Is the new Arizona illegal immigration law a good way to reduce illegal immigration?

Where in the post did I write that we need a star, stand in the shower or real ID? If our Feds and Gov would do their job and send all illegals back we wouldn't have this problem. Therefore how would that cause us to have the real ID? Just simply ask for Illegals to produce ID, legal paper work, etc. and employer's to do a back ground check. If they find they are here illegally then turn them in to the police and deport.
Did you watch the video posted? What part about American Citizens being harassed and detained don't you understand?

YouTube - 4409 -- Arrested over Arizona's Real I.D. Paper's Please SB1070 bill

Or this one.

YouTube - Baptist pastor beaten + tazed by Border patrol - 11 stitches
 
Did you watch the video posted? What part about American Citizens being harassed and detained don't you understand?

YouTube - 4409 -- Arrested over Arizona's Real I.D. Paper's Please SB1070 bill

Or this one.

YouTube - Baptist pastor beaten + tazed by Border patrol - 11 stitches

I feel bad for the guy and that was uncalled for however the last names of the Border Patrol sounds like they maybe Mexican Americans ( which hates us, they are just using our system). As Americans we already have a SS# drivers licence and Birth Cert showing we be long here legally. I bet most Illegals can't prove that and if that can't send them back. Therefore we don't need no real ID. I hope an illegal doesn't kill one of your family memeber's and then flee the Country. Then you get no justice!!!!1
 
Setting aside that we all know it's their right to enact the law

We do?

Where does one group of people (the government of Arizona) get the right to impose a law on another group of people (everyone else in Arizona)?

Do I also have a right to impose laws on you?
 
As Americans we already have a SS# drivers licence and Birth Cert showing we be long here legally.

And you're ok with all that? We all have to get these papers showing that we're here legally, and if we don't, then it's ok for someone else to kick us off our own land?
 
I feel bad for the guy and that was uncalled for however the last names of the Border Patrol sounds like they maybe Mexican Americans ( which hates us, they are just using our system). As Americans we already have a SS# drivers licence and Birth Cert showing we be long here legally. I bet most Illegals can't prove that and if that can't send them back. Therefore we don't need no real ID. I hope an illegal doesn't kill one of your family memeber's and then flee the Country. Then you get no justice!!!!1

You're living up to the stereotype, that's for sure.

So you want to walk around with your SS card (actually, you're not supposed to do that, for fear that it will be stolen), driver's license (hopefully you drive... if not... tough luck!), and birth certificate, even if you're out for a jog. Of course, all of these documents are readily available for a price or could be forged, or obtained via forged documents (real license... fake birth certificate).

The strawman of someone killing a family member is nonsense. There are certainly a lot of areas of the country where blacks or whites are statistically likely to rape or murder or molest you and yours. Where are the calls for getting rid of "them"?

Oh and Gomez and Diaz and Griffiths are Mexican last names exclusively? Hmm. That's not true, but don't let that stop you.
 
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Is the New Arizona illegal immigration law a good way to reduce illegal immigration?

Yes, I take it you meant effective.

Setting aside that we all know it's their right to enact the law- Is it a good law?

No.


The police as well as any citizen has a good idea as to who is illegal or not. Hang around the parking lot of a Home Depot or follow a landscaping truck and 9 times out of 10 you got yourself an illegal immigrant. So yes, if the intention is to route out and deport illegals (productive or not) it will be effective.

The problem is the fact that cops can arrest a legal citizen who fails to show their papers on suspicion. It has already happened as seen on the 4409 video. I like all the other provisions in the bill except for this one, which has been getting all the publicity.

Whats funny and ironic is that Obama thinks this is irresponsible, when Arizona is using the the Federal law to justify the means by which these illegals are being arrested. Arizona is essentially saying put up or shut up.
 
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Immigration is such a viscous topic these days due to high unemployment from this depression. High unemployment is due to minimum wage laws and union coercion to raise wages by threats and extortion. Unions are granted these powers by government and government pays for all of its mistakes by printing new money and causing inflation. Inflation is responsible for the booms and busts (unemployment due to mal- investment being liquidated). To stop the right thing from happening everyone calls for more inflation, more regulations, more protectionism. They become desperate to rekindle the boom times.

Much like heroin addicts trying to stop the addiction with another hit.

Whats the solution that this thread provides? Get a gang of thugs and start kidnapping people out who are deemed to be stealing 'our jobs'. Hog tie, drug, assault and steal their property then kick them out. First it will be the Mexicans, then the Arabs, then the Iranians...Whats more some of those kidnapped would be productive upstanding citizens who are contributing to the wealth of society.

Not long after, if there are still too many people and not enough jobs, then Americans will be drafted (enslaved) and thrown over seas to die; fighting concocted hobgoblins.


