The Donald's Assassination of General Soleimani – As Stupid as It Gets

dannno said:
No.

It was probably legal, it might have been illegal based on some technicality or interpretation, but it could have just as easily gone through legal channels and it was certainly not immoral - and it made the world a much better place. So it probably isn't really worth dwelling on too much.
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If it was so freaking legal then Trump should have had no problem explaining it to the Senate briefing that Rand Paul and Mike Lee called the worst they had ever seen.
 
dannno said:
My position is that it is debatable whether what Trump did was illegal because of Soleimani's past actions and what he had planned to carry out (not just in his head, not a pre-crime, but actually had the equipment and was in the process of carrying out the crime.. on the battlefield.. sorta like if the guy has a gun, he texts his friend that he is going to go murder somebody, and the cops catch him driving to the guy's house with a loaded gun...)

However, even if on some technicality it still crossed the line, say, it required letters of mark and reprisal, that it was not incredibly egregious partly because that is sort of an ancient concept - I think it is a good concept that should be restored - but it just isn't something that has been done in.. how long?? But also partly because I see no reason why those shouldn't have been able to be attained if requested based on the circumstances.

In other words, it is not something that I see as clearly egregious, it is sort of in a gray zone, but what we ended up with was most certainly a good outcome.
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I am and have been the Iraq invasion from the start. That being said it seems to me the guy was on the battlefield, not in Iran, planning attacks on US troops who admittedly have no business being there in the first place. We have done far more illegal assassinations like Salvador Allende and other foreign leaders in the interest of keeping the world safe for US corporations.

I ponder now that we have two happy outcomes, one we are getting kicked out of Iraq, and two AUMF war powers are getting clipped, LONG overdue. I know it is crazy to say this, but is Trump that smart? Naw, just the bull in the china shop happened to knock over the right vases. That's why we wanted Trump. Knock it all down. Drain the swamp. If our troops come home, no matter how it happened, that is only one thing: good.
 
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James_Madison_Lives said:
I ponder now that we have two happy outcomes, one we are getting kicked out of Iraq, and two AUMF war powers are getting clipped, LONG overdue. I know it is crazy to say this, but is Trump that smart? Naw, just the bull in the china shop happened to knock over the right vases.
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I believe Trump was pushing this on purpose, that way when he pulls the troops out this time he can say, "look, congress is passing this bill, we can't stay there anyway".

They will try a false flag again, but the white hats are becoming more powerful and should be able to stop it.
 
jmdrake said:
If it was so freaking legal then Trump should have had no problem explaining it to the Senate briefing that Rand Paul and Mike Lee called the worst they had ever seen.
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Trump wasn't at the Senate briefing. Trump's neocon cabinet and such were there.
 
James_Madison_Lives said:
I am and have been the Iraq invasion from the start. That being said it seems to me the guy was on the battlefield, not in Iran, planning attacks on US troops who admittedly have no business being there in the first place. We have done far more illegal assassinations like Salvador Allende and other foreign leaders in the interest of keeping the world safe for US corporations.

I ponder now that we have two happy outcomes, one we are getting kicked out of Iraq, and two AUMF war powers are getting clipped, LONG overdue. I know it is crazy to say this, but is Trump that smart? Naw, just the bull in the china shop happened to knock over the right vases. That's why we wanted Trump. Knock it all down. Drain the swamp. If our troops come home, no matter how it happened, that is only one thing: good.
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Are you sure about all that? All I'm seeing is smoke and mirrors.
 
jmdrake said:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to angelatc again.

We've gone from conspiracy theories that undercut the argument for war (9/11 inside job) to conspiracy theories that prop up arguments for war (even though on the surface killing a guest of our supposed allies in Iraq was a stupid and unconstitutional war provocation...it's okay because he supposedly worked for the CIA because some inbred on YouTube said so.)
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Covered.
 
TheTexan said:
Was General Soleimani ever in the US? If he had ever crossed US state lines, the assassination could be constitutionally justified by the Commerce Clause.
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+1 for Commerce Clause. General welfare and security of the people too, brah.
 
dannno said:
Trump wasn't at the Senate briefing. Trump's neocon cabinet and such were there.
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Trump had the opportunity to go himself if he wanted to. And his neocon cabinet is who talked him into this stupid move.
 
jmdrake said:
Yeah. Because the same neocon Pentagon that can't be trusted to tell the Senate the real reason for the strike can at the same time be trusted to explain what really happened in Iran.
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Even if we didn't do it, they undoubtedly shot it down while on a state of high alert. Fuck violence, and the people who advocate for it.
 
