Is there any way to persuade Paul to offer veep to Kucinich, and soon?

[Oddball]

I wouldn't want a socialist like Kucinich a heartbeat away from the presidency, if Thomas Jefferson himself was the nominee.

 

[MozoVote]

I hate replying to these threads because it bumps them. Please STOP the Kucinich talk! This is more annoying than the "Will Ron run 3rd Party" stuff. Arrrgghh

 

[RP4ME]

if pausl dies we come a socialist country with K as Veep

 

[dmspilot00]

I thought Paul supporters might be the reasonable ones, who can really discuss things. I didn't realize that you all had so much in common with redstate after all. The "I don't want to talk about it" attitude is childish.

...Saying "this should be deleted, we can't talk about it" when it was a discussion asked sincerely, in a polite manner, and only because it seems to me that it might help his campaign... that's just low...

Kucinich and Paul are from completely opposing ideologies. Saying that they should run together is ridiculous and would go against everything each of them stands for. As far as calling us childish for not talking about it, that is also ridiculous because this is a dead horse that has been beaten over and over again; we have talked about it ad nauseum, and we want people to stop brining it up and starting new threads about it.

 

[NoMoreNicksLeft]

if pausl dies we come a socialist country with K as Veep

That would depend. What if it's 7 years in, and Kucinich only has a year anyway? What then? What if by that time, he's seen the light? If Ron Paul's ideas really do work (and I think they will), then by that time they'd be obvious that they did.

Maybe someone like Hillary would be weasel-ly at that point and still want to do the socialist thing (and not because they want to help people, just to enslave them), but someone who's honest and (currently) misguided might really change their mind.

Besides which, there aren't alot of options. If Paul were struck by lightning tomorrow, do you think the GOP will field another candidate that has a chance against the democrats? There will be a socialist then. We may get a socialist president anyway. I think Paul has a good shot at this, but it'd be delusional to think that no other "socialists" do.

If he will only accept a VP that is ideologically pure, can it be any sort of name we've even heard of? He needs every edge, and choosing a noname VP might contribute to a socialist winning. And I sure as hell don't want him picking Huckabee or something... that really would be compromising his principles.

In the end, a socialist may be impossible to avoid. That being the case, let's pick one that's honest enough that we have a chance of converting him. It's not like it's necessarily all their fault, they're not cravenly deluded... no one has seen an example of Paul's policies in action in a long long time.

 

[NoMoreNicksLeft]

Kucinich and Paul are from completely opposing ideologies. Saying that they should run together is ridiculous and would go against everything each of them stands for.

No. You can certainly make the case for Paul, and you might be right (I can't read Paul's mind).

But Kucinich has already hinted that it doesn't go against everything he believes in. And I'm not imagining that he did, it was quite obvious.

What else is it? Ron Paul has many supporters, millions I think, if not edging close to tens of millions. Not all of us were there the first time it was discussed. And we couldn't be. It is the nature of these conversations that there are many echoes, and your attitude when taken to its logical conclusion is the same as some small core of "inner party" members who act as if they don't need the rest. That is what the larger GOP is about right now, it is what the democratic party is right now. By itself it's a good reason that none of their candidates should ever be president. It is a good thing that I'm voting for Paul, and not some of his supporters, because were that the case I would simply not bother to show up.

Given any length of time for Paul's policies to start fixing things, many of the honest socialists will need to reconsider their philosophy. But by that time Paul will already have been in office. I think Kucinich is one of those that would reconsider, and I think he can help Paul get nominated and elected if he is on the ticket. Those who just vote GOP will vote for him anyway in the general election, and those that just vote democrat normally... who are they going to vote for? Hillary, who might as well be GOP herself for all the warmongering and graft, or someone who thinks enough of Kucinich to at least include him in what ends up being an advisory role?

 

[jmarinara]

I have said it once and I'll continue to say it. . .

If Paul picks a socialist like Kucinich as a VP candidate, not only will Paul expose himself as a true phony, but he will lose the support of conservatives like myself.

I'll contact the campaign on that awful day and ask for my donations back.

Kucinich is, like all socialists, completely unamerican, moronic, and immoral. I have had it up to here with there garbage.