It's like saying to yourself dictators, gangs and thugs are evil and unjust, but, if they must exist, they are tolerable when they are enacting my plan, and only then is it OK.

 
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You do realize this is a Ron Paul forum... Just sayin.

And you do realize that Ron Paul isn't a proponent of open borders.....just sayin.

The open borders people and the anarchists should recognize that there are Republicans in the group who want the fucking borders enforced, and are happy to see a governor with enough spine to actually try to do something.

They can stomp their feet, bitch about racism, and whine endlessly about natural law, and they won't be saying anything I haven't heard before.

End the welfare state and I'll happily join the open borders lobby. Until then, I support the governor's position here.
 
And you do realize that Ron Paul isn't a proponent of open borders.....just sayin.

The open borders people and the anarchists should recognize that there are Republicans in the group who want the fucking borders enforced, and are happy to see a governor with enough spine to actually try to do something.

They can stomp their feet, bitch about racism, and whine endlessly about natural law, and they won't be saying anything I haven't heard before.

End the welfare state and I'll happily join the open borders lobby. Until then, I support the governor's position here.


It has nothing to do with "open boarders". This has to do with how things are being done. When you give govt an inch they take a mile. This is a backdoor way of getting everyone tagged. Just wait. Its like the Patriot Act....for our own protections right? And I agree with you about the welfare state. This is why we must end it. When that happens, the ones wanting to leach off of us will go home. The ones wanting to actually have a take at the American Dream and become productive members of society will stay and flourish.
 
And you do realize that Ron Paul isn't a proponent of open borders.....just sayin.

The open borders people and the anarchists should recognize that there are Republicans in the group who want the fucking borders enforced, and are happy to see a governor with enough spine to actually try to do something.

They can stomp their feet, bitch about racism, and whine endlessly about natural law, and they won't be saying anything I haven't heard before.

End the welfare state and I'll happily join the open borders lobby. Until then, I support the governor's position here.

^This!
 
"...there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently. My approach to immigration is somewhat different than the others. Mine is you deal with it economically We’re in worse shape now because we subsidize immigration. We give food stamps, Social Security, free medical care, free education and amnesty. So you subsidize it, and you have a mess. Conditions have changed. And I think this means that we should look at immigration differently. It’s an economic issue more than anything. If our economy was in good health, I don’t think there’d be an immigration problem. We’d be looking for workers and we would be very generous. "- Ron Paul
 
Is the New Arizona illegal immigration law a good way to reduce illegal immigration?

Setting aside that we all know it's their right to enact the law- Is it a good law?

Its not their right to enact such a law. If a man born in the political designation called Mexico migrates to my neighborhood and i rent out my private property to him, he is now a legal resident of MY premises. Exactly when did my neighbors, the busy bodies in DC, or the racists in the state capitol get to tell me who can live in my house?

Where did they get the authority? When did I consent to this power of theirs? Wasn't I born a free man. Are we not all equal in the eyes of God? Who says a man who never hurt any one must prove when demanded what piece of dirt he was born on? WHO REALLY CAN RECALL WHERE THEY WERE BORN?

Seriously, entities like "The State of Arizona" are just concepts. "Arizona" has no rights. Individuals do...
 
And you do realize that Ron Paul isn't a proponent of open borders.....just sayin.

The open borders people and the anarchists should recognize that there are Republicans in the group who want the fucking borders enforced, and are happy to see a governor with enough spine to actually try to do something.

They can stomp their feet, bitch about racism, and whine endlessly about natural law, and they won't be saying anything I haven't heard before.

End the welfare state and I'll happily join the open borders lobby. Until then, I support the governor's position here.
Ron Paul is not a fan of people that comprimise their principles for short term interests. Ron Paul is not a fan of "good idea" laws that only complicate the issue and serve those who can't see past whats in front of them. This is you. Just sayin.

P.S. If you think this is about the "open borders lobby" you really shouldn't be commenting. You are absolutely clueless. You just need to accept the fact that different groups can have overlapping opinions...but with differing motives.
 
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"...there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently. My approach to immigration is somewhat different than the others. Mine is you deal with it economically We’re in worse shape now because we subsidize immigration. We give food stamps, Social Security, free medical care, free education and amnesty. So you subsidize it, and you have a mess. Conditions have changed. And I think this means that we should look at immigration differently. It’s an economic issue more than anything. If our economy was in good health, I don’t think there’d be an immigration problem. We’d be looking for workers and we would be very generous. "- Ron Paul
Small point, but illegal aliens are not elgible for Social Security. It is the individual states offering free food stamps and education. On general principles he is correct though. But even that won't stop people from coming here looking for work or a better life than the one they have.
 
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