Todd said:
Who would have ever thunk that Danno would be among several newby members led by a Trump Shill that would create a narrative paradigm shift at Ron Paul Forums where "The means justify the Ends".
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Perhaps the handle name has nothing in common with the creator of the handle name? Anybody could be posting now under old handle names. It's just a login name, after all.
 
Personally I find the war between the US and Iran less than convincing. The 3 January assassination of General Qasem Soleimani doesn’t really change this.

In 1979, the ruthless Islamic extremist regime of Ayatollah Khomeini was installed by Anglo-American intelligence, and Iran has been very good to the big oil corporations ever since: https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1583#p5956


Current Iranian President Hassan Rouhani is another crooked lawyer.
Not all of the information in the following article is confirmed by the “independent” Wikipedia (and I haven’t been able to confirm everything)….
Rouhani changed his family name from Fereidun (or Fereydoun or Fereydun).

In 1970s, Rouhani was educated in England, learning textile design and English.

In the 1990s, Rouhani studied for 6 years at the privately owned Caledonian University in Glasgow, Scotland, which gave him a PhD in “Islamic law” (in 1999).
This was arranged by none other by Jack Straw (Secretary of various offices in the British government for most of 1997 to 2010): https://www.orient-news.net/en/news_show/136332/Irans-sham-elections
(http://archive.is/8LDwB)


In 2014, Tehran’s only Jewish hospital, the Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center, received $400,000 from the government of President Hassan Rouhani.
The cash was delivered by Rouhani’s brother, Hossein Fereydoon: http://web.archive.org/save/https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/world/middleeast/iran-delivers-surprise-money-to-jewish-hospital.html?ref=world&_r=0


During the Anglo-American orchestrated Islamic coup of 1979, the Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center was one of the very few (the only) that helped the wounded “revolutionaries” without reporting them to the notorious SAVAK.
Ayatollah Khomeini himself wrote a personal thank you note to the hospital after the coup succeeded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Sapir_Hospital_and_Charity_Center


Mohammad Zarif is another lawyer, who was the Foreign Affairs Minister in Iran from July 2013 to February 2019.
In 1977, when he was a teenager, Zarif left Iran to study in the US. Zarif attended private college-preparatory high school Drew College Preparatory School in San Francisco, California. He later studied at San Francisco State University, from which he gained a Master degree in 1982.

In San Francisco, Zarif joined the Islamic Student Association and made friends who later became political figures in Iran, including the brother of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, Iranian president from 1989 to 1997.

Zarif continued his studies at the Josef Korbel School of International Studies, University of Denver, from which he obtained a Ph.D. in international law and policy in 1988: https://www.france24.com/en/20190226-zarif-irans-veteran-diplomat-who-crafted-nuclear-deal
(http://archive.is/aUuub)


After the seizure of the US embassy in Tehran by Islamist students in 1979, Zarif was sent to shut down Iran's consulate in San Francisco.
Both of his children were born in the United States.

Zarif later protested at the Iranian mission to the United Nations, where the Iranian ambassador to the United Nations offered him a job in May 1982.

Zarif has spent more time with John Kerry than any other foreign minister in the world: https://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/03/middleeast/irans-foreign-minister-six-things-to-know/index.html


Zarif was Iran's representative at the UN from 2002 to 2007


In 2016, Zarif with John Kerry shared the Chatham House Prize (awarded by the Royal Institute of International Affairs, a.k.a. Chatham House): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Javad_Zarif


See Bonesmen George W. Bush and John Kerry outside the Skull & Bones crypt, circa 1966.
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Qasem Soleimani wasn’t the first high Iranian official that was silenced for knowing too much or being a threat to the Iranian regime.

In 1977, Hassan Rouhani delivered the eulogy for Khomeini’s dead son, who supposedly committed “suicide”.

In 1992, Rouhani’s son reportedly committed “suicide” by shooting himself with his father’s pistol.
According to Seyed Hossein Mousavian, who was very familiar with Rouhani, Rouhani’s son was assassinated on a military base in southern Tehran “on political grounds”.

In June 2001, Leila Pahlavi, daughter of the Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi who died in Egypt, also supposedly committed “suicide”.

