Is this "Blowback" or pure Hate??

[Deborah K]

Yet another reason why we need to secure our borders.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

how about some pure truth...what exactly have we done to them?

educate me !!

to begin with, in 1951 under American encouragement Iran democratically elected a Prime Minister. Problem was, it was Mohammad Mosaddeq who won the election and Eisenhower did not like that fact.

So in 1953 he had the CIA and the British MI6 overthrow him in a coup d'etat and install the Shah of Iran - a bloodthirsty dictator who murdered people just for fun.

Imagine if Kazakhstan were a world superpower and didn't like Ronald Reagan, so they sent their secret police in and got rid of Reagan and installed Mussolini because he was friendlier to their global agenda.

We'd be pretty pissed right?

That's just for starters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mosaddeq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

 

[pacelli]

This guy is not a product of blowback. This guy is a 100% certified kook. What is a product of blowback is that he actually has an audience.

What information did he provide that was inaccurate? You're saying 100% of what we see in that clip is a delusion?

 

[TechnoMage]

Good Job in avoiding the TRUTH!!

If it helps you sleep at night.

SO...YOUR AN APOLOGIST FOR KOOK JOBS LIKE THIS

I do not understand, are you saying that sadamn didn't build palaces, feed his army, buy military hardware while starving his own people? Iraq was never denied humanitarian aid so you are just going to have to come to grips with that.

Make sure you tell your "Blame America for everything crowd" that also!

 

[TechnoMage]

So in 1953 he had the CIA and the British MI6 overthrow him in a coup d'etat and install the Shah of Iran - a bloodthirsty dictator who murdered people just for fun.

and I suppose we told the shah to do that...right? so the shah is abdicated from any personal responsibility because we "installed" him?

and for that we deserve to all be anthraxed...right?

 

[TechnoMage]

A very bad analogy. It is in the nature of mosquitos to bite us, regardless of what we do.

and it is written in the koran to kill non-belivers in allah no matter what we do, say or think...period!

the analogy stands!

 

[silverhandorder]

How about invading Iraq and directly causing a million of their people to die.

 

[TechnoMage]

well, i certainly do not and did not agree with the invasion of iraq, but perhaps if these so-called fighters would not hide behind the skirts of their women and children the "civilian" casualties would not have been an issue.

are you not distingushing between militants and civilians to get to that 1 million number? i believe that it was well reported that alot of the fighters were foreigners, not native iraqis'. good job in not mentioning the murder that sadamn and his psychopatic sons were commiting on a daily basis...all in the name of allah i'm sure!

 

[sailor]

Ignorance is strength.

 

[V-rod]

Absolutely spot on. Michael Scheuer points out this in his book Through our enemies eyes, saying that Khomeini tried to persuade followers to attack the West for our values. It didn't happen. It was after we started getting involved over there that these nut burgers started getting an audience.

They are too busy attacking their own people for even glancing at "western values".

 

[idiom]

Where is the alarming? I am unalarmed.

 

[Objectivist]

You find that disturbing? I don't know why but he's one of the most ignorant people I've seen today.

 

[moostraks]

Blowback...

You know I think some need to walk a mile in their shoes and understand where the rage comes from. First off, we try to view everything through western values and through our personnal views of history. Second, there has been a feud going on that we are insistent upon negotiating that he appears to take great offense towards. Imagine that!!! Especially considering we aren't embracing his viewpoint in negotiating. So he is filled with rage you say???

People on this forum have been filled with rage towards our own government for its horrible policy decisions that effect us here. Pitchforks and torches, as well as comments of what will it take to finally anger people enough to rise up to defend their rights??? This is what that looks like in action. This is the anger that oppression (be it real or perceived from one's own limited viewpoint) draws out.

I find his viewpoint interesting that he sees the militia as he does, being a strictly kkk organization. Seems to me like someone has been reading the MIAC report.

 

[Todd]

well, i certainly do not and did not agree with the invasion of iraq, but perhaps if these so-called fighters would not hide behind the skirts of their women and children the "civilian" casualties would not have been an issue.

are you not distingushing between militants and civilians to get to that 1 million number? i believe that it was well reported that alot of the fighters were foreigners, not native iraqis'. good job in not mentioning the murder that sadamn and his psychopatic sons were commiting on a daily basis...all in the name of allah i'm sure!

I once thought the way you do. Then I discovered what options the weak have when fighting the strong. You can call them what you want, but do you know what it takes to win a guerilla war pal?
What do you think the weak should do against the all mighty with laser guided bombs and satellites? Put on their Iraqi ACU's and take on the American Army straight on with their cold war rocket launchers and AK's?

I'll guaran damn tee you that if we were attacked/invaded in this country by the Chinese or whomever, we would resort to those same tactics. And citizens not directly linked to actually fighting the invading force would provide other resources which would cause the community and insurgency to blend. And we would all hail our neighbors as "GREAT AMERICANS" too.

So, enough of the insurgents are cowards?

 

[bigronaldo]

and I suppose we told the shah to do that...right? so the shah is abdicated from any personal responsibility because we "installed" him?

and for that we deserve to all be anthraxed...right?

Hold on. No one here said we deserved any of that. You didn't ask us what we did to deserve to be anthraxed by some loon. You asked what we did for them to hate us. There's a difference. Hitler killed many people. That does not mean that all Germans deserved to be anthraxed.

In the eyes of many arabs, the United States has interfered and killed hundreds of thousands of muslims. They view our policies of interventionism as a threat. I don't subscribe to the "blame America first" crowd. I don't blame America for having too much freedom and I don't blame America for being open and tolerant, unlike Giuliani and Levin.

We involved ourselves in the middle east because we thought we were helping. Sincere as it was, they view it as a threat. And since they are not a country with power, they are reacting the only way they know how. No one here is making excuses for them. We are not saying they are justified. We are merely stating that it is more complex than them just being Muslim and hating our freedoms.

 

[sailor]

We involved ourselves in the middle east because we thought we were helping. Sincere as it was, they view it as a threat.

1. What is with the "we"? Were you in the government? There is no "we". The American people is no more complicit in this than it is in the massacre at Waco.

2. Naive. The US Empire isn`t there to be helpful. Nobody thought they were being helpful. Empires are about power.

 

[bigronaldo]

1. What is with the "we"? Were you in the government? There is no "we". The American people is no more complicit in this than it is in the massacre at Waco.

2. Naive. The US Empire isn`t there to be helpful. Nobody thought they were being helpful. Empires are about power.

You're absolutely right. But I doubt if you asked Eisenhower if we got involved in Iran for power he would agree. I'm not saying that's not true, but the "justification" was that we were there to help. Just like we attacked Saddam because he was a murderous dictator, despite the fact that we've killed more Iraqi civilians in this war than he ever did.

 

[sailor]

Just like we attacked Saddam because he was a murderous dictator, despite the fact that we've killed more Iraqi civilians in this war than he ever did.

If the US went after Saddam Hussein for being a murderous dictator why then did it help install or support tons of murderous dictators - including Saddam Hussein himself in the 80s?

 

[TechnoMage]

That guy in the video is a professor at kuwaiti university...now what!!!

 

[bigronaldo]

That guy in the video is a professor at kuwaiti university...now what!!!

A professor? Interesting, kinda like this guy. I guess there are crazies in universities all around the world.