Is the Personhood Movement Really Pro Life?

[PierzStyx]

morality isn't per se liberalism, but failure to think about costs and insisting on your ideals is a unique characteristic of liberals and socialists.

Liberals support free and unregulated abortions for those who want them, they don't want to kill babies against parents' will, do they?

Do the "3 great liberties" end at the national border?

When a child is born, liberals fight to have these children, fed, clothed, drugged, educated...etc, against the will of either parents or taxpayers. All of these cost more than abortions. Liberals are fiscally irresponsible, so if somebody wants to be fiscally irresponsible, what should we call them? are they any better than liberals?

Ideals are the only things that are ultimately important. Ideals are the only reason that people do anything. This is why education is important. One has to have the right ideals to protect liberty. And insisting on principled leadership who uphold the ideals of liberty is what we should all be looking forward to in political leadership. The problem for far to long has been this pragmatic view that someone is acceptable as long as they aren't as bad as the other guy. Voting for the lesser evil still gets you evil.

And free and unregulated abortions being according to the parent's will is irrelevant. The child being murdered has a right to life, the ultimate right as all other rights flow from it, and whatever right the parents may have to an abortion ends at the moment they aggressively act to end the growing life of the unborn human. It is the aggression principle that is important to understand. Abortion is an aggressive act against the weakest of those unable to defend themselves. Go read the Abortion section in Liberty Defined. Doctor Paul explains it very well.

Whether liberals are fiscal responsibility is irrelevant. Just because liberals are wrong about welfare doesn't justify abortion. Both are wrong.

 

[PierzStyx]

morality isn't per se liberalism, but failure to think about costs and insisting on your ideals is a unique characteristic of liberals and socialists.

Liberals support free and unregulated abortions for those who want them, they don't want to kill babies against parents' will, do they?

Do the "3 great liberties" end at the national border?

When a child is born, liberals fight to have these children, fed, clothed, drugged, educated...etc, against the will of either parents or taxpayers. All of these cost more than abortions. Liberals are fiscally irresponsible, so if somebody wants to be fiscally irresponsible, what should we call them? are they any better than liberals?

Ideals are the only things that are ultimately important. Ideals are the only reason that people do anything. This is why education is important. One has to have the right ideals to protect liberty. And insisting on principled leadership who uphold the ideals of liberty is what we should all be looking forward to in political leadership. The problem for far to long has been this pragmatic view that someone is acceptable as long as they aren't as bad as the other guy. Voting for the lesser evil still gets you evil.

And free and unregulated abortions being according to the parent's will is irrelevant. The child being murdered has a right to life, the ultimate right as all other rights flow from it, and whatever right the parents may have to an abortion ends at the moment they aggressively act to end the growing life of the unborn human. It is the aggression principle that is important to understand. Abortion is an aggressive act against the weakest of those unable to defend themselves. Go read the Abortion section in Liberty Defined. Doctor Paul explains it very well.

Whether liberals are fiscal responsibility is irrelevant. Just because liberals are wrong about welfare doesn't justify abortion. Both are wrong.

 

[liberdom]

Whether liberals are fiscal responsibility is irrelevant. Just because liberals are wrong about welfare doesn't justify abortion. Both are wrong.

But whether you are wrong about abortion, welfare, and fiscal responsibility is not irrelevant. I am not using the label liberal to tell you it's wrong, I am telling you it's wrong.

 

[jmdrake]

But whether you are wrong about abortion, welfare, and fiscal responsibility is not irrelevant. I am not using the label liberal to tell you it's wrong, I am telling you it's wrong.

And your opinion means what exactly? Abortion itself is anti liberty and stupid economics. The worth of the individual cannot be accurately measured by the cost for him to come to adulthood. There are probably quite a few women dying penniless and alone in a nursing home that wish they hadn't aborted that child years ago. You've provided no actual evidence for your opinion (and the historical economic data post Roe v. Wade goes against your opinion) but you incessantly raise it as if it means something. It doesn't. Hold on to it if you must but know that no one actually respects it. Not without something other than your own weak words to back it up.

 

[Tankbot85]

Where do you draw the line? Should I be able to "abort" my 6 year old?

This has to be the stupidest question i have ever read on any forum that i visit.

There is a difference between a clump of cells in a woman and a 6 year old child.