In 2011, Alireza Pahlavi, son of the former shah of Iran, also died of a reported “suicide”.
Alireza Pahlavi was also educated in the US. He obtained a B.A. from Princeton University in 1984 and a masters degree from Columbia University in 1992 and later attended Harvard University: https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/rouhani-son-suicide-blamed-fathers-extremism/
(http://archive.is/8OOUW)
 
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Firestarter said:
Personally I find the war between the US and Iran less than convincing.
In 1979, the ruthless Islamic extremist regime of Ayatollah Khomeini was installed by Anglo-American intelligence, and Iran has been very good to the big oil corporations ever since: https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1583#p5956

The 3 January assassination of General Qasem Soleimani doesn’t really change this.
See Soleimani with the US army.
Soleimani%2Bhanging%2Bout%2Bwith%2BIraqi%2Band%2BUS%2Bforces.jpg



Current Iranian President Hassan Rouhani is another crooked lawyer.
Not all of the information in the following article is confirmed by the “independent” Wikipedia (and I haven’t been able to confirm everything)….
Rouhani changed his family name from Fereidun (or Fereydoun or Fereydun).

In 1970s, Rouhani was educated in England, learning textile design and English.

In the 1990s, Rouhani studied for 6 years at the privately owned Caledonian University in Glasgow, Scotland, which gave him a PhD in “Islamic law” (in 1999).
This was arranged by none other by Jack Straw (Secretary of various offices in the British government for most of 1997 to 2010): https://www.orient-news.net/en/news_show/136332/Irans-sham-elections
(http://archive.is/8LDwB)


In 2014, Tehran’s only Jewish hospital, the Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center, received $400,000 from the government of President Hassan Rouhani.
The cash was delivered by Rouhani’s brother, Hossein Fereydoon: http://web.archive.org/save/https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/world/middleeast/iran-delivers-surprise-money-to-jewish-hospital.html?ref=world&_r=0


During the Anglo-American orchestrated Islamic coup of 1979, the Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center was one of the very few (the only) that helped the wounded “revolutionaries” without reporting them to the notorious SAVAK.
Ayatollah Khomeini himself wrote a personal thank you note to the hospital after the coup succeeded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Sapir_Hospital_and_Charity_Center


Mohammad Zarif is another lawyer, who was the Foreign Affairs Minister in Iran from July 2013 to February 2019.
In 1977, when he was a teenager, Zarif left Iran to study in the US. Zarif attended private college-preparatory high school Drew College Preparatory School in San Francisco, California. He later studied at San Francisco State University, from which he gained a Master degree in 1982.

In San Francisco, Zarif joined the Islamic Student Association and made friends who later became political figures in Iran, including the brother of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, Iranian president from 1989 to 1997.

Zarif continued his studies at the Josef Korbel School of International Studies, University of Denver, from which he obtained a Ph.D. in international law and policy in 1988: https://www.france24.com/en/20190226-zarif-irans-veteran-diplomat-who-crafted-nuclear-deal
(http://archive.is/aUuub)


After the seizure of the US embassy in Tehran by Islamist students in 1979, Zarif was sent to shut down Iran's consulate in San Francisco.
Both of his children were born in the United States.

Zarif later protested at the Iranian mission to the United Nations, where the Iranian ambassador to the United Nations offered him a job in May 1982.

Zarif has spent more time with John Kerry than any other foreign minister in the world: https://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/03/middleeast/irans-foreign-minister-six-things-to-know/index.html


Zarif was Iran's representative at the UN from 2002 to 2007


In 2016, Zarif with John Kerry shared the Chatham House Prize (awarded by the Royal Institute of International Affairs, a.k.a. Chatham House): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Javad_Zarif


See Bonesmen George W. Bush and John Kerry outside the Skull & Bones crypt, circa 1966.
07d3ae866765a6c5d6c8.jpeg



Qasem Soleimani wasn’t the first high Iranian official that was silenced for knowing too much or being a threat to the Iranian regime.

In 1977, Hassan Rouhani delivered the eulogy for Khomeini’s dead son, who supposedly committed “suicide”.

In 1992, Rouhani’s son reportedly committed “suicide” by shooting himself with his father’s pistol.
According to Seyed Hossein Mousavian, who was very familiar with Rouhani, Rouhani’s son was assassinated on a military base in southern Tehran “on political grounds”.

In June 2001, Leila Pahlavi, daughter of the Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi who died in Egypt, also supposedly committed “suicide”.

In 2011, Alireza Pahlavi, son of the former shah of Iran, also died of a reported “suicide”.
Alireza Pahlavi was also educated in the US. He obtained a B.A. from Princeton University in 1984 and a masters degree from Columbia University in 1992 and later attended Harvard University: https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/rouhani-son-suicide-blamed-fathers-extremism/
(http://archive.is/8OOUW)
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At least get some pics that were professionally photoshopped.


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And where were all of you when Obama was Droning?

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-iran-democrats-suffering-mass-180817867.html

I have spent the past 20 or so New Years’ Eves glued to the SyFy channel’s “Twilight Zone” marathon. My wife and I love the writing, the plots and picking out famous actors in their one-off roles for the classic television series.

Maybe I’ll write an episode of my own, complete with a Rod Serling-worthy opening monologue: “The year is 2017. Donald Trump is inaugurated as president of the United States, and mass amnesia has washed over America. Half the country can no longer remember anything that happened before Jan. 20. The former president, Barack Obama, is literally sitting right there. Yet, his own party cannot remember one thing about his eight years …”
Obama memory hole

It is one of the strangest phenomena of the Trump era — the memory-holing of Obama’s executive powers. Democrats continuously act as though they’ve just fallen off the Washington turnip wagon when Trump does anything.

Trump’s illegal immigration policies are draconian! He’s deporting too many, they screamed, forgetting that … Obama deported more. A lot more. And, you know those cages on the southern border? Obama built them, not Trump.

Trump’s defying congressional subpoenas! No president has ever stonewalled Congress, they screamed, forgetting that Obama’s attorney general, Eric Holder, was held in contempt of Congress for … defying subpoenas related to the "Fast and Furious" gun operation scandal. There were at least eight other times when Obama’s administration defied congressional oversight, even preventing people from testifying (sound familiar?).

More from Scott Jennings: Which 2020 Democrat can beat Donald Trump? Don't bet on Biden, Warren or Sanders.

When Trump announced his “America First” policy during his inaugural, Democrats apparently took it as literally as one can.

Now, they howl over Trump’s latest outrage: The airstrike that killed Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, the general who was in Iraq fomenting attacks against the U.S. Embassy and, evidently, plotting future hits on American targets.

Washington Democrats whined about Trump authorizing a drone strike without their notification or consent. This, after Obama authorized at least 2,800 drone strikes in Iraq and Syria without congressional approval.
Obama's drone strikes

“When Obama accepted the Nobel Peace Prize in December 2009, he had authorized more drone strikes than George W. Bush had approved during his entire presidency. By his third year in office, Obama had approved the killings of twice as many suspected terrorists as had ever been imprisoned (at) Guantanamo Bay,” Newsweek reported.

Obama practically invented modern push-button warfare, for goodness’ sake! Eventually, the American people will have to choose between partisan disingenuousness or rank stupidity to explain Democratic reaction to Trump’s perfectly precedented decisions.

On Iran, Trump made a bold choice and sent a strong message that we aren’t going to take the regime’s provocations and hostility anymore. Obama sent them pallets of cash. Trump sent an MQ-9 Reaper.

Anyone who knows how this will all shake out is lying. They don’t. But the commander in chief took out the world’s most notorious terrorist, one with plenty of American blood on his hands. Trump is the good guy here, not the terrorist.

Yet, Democrats couldn’t wait to pounce. How many statements included perfunctory “yeah, Soleimani was a bad guy, but … ” construction before hammering Trump?

Here’s a pro tip: If your statement has a “but” in the middle (I’m looking at you, Elizabeth Warren), just eliminate the throat-clearing, political pablum that came before it and say what you really mean. We get it: Iranian Guy Bad, Orange Man Worse.

This attitude will cost Democrats in the upcoming election. Not just on foreign policy, but across the board (they speak of the economy as though we are in another Great Depression). They just can’t give Trump an inch no matter how safe or prosperous the world is, thanks at least in part to the president’s decisions.

It hasn’t always been this way. After the death of Osama bin Laden, Republicans praised Obama’s decision to get him.

“Former Vice President Dick Cheney declared, ‘The administration clearly deserves credit for the success of the operation.’ New York’s former mayor, Rudolph W. Giuliani, said, ‘I admire the courage of the president.’ And Donald J. Trump declared, ‘I want to personally congratulate President Obama,’ ” according to The New York Times.

But no such allowance is given to President Trump when he kills a terrorist. As commentator Guy Benson tweeted, “The U.S. auto industry is alive, and (Abu Bakr) Baghdadi/Soleimani are dead,” referencing the Islamic State leader Trump had killed a few months ago and recalling Obama’s reelection slogan.

Or, as Rod Serling might say, “Democrats will soon wake up from their amnesia to an old lesson: Past is prologue. And it’s a Shakespearean seminar most acutely taken … in The Twilight Zone.”
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dannno said:
You should probably watch the video, instead of turning it off after four sentences.
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You source mike cernovich who is also associations with Mossad and jewish mob.

You and SS are either being paid or following people who have been paid to twist the truth.

Greg mannarino exposed dave and x22 report
 
jon4liberty said:
You source mike cernovich who is also associations with Mossad and jewish mob.

You and SS are either being paid or following people who have been paid to twist the truth.

Greg mannarino exposed dave and x22 report
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Link please
 
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