Is the new Arizona illegal immigration law a good way to reduce illegal immigration?

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Is the New Arizona illegal immigration law a good way to reduce illegal immigration?

Setting aside that we all know it's their right to enact the law- Is it a good law?
 
Sands2 said:
Is the New Arizona illegal immigration law a good way to reduce illegal immigration?

Setting aside that we all know it's their right to enact the law- Is it a good law?
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What if I have no papers? What do they do with me? Where do they send me? Or is it just indefinite detention? GITMO?
 
It's a Back door to Real ID.
It will do nothing as far as immigration.
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Sands2 said:
Setting aside that we all know it's their right to enact the law
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* Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

* Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.

No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

* Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
 
REDNECK WOMAN said:
I dont need one, they just need to get all illegals out!!!! what's the need for a tattoo if they ship them back to where they came from?
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Are you that thick to think that they're only wanting the Mexicans? Don't forget there are WHITE Mexicans too. You as a supporter of "Liberty" is on the list as well. They are getting their foot in the door to bring in the next steps of tyranny. First its the illegal aliens, then its the domestic terrorists. Thats YOU! Papers please!!
 
If the Feds would do their job AZ wouldn't have passed the Bill!!!! 70% for the bill in AZ. Would you like to worry about your family being kidnapped or killed by a drunk Mexican driving the wrong way on the freeway that can't read ENGLISH? As soon as they kill an American they go running back over the border. This happens all over the US and something needs to be done!!! AZ has the right to protect their State and the Citizens. All they need to do is ask for papers from them showing they are legally here in this Country, so we don't need a REAL ID. Close our Borders period!!! If they can show they are legally here, paying taxes,speak ENGLISH and not living off welfare then I have no problem with them being here.
 
REDNECK WOMAN said:
If the Feds would do their job AZ wouldn't have passed the Bill!!!! 70% for the bill in AZ. Would you like to worry about your family being kidnapped or killed by a drunk Mexican driving the wrong way on the freeway that can't read ENGLISH? As soon as they kill an American they go running back over the border. This happens all over the US and something needs to be done!!! AZ has the right to protect their State and the Citizens. All they need to do is ask for papers from them showing they are legally here in this Country, so we don't need a REAL ID. Close our Borders period!!! If they can show they are legally here, paying taxes,speak ENGLISH and not living off welfare then I have no problem with them being here.
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Should we give all the legal ones a star to wear at all times, or should we just go ahead and line them up and direct them to the showers?

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This law is the wrong way to deal with illegal immigration, because it violates the 4th amendment rights of all US citizens.

Obama is right to condemn it, but he is wrong for not pushing the federal government and states to be doing what they should be doing to combat illegal immigration.

I am looking forward to hearing Ron Paul's thoughts on this issue.
 
This is a tricky subject. I am vehemently anti-illegal immigration, and they obviously have big problems in AZ with crime directly related to illegal aliens. It is a state's right to govern itself, which Arizona has done by passing this law. The Federal government has done just about nothing to close the borders, nor have they shown any willingness to do so.

The fact does remain that this law is probably unconstitutional and clearly vilolates the 4th amendment among others. As much as I like AZ taking this matter into thier own hands, I can't say I like the law. I am glad that AZ is standing up for itself, unfortunately thier legislators know as much about our consitution as the legislators in Washington.
 
REDNECK WOMAN said:
I dont need one, they just need to get all illegals out!!!! what's the need for a tattoo if they ship them back to where they came from?
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Do you know how the state of Texas, and pretty much the whole south became US Territories and States? In fact, why not throw the whole United States?
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Property owners should say who can and who can not enter their property, they alone should set the rules. Since the government claims ownership of all property of its citizens and in turn grants limited privileges to the managers of their property, we find ourselves with open poorly manged borders.

Strict property rights are the only solution. Those who own the property say who can and can not be there.

Can any one envision the government managing the borders of each family house hold and stating that anyone can claim to live at your house as long as they go through the proper government procedure? You can see the ridiculousness of it.

What you have now is politicians opening everyone's property up for everyone else to use, which is communal and chaotic in control. This is the cause of the problem - everyone thinks they have a right to control everyone's property.

Public property is inherently conflictual as it is owned by all and controlled by a privileged few.
 
JeNNiF00F00 said:
Should we give all the legal ones a star to wear at all times, or should we just go ahead and line them up and direct them to the showers?