 

[steph3n]

If it were accepted, and if Kucinich would fold his own campaign, there are several primaries where democrats could switch last minute. He'd pick up another 3-5% in some of them. Maybe even more if they believed that having Kucinich on board would temper/balance some of his views.

Paul's never said that he'd not do this, though my impression was that he's at best lukewarm to the idea.

Is this even being considered? Is it impossible? Do other supporters not like the idea of Kucinich being veep?

NO NO NO NO NO NO he will not do it and he'd lose my vote IMMEDIATELY

 

[NoMoreNicksLeft]

I have said it once and I'll continue to say it. . .

If Paul picks a socialist like Kucinich as a VP candidate, not only will Paul expose himself as a true phony, but he will lose the support of conservatives like myself.

I'll contact the campaign on that awful day and ask for my donations back.

Kucinich is, like all socialists, completely unamerican, moronic, and immoral. I have had it up to here with there garbage.

So, it really is about one group or minority fighting for power, and once it gets it, excluding all others and dismissing their concerns?

If I have a concern and it is in error, I deserve to be heard and be given an explanation. It is wrong for someone to tell me "You are wrong, we are not discussing it, and nothing will be done." Even if I am really wrong.

Some socialists are no doubt unamerican or moronic or immoral, or even all three. But you don't give them any respect as people at all apparently, and fail to take into account what might lead them to that.

Our country has been broken for a very long time. Fundamentally broken. With no current examples of how things could be, only those gifted with imagination and vision might figure things out correctly. Those that don't have those gifts are neither moronic or unamerican, they're just misguided. Some, once they see how things really can work, WILL figure it out. Not all. But many will. With the sad state that things are in, it's a wonder anyone at all does understand... and little surprise that only someone Paul's age could understand how things once were.

I have little doubt that all the past "conversations" about this amount to the same thing... people posting pithy little one-liners and complaining that they don't want to talk about it anymore, and that no matter how far I'd go back, none of them will have ever really discussed it.

 

[FreeTraveler]

STOP REPLYING!

It's OBVIOUS that NoMoreNicksLeft is either totally failing to understand Dr. Paul's message, which is LIBERTY and CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT, or he's a troll. I really don't care which; the end result either way is that he's wasting a lot of good supporters time, because they are trying to make him "see the light".

There are MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE uses of your time. Even reading something from the Ron Paul Library would be more productive. Find a worthwhile thread, and let this one die!

 

[loupeznik]

http://reason.com/blog/show/123670.html

"Adding to the list of improbabilities this man of vision sees, it's ain't just UFOs--it's Ron Paul as his running mate. Paul spokesman Jesse Benton tosses some cold water:

"Dr. Paul and Rep. Kucinich are friends and there is a lot of mutual respect," Paul communications director Jesse Benton said in an e-mail when asked whether a running-mate spot on the Kucinich ticket would be attractive to Paul. "They have worked, and will continue to work, together on the ending the war and protecting civil liberties.

"However, Ron wants to substantially cut the size and scope of the federal government. There are too many differences on issues such as taxes and spending to think a joint ticket would be possible.""

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

What if it's 7 years in, and Kucinich only has a year anyway? What then? What if by that time, he's seen the light? If Ron Paul's ideas really do work (and I think they will), then by that time they'd be obvious that they did.

You think facts persuade socialists? History and human nature proves that large scale socialism doesn't work and yet they persist in implementing it.

The VP's job is to take over if the Prez is unable to serve. You want them to be philosophically aligned. The people vote on a platform and they don't want to take the chance on a change mid-term.

 

[NoMoreNicksLeft]

NO NO NO NO NO NO he will not do it and he'd lose my vote IMMEDIATELY

And why? Why would he lose it? Do you think it would be part of some hidden agenda, and that it would be he's about to ban guns, or levy a 90% income tax and turn us into Cuba?

Do you think he'd start agreeing with everything Kucinich said, period? Hell, do you think he'd start agreeing with even 20% of it?

Apparently everyone but me wants a symbol. I want a man that will fix things. Screw symbolism. If that's all he is, he's not worth voting for.

