This thread is particularly annoying to me because we have some people who just WANT everything to be a US government conspiracy and don't really understand the intricacies of the region vs. somebody who very obviously does understand what is going on in Iraq/Syria and has presented that well.

RPF has a nasty habit sometimes of fingers in ears, it's a US government conspiracy your argument is invalid.

I gave you a link from a reputable news source showing that the CIA trained ISIS militias to fight in Syria. You can't just dismiss that as a conspiracy theory...

 

[thoughtomator]

I gave you a link from a reputable news source showing that the CIA trained ISIS militias to fight in Syria. You can't just dismiss that as a conspiracy theory...

Sure they can. They threw honesty out the window a long time ago, which permits dismissing contradictory evidence that strikes right at the heart of their theories, as well as the refusal to acknowledge it.

Think my evidence on Qatari funding of ISIS changed the minds of these two? I'd wager neither one spent 30 seconds reviewing the evidence, since it didn't comport with their goals.

 

[Origanalist]

I am. But if America felt it necessary to wipe my people out, I'd never call myself American again.

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Eh, what?

 

[Origanalist]

John McCain and Lindsay Grahams lovemaking sessions must be getting pretty heated these days. Exciting times for neo-cons.

 

[navy-vet]

So go do it, you bunch of murderous bastards. And pay for it out of your own pockets....and if there is a hell, expect to rot in it.

Edmund Burke said evil flourishes when good men do nothing. And if there ever was an evil that has stalked this earth then this most definitely is it, reincarnated ten fold. It may very well be something that we have inadvertently unleashed upon the innocent children of the desert, who are now being hunted, raped, decapitated, and / or buried alive. For any fault of our own if not for the simple fact that we can perhaps stop it....don't you think we should at least try?

 

[acptulsa]

I, for one, don't think for a second that these people are unaffiliated with the CIA. It makes no sense.

They're calling the U.S. military down on their own heads? Really? Are they trying to drown us in their blood? Because they have a better chance of making that happen than anything else.

I say these videos are filmed under a false flag. And I say it's time we stopped falling for this crap.

 

[thoughtomator]

Edmund Burke said evil flourishes when good men do nothing. And if there ever was an evil that has stalked this earth then this most definitely is it, reincarnated ten fold. It may very well be something that we have inadvertently unleashed upon the innocent children of the desert, who are now being hunted, raped, decapitated, and / or buried alive. For any fault of our own if not for the simple fact that we can perhaps stop it....don't you think we should at least try?

I propose the first thing we try is to stop funding and training them.

 

[bolil]

Edmund Burke said evil flourishes when good men do nothing. And if there ever was an evil that has stalked this earth then this most definitely is it, reincarnated ten fold. It may very well be something that we have inadvertently unleashed upon the innocent children of the desert, who are now being hunted, raped, decapitated, and / or buried alive. For any fault of our own if not for the simple fact that we can perhaps stop it....don't you think we should at least try?

Yeah, we heard that shit before. Then a couple hundred thousand innocent deaths later you're honestly willing to come with that tired shit. It is most certainly shit, as it has been consumed before. Once consumed, then defecated, and you would feed it to us again.

 

[navy-vet]

Yeah, we heard that shit before. Then a couple hundred thousand innocent deaths later you're honestly willing to come with that tired shit. It is most certainly shit, as it has been consumed before. Once consumed, then defecated, and you would feed it to us again.

Your filthy foul mouth (boil) contradicts your blatantly false humanitarian position here. I wouldn't at all be surprised if we were to learn that you, as well as a few others in here were on the ISIS cyber payroll...

I agree with those in here who speak sense in regards to our "limited involvement" and I don't advocate putting any more troops in harms way. Strike the monsters from the air as is reasonable, drop supplies and weapons to the Kurds, and stay out of Syria. Let the Kurds pay for the weapons and supplies accordingly.

And would somebody please give Amy back her five bucks for her contribution here for heavens sake.

 

[Muwahid]

Sure they can. They threw honesty out the window a long time ago, which permits dismissing contradictory evidence that strikes right at the heart of their theories, as well as the refusal to acknowledge it.

Think my evidence on Qatari funding of ISIS changed the minds of these two? I'd wager neither one spent 30 seconds reviewing the evidence, since it didn't comport with their goals.

What evidence? A few politicians claimed GCC are funding IS, no proof was given. Most of those claiming there's a link, are also Iranian backed. There's clear and evident bias.

Posting an article that says something is true is not evidence. In some of the articles posted, they even stated no evidence was given. It's funny how conspiracists would scoff at articles given which don't support their own world view because the media is corrupt.

How about this thoughtomator, I will find you thousands of articles which quote from hundreds of officials which claim 9/11 was carried out by Al Qaeda. Would you consider this proof or not? You will probably say "they prove nothing!", "they're lying!"... so then why do you expect me to believe with no concrete evidence, claims of Nouri al Maliki or Hezbollah?

 

[thoughtomator]

What evidence? A few politicians claimed GCC are funding IS, no proof was given. Most of those claiming there's a link, are also Iranian backed. There's clear and evident bias.

Posting an article that says something is true is not evidence. In some of the articles posted, they even stated no evidence was given. It's funny how conspiracists would scoff at articles given which don't support their own world view because the media is corrupt.

How about this thoughtomator, I will find you thousands of articles which quote from hundreds of officials which claim 9/11 was carried out by Al Qaeda. Would you consider this proof or not? You will probably say "they prove nothing!", "they're lying!"... so then why do you expect me to believe with no concrete evidence, claims of Nouri al Maliki or Hezbollah?

You couldn't be admitting more clearly that you are here to troll, and that there is no standard of "proof" that would introduce the slightest doubt into the conclusions you have pre-formed on the matter.