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Where in the post did I write that we need a star, stand in the shower or real ID? If our Feds and Gov would do their job and send all illegals back we wouldn't have this problem. Therefore how would that cause us to have the real ID? Just simply ask for Illegals to produce ID, legal paper work, etc. and employer's to do a back ground check. If they find they are here illegally then turn them in to the police and deport.

Here in NC everyday we have Illgals killing American's. Here a few examlpe.s
Cesar Laurean
Cesar Armando Laurean
Born November 13, 1986 (1986-11-13) (age 23) [12]


Place of birth Mexico
Allegiance United States of America
Service/branch United States Marine Corps
Rank Corporal
Unit 2nd Marine Logistics Group[2]

Marine Corporal Cesar Laurean (SEH'-sahr LOHR'-ee-uhn), the 21 year old prime suspect in the case, was the man whom Lauterbach accused of sexually assaulting her.[13] A federal warrant for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution was issued for his arrest on January 12, 2008.[14] The Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service issued a wanted flier on him. There was also a $25,000 reward offered by the FBI and $5,000 from the state of North Carolina for information leading to his capture.[15] Onslow County has primary jurisdiction, but the Judge Advocate General's office may bring charges as well, to include but not limited to charges stemming from Laurean's deserter status.[16]

Shortly after the murder, the press reported that Laurean fled to Mexico, his country of birth.[17] Mexican officials issued an arrest warrant for Laurean as a suspect of killing his pregnant colleague, a U.S. Embassy official said on January 29, in Mexico City. Interpol also issued an international wanted notice for Laurean. [18] A cousin of the Corporal informed reporters that the Marine visited family in the area of Guadalajara, Mexico in late January 2008, but left without saying where he was headed.[19]America's Most Wanted featured this story on their April 5, 2008 episode.

On April 10, 2008, the FBI announced that Cesar Laurean had been apprehended in Tacambaro, Michoacan, Mexico. [20] The popular press indicated that his extradition might involve at least two years of legal proceedings, considering the relationship between the United States and Mexico. In September 2008, Onslow County District Attorney Dewey Hudson agreed not to seek the death penalty, and a Mexican judge agreed to extradite Laurean.

However, in October 2008, Laurean launched another appeal to the Mexican courts to prevent his extradition, arguing that North Carolina's life-without-parole sentence for first-degree murder is not only barred under the countries' extradition treaty but is considered cruel and unusual punishment. (In North Carolina, a person convicted of first-degree murder can only be sentenced to death or life without parole.)[21] On April 17, 2009, the FBI announced that Laurean had been extradited to the United States and was being held in the Onslow County jail.[22] In December, an Onslow County judge agreed that the trial should be moved to a different county due to the extensive media coverage on the case, and scheduled it to begin on June 28, 2010.[23] In January 2010, Wayne County was selected.[24]

In 2009, Mary Lauterbach filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Caesar and his wife Christina, accusing them of conspiring to conceal the murder.[25]


Family of 4 murdered in Catawba County
Posted: Mar 12, 2009 9:45 AM EDT
Updated: Mar 19, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
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Family murdered: latest on investigation CONOVER, NC (WBTV) - A man whose wife and three children were found slain in their North Carolina home hasn't been able to eat since learning of their deaths on Thursday.

That's according to family friend Mai Cai who lives next door to the family in the Millstone community.

The friend says Brian Tzeo believes he has no reason to live since he learned his wife, two daughters and son were killed Thursday morning while he was working at International Paper in Statesville.

Some of the victims were found shot and some were stabbed to death in their home near Conover, about 40 miles northwest of Charlotte.

A witness told authorities she'd picked up the 17-year-old daughter for school, but returned to the home after telling her of seeing a suspicious man near the house.

When they returned, the teen opened the front door and was pulled into the house by the same unidentified man.

According to family members, the murder victims include Lisa Saephan and her children, 3-year-old Cody Saechao, 17-year-old Pauline Schao, and 20-year-old Melanie Saephan.

Authorities are still looking for the murder suspect. He is described as a male of Asian or Hispanic descent. They released a composite sketch of the suspect Friday afternoon.

He is in 30's to 40's. He was last seen in a black or dark blue Toyota or Honda sedan with a partial plate "P-24."

The SBI is assisting the Catawba County Sheriff's Department with the investigation.

Below is a link to a example of illegals killing American Families and loved ones and leaving the country. Now you tell me that nothing needs to be done.

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_traffic_accidents.html
 
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