This is bizarre. Maybe I was wrong about him. Certainly if he's like his supporters. When I keep reading articles about stormfront supporting him, and see the blatant smears by Carlson bringing in prostitutes, I told myself that it does not matter one bit because he has no control over his supporters, and I could easily find similar with every candidate ever. I kept thinking, the man is smart, he understands what is happening and what is broken, and if we can get him into office he'll fix it. But how can that be when no one else who supports him acts intelligently?

I've said things much less controversial than this, and heard naysayers here. 2 weeks ago, I was talking about how the teaparty thing was going to be good, but that we needed to be raising money for him all along, and heard countless "no, save it all for Dec. 16". Lo and behold, the campaign comes out says later and says the same thing. If you're not thinking things through, how can any of you help him? And how can you think things through if you're refusing to think about it and posting "NO NO NO NO NO..." drivel.

 

[steph3n]

And why? Why would he lose it? Do you think it would be part of some hidden agenda, and that it would be he's about to ban guns, or levy a 90% income tax and turn us into Cuba?

Do you think he'd start agreeing with everything Kucinich said, period? Hell, do you think he'd start agreeing with even 20% of it?

Apparently everyone but me wants a symbol. I want a man that will fix things. Screw symbolism. If that's all he is, he's not worth voting for.

This is bizarre. Maybe I was wrong about him. Certainly if he's like his supporters. When I keep reading articles about stormfront supporting him, and see the blatant smears by Carlson bringing in prostitutes, I told myself that it does not matter one bit because he has no control over his supporters, and I could easily find similar with every candidate ever. I kept thinking, the man is smart, he understands what is happening and what is broken, and if we can get him into office he'll fix it. But how can that be when no one else who supports him acts intelligently?

I've said things much less controversial than this, and heard naysayers here. 2 weeks ago, I was talking about how the teaparty thing was going to be good, but that we needed to be raising money for him all along, and heard countless "no, save it all for Dec. 16". Lo and behold, the campaign comes out says later and says the same thing. If you're not thinking things through, how can any of you help him? And how can you think things through if you're refusing to think about it and posting "NO NO NO NO NO..." drivel.

I despise EVERY domestic agenda that Kucinich supports, he has an afront to civil liberties that sounds good but the government programs he wants is a direct violation of said civil liberties!

 

[Original_Intent]

Wow. I think this is the worst idea ever. and that takes some doing.

 

[NoMoreNicksLeft]

You think facts persuade socialists? History and human nature proves that large scale socialism doesn't work and yet they persist in implementing it.

The VP's job is to take over if the Prez is unable to serve. You want them to be philosophically aligned. The people vote on a platform and they don't want to take the chance on a change mid-term.

I think that some can be persuaded. I think that some have to be persuaded... if they are not, and they catch wind of what people like yourself think, then they will work to make sure he does not win. And they will succeed. You're picking a large group of people, and telling them that not only are they wrong, they can never, ever, ever be right. That there is something deficient in them, that can never be repaired. Even if they change their minds, people like you will hound them forever afterward, turning them into second class citizens.

History may or may not prove socialism works. I do not know. I am certain that it does not work, but proof is another thing entirely. One thing is for certain though, recent history has only shown us things that do not work, whatever they are. They may indeed be desperate to try any experiment to fix things, even those that are unwise. If you are desperate (and I sure am), then you're not thinking clearly.

Given a chance, Paul will make them not desperate. They'll have a chance to think clearly again. That is, unless the attitudes of people like yourself sabotage Paul before he gets his chance.

 

[loupeznik]

When I keep reading articles about stormfront supporting him, and see the blatant smears by Carlson bringing in prostitutes, I told myself that it does not matter one bit because he has no control over his supporters, and I could easily find similar with every candidate ever.

Kucinich is black?!?! Well then count me out too

 

[noztnac]

About the only way for Ron Paul to lose my vote would be to pick Kucinich as his VP.

 

[tamor]

Besides all that has been mentioned, choosing a VP needs to bring strength to the party's ticket. I see Dr. Paul growing in strength -- I do NOT see Kucinich doing that. I believe he would be more of a detriment than a strength. No No No to Kucinich.

 

[donnay]

Kucinich is a socialists. Honestly, Ron Paul is a brilliant man. I think it is an insult to even speculate that Ron Paul would consider Kucinich as a VP.