Is this true?

[Austin]

I have an idea.. Let's wait for the official word from Trevor himself?

Eh, eh?

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't know, I'm a music promoter as well, and from that perspective he seems to be making the right decsions from my perspective.

There's that word again. "My". The very same perspective that Trevor uses when he makes unilateral decisions for all of the grassroots.

 

[AlexMerced]

I have an idea.. Let's wait for the official word from Trevor himself?

Eh, eh?

+1

 

[steph3n]

He has also badly overstepped his boundaries on more than one occasion and "I see not reason why he wouldn't continue to do so."

i don't see how he overstepped honestly he was getting donations to the campaign the goalis to get ron paul elected and all the donations went to the campaign!

 

[voytechs]

ummm... a sacred email list... seriously, I sign up for 50 different email lists a day, if someone really wanted thos emails they would be hard to find by just looking at forum profile or a google search, seriously.

Ok, He's never used the email list for non-RP reasons, and apolgized for the RRL mailing, he's resolved not do it again and he's a sincere RP supporter.

Plus, do you want the blimp or not.

Plus no where does it say he's using any email addresses for anything... jesus you guys are quick to crucify

Again, Trevor has establish seperate mailing lists for each fundraiser, and I see no reason why he wouldn't continue to do so.

Now, I'm not jumping to conclusions. I've read the blimp site and yes I want a blimp, really really badly. The FNMM article I read sheds a totally different light on this and that is what I was asking, not trying to flame Trevor.

And the article specifically says about using the emailing list to solicit for other candidates. You did not provide a good answer to my question but another user above has, and I think I'm satisfied.

i think this is the wrong way to look at it.
i feel that it is him creating an environment where all US citizens can buy efforts instead of donating. This means that there are no rules like with donations. The guy has started a company for the good of the cause!!!
now how awesome is that?!
instead of buying adds at the regular MSM, you can buy 'airtime' with the blimp. It is a move of a genius if you ask me!
Next to that, if all goes well, and supporters do buy loads of 'airtime' it should be wise even if he gets himself on the payroll of the newly founded company. That would mean he can work fulltime for the Ron Paul R3VOLution for an endless time. Also as pointed out before very well by ggibson1, it is about creating positions for ourselves, so we can get influencial outside the normal government aswell. A revolution can't be channeled in politics only. It has to reach out in more aspects of society

I can agree with that. I think the FMNN article is misleading and really paints the wrong picture.

 

[voytechs]

He has also badly overstepped his boundaries on more than one occasion and "I see not reason why he wouldn't continue to do so."

I think you are wrong. At least I haven't seen any circumstance for this. He did sent out email to the 11/5 list, but why wouldn't he. He was promoting the TeaParty.

Article in FNMM just shocked me, I guess and I couldn't really believe it, that is why I'm asking the forum here.

 

[steph3n]

I think you are wrong. At least I haven't seen any circumstance for this. He did sent out email to the 11/5 list, but why wouldn't he. He was promoting the TeaParty.

Article in FNMM just shocked me, I guess and I couldn't really believe it, that is why I'm asking the forum here.

FNMM has reported bogus crap many times, I'd throw baby powder all over their journalistic standards.

 

[AlexMerced]

wouldn't you want to throw something more vile like itching power or ovalteen

 

[FireofLiberty]

Seriously, though, this is FMNN. They aren't very reliable. I've been burned too many times by their reporting bad information to take anything they say as the gospel.

 

[steph3n]

wouldn't you want to throw something more vile like itching power or ovalteen

I am not violent baby powder or that nasty bleached flour maybe after a couple water balloons

 

[AlexMerced]

how about we teabag them!!! TEA PARTY!!!

 

[justinc.1089]

I don't get why you're being so critical of Trevor. The man has proven he is at least to some degree not power-hungry or anything like that by changing things that the grassroots asked to be changed.

Rememeber the whole Vendetta issue on the 5th? If I remember correctly Trevor was in favor of keeping the Vendetta videos on the site, but since some people including myself felt that was a bad idea he took them down.

I feel confident Trevor will listen to the grassroots and not do something the grassroots is collectively against.

And if he seeks out a political career of some type as a result of being given credit for Nov.5th in the media so what? Everyone needs a job. Personally I'm not sure I could work to help other typical politicians and sleep at night but I don't know his situation, and its his decision if he does make a career with that.

But I doubt thats the case.

 

[AlexMerced]

yeah, people started asking for a more centralized grassroots, and now that we have someone who kind of srves that roll, people get pissed it wasn't them. A void was there, and he filled it, and he did a good job it.

 

[paulitics]

This is not a bad idea. Essentially, I think we all need to consider forming a media company, to take on corruption. The old media has really betrayed the republic. I am not rich, but I would pay $50 a month to such company, as long as it is liberty related, and a counter to corruption. If we can get a couple thousand pledges for this, we can certainly start somehow. The appropriate conduits and channels for this, can be etched out, but this is something we need to consider.

 

[steph3n]

This is not a bad idea. Essentially, I think we all need to consider forming a media company, to take on corruption. The old media has really betrayed the republic. I am not rich, but I would pay $50 a month to such company, as long as it is liberty related, and a counter to corruption. If we can get a couple thousand pledges for this, we can certainly start somehow. The appropriate conduits and channels for this, can be etched out, but this is something we need to consider.

EXACTLY!!!

 

[freedominnumbers]

I'm thinking Ron Paul Republican talk radio programs.

I bet a lot (most) of us listen to talk radio.

 

[AlexMerced]

Trevor has been a great resource in helping us organize some of our biggest scale ideas, I rather not lose such a resource cause we alienated him, it'd be no better than the treatment of Ron paul by the republican party.

 

[voytechs]

This is not a bad idea. Essentially, I think we all need to consider forming a media company, to take on corruption. The old media has really betrayed the republic. I am not rich, but I would pay $50 a month to such company, as long as it is liberty related, and a counter to corruption. If we can get a couple thousand pledges for this, we can certainly start somehow. The appropriate conduits and channels for this, can be etched out, but this is something we need to consider.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=44981

 

[Chester Copperpot]

"Trevor Lyman Set up Ron Paul National Agency Biz?" - FMNN

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=52059

How did we get from an idea of forming a PAC to a for profit agency that relies on making money off of mailing lists and for other candidates?

I dont think Free Market News has been accurate about ANYTHING related to Ron Paul...

 

[Jodi]

If he can setup shop and make a living for himself out of it, more power to him. He seems like a skilled individual, and other candidates are rightly interested in him. I hope he is successful.

But we all know that you can't buy a grassroots campaign of the scope and scale Ron Paul has, and we know there was nothing Lyman himself did to make or break Novemeber 5th. He did very little to promote or market it himself, and there was nothing special about the website. I certainly appreciate his efforts, but it isn't as though his helping other candidates is giving away any of our secrets; we don't have secrets, we have people power.

And personally I will not submit my email address to another fundraising event unless there is a legally binding promise that my email address will not be sold or traded.

I think the idea is a good one. I believe there are a bunch of us in the grassroots that are likely to get into politics after this election and that may be what the